Judge blocks parts of Arizona immigration law

We have a civil rights crisis in our hands due to many years of federal inaction on immigration.

SB 1070 essentially would have codified racial profiling, and has led to copycat proposals across the country which will all be struck down.
 
Jarod said:
The portions that require emmigrants to carry documentation and the portions that require police to determine immigration status if they "suspect" a person to be in the country illegally.
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That's rubbish, that is a requirement of Federal law. All legal immigrants are required to carry that identification at all times. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Thorn could tell you, she is required to have those things with her and is required to show them if she is asked.

As a lawyer you should know the restrictions of "reasonable suspicion" and understand it has nothing to do with the "examples" given by those who want to make it about race.
 
WinterBorn said:
What you want is to have a porous border which allows anyone to wander into our country for any reason?
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We have that all ready and I don't exactly see the world coming to an end. I agree with Topper. It's a bunch of false outrage by those who have some sort of racial hang up about Mexicans. You dont' want them coming here looking for work illegally? Toss those who employ them asses in jail. We need neo-fascist militirization of our borders and immigration like we need a hole in our head. It may be popular with the red neck crowd but it's treating the symptom and not the problem. You can waste all the money you want on guns, soldiers and laws restricting our border with Mexico and you're not going to accomplish jack shit unless the underlying problem is addressed, those who employ illegals.

These idiotic measures are not only stupid and inefective and an utter waste of money and resources but the racist underpinning is also very unsettling and in the long run will do us more harm then good. We need less divisions in this country, not more.
 
Damocles said:
That's rubbish, that is a requirement of Federal law. All legal immigrants are required to carry that identification at all times. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Thorn could tell you, she is required to have those things with her and is required to show them if she is asked.
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Sorry Damo. That's not true. My wife is an immigrant and is under no such requirement. She can be called in by the authorities and requested to prove her residency status and she may be called upon to do so during some official civil function, such as, obtaining a drivers license, paying a traffic ticket, court procedure, etc, but she is not required to carry that identification with her at all times.
 
WinterBorn said:
I love hispanics who come here legally. I am also a huge fan of the culture they bring with them, from their family values to their artwork, to their culinary delights.

Why do you think they should be allowed to circumvent the laws we have in place?
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Why should those who employ them and attract them here with the lure of jobs be allowed to subvert our law? There the problem. Not these people.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
We have that all ready and I don't exactly see the world coming to an end. I agree with Topper. It's a bunch of false outrage by those who have some sort of racial hang up about Mexicans. You dont' want them coming here looking for work illegally? Toss those who employ them asses in jail. We need neo-fascist militirization of our borders and immigration like we need a hole in our head. It may be popular with the red neck crowd but it's treating the symptom and not the problem. You can waste all the money you want on guns, soldiers and laws restricting our border with Mexico and you're not going to accomplish jack shit unless the underlying problem is addressed, those who employ illegals.

These idiotic measures are not only stupid and inefective and an utter waste of money and resources but the racist underpinning is also very unsettling and in the long run will do us more harm then good. We need less divisions in this country, not more.
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The main question I asked was why do people insist on calling the law racist?
 
WinterBorn said:
I am still trying to see how the law is racist?

From Merriam Webster:

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈrā-ˌsi-zəm also -ˌshi-\
Function: noun
Date: 1933
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination




None of that applies to this law.
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I did not say it was racist, I said it was Unconstitutional.
 
SB1070 was racist. It opened the door for, and even mandated, racial profiling, and was passed as a result of the wholesale dehumanization of immigrants.

Do you know who drafted SB1070?
 
Damocles said:
That's rubbish, that is a requirement of Federal law. All legal immigrants are required to carry that identification at all times. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Thorn could tell you, she is required to have those things with her and is required to show them if she is asked.

As a lawyer you should know the restrictions of "reasonable suspicion" and understand it has nothing to do with the "examples" given by those who want to make it about race.
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I know what "reasonable suspicion" is, now tell me, in your opinion, what would amount to reasonable suspicion that a person is not in the country legally?
 
Under this law would the police be required to investigate if the person is of latin desent?
If the person lived close to the border?
If the person did not speak English?
If the person did not have a job?

Tell me, what leads to "reasonable suspision" of a person's status in the country?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Sorry Damo. That's not true. My wife is an immigrant and is under no such requirement. She can be called in by the authorities and requested to prove her residency status and she may be called upon to do so during some official civil function, such as, obtaining a drivers license, paying a traffic ticket, court procedure, etc, but she is not required to carry that identification with her at all times.
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I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Legal immigrants are required to carry their identification at all times.

8 United States Code Section 1304(e) requires legal immigrants to carry those papers, this law has been in effect since 1940.

Here is the wording:

8 USC 1304(e):
(e) Personal possession of registration or receipt card; penalties
Every alien, eighteen years of age and over, shall at all times
carry with him and have in his personal possession any certificate
of alien registration or alien registration receipt card issued to
him pursuant to subsection (d) of this section. Any alien who fails
to comply with the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of
a misdemeanor and shall upon conviction for each offense be fined
not to exceed $100 or be imprisoned not more than thirty days, or
both.

and

8 USC 1306(a):
a) Willful failure to register
Any alien required to apply for registration and to be
fingerprinted in the United States who willfully fails or refuses
to make such application or to be fingerprinted, and any parent or
legal guardian required to apply for the registration of any alien
who willfully fails or refuses to file application for the
registration of such alien shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and
shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not to exceed $1,000 or be
imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
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The Arizona law doesn't say they have to carry papers, it says if an alien "is in violation of" and lists this particular code.
 
You want to live in a place where racial profiling has become legal?

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has stated publicly that SB 1070 was a “racist law,” and said he would not comply with it.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Because it's inaffective political posturing designed to stir up racial tensions rather then address the real problems of this issue. I don't see the people here in Ohio beating the drums to protect our borders from Canada.
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The racial profiling may not be good, but it is also not inaccurate. The law would be racist if it singled out a race for reasons other than accurate ones.

The illegal immigration problem in AZ does not involve canadians, blacks or orientals. It involves almost exclusively hispanics. That is not racism.
 
Jarod said:
Under this law would the police be required to investigate if the person is of latin desent?
If the person lived close to the border?
If the person did not speak English?
If the person did not have a job?

Tell me, what leads to "reasonable suspision" of a person's status in the country?
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Actually the law specifically states that race cannot be used to form "reasonable suspicion"...

Read Section 2 of the law, then get back to me.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Because it's inaffective political posturing designed to stir up racial tensions rather then address the real problems of this issue. I don't see the people here in Ohio beating the drums to protect our borders from Canada.
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What it was designed to do was make sure illegals didn't stay around in AZ. It didn't stop them from coming in. It just harrassed them if they stayed locally.
 
Damocles said:
I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Legal immigrants are required to carry their identification at all times.

8 United States Code Section 1304(e) requires legal immigrants to carry those papers, this law has been in effect since 1940.

Here is the wording:



The Arizona law doesn't say they have to carry papers, it says if an alien "is in violation of" and lists this particular code.
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You are correct. I stand corrected.
 
WinterBorn said:
What it was designed to do was make sure illegals didn't stay around in AZ. It didn't stop them from coming in. It just harrassed them if they stayed locally.
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and what about Italian immigrants in Arizona? What about Chinese immigrants in AZ? or German Immigrants? or British Immigrants?
 
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