Why not Florida or Texas?

Jarod said:
Where is this link, I cant seem to find it. Not being sarcastic, I would like to view that.
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If you spent your day selling more replacement warranties and less time being a pain in the ass, your life might become a lot more productive.
And yes, you are being sarcastic.
 
Jarod said:
That link backs up numbers I never disputed, its the assertation that these numbers are higher in border states you mentioned, because the local officials cooperate there. I think its because there are more undocumented people there. I do not have a link, just logical to me.
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I think that their arrests are not controversial and therefore not newsworthy because the local authorities cooperate rather than obstruct their efforts. Yes, there are more because there are more there. My point was while there are many more encounters, they are rarely controversial or dangerous because local authorities aid their efforts. Including most arrests being affected at their jails who hold them at ICE requests and hand them over rather than releasing them into the public.

I shouldn't say "I think" though. I spent hours researching it. The reality is, it is far far safer for the public in states where the local authorities cooperate. Also, safer for illegals who are not criminals as they are not being caught in sweeps and included in deportations.
 
 
Damocles said:
I think that their arrests are not controversial and therefore not newsworthy because the local authorities cooperate rather than obstruct their efforts. Yes, there are more because there are more there. My point was while there are many more encounters, they are rarely controversial or dangerous because local authorities aid their efforts. Including most arrests being affected at their jails who hold them at ICE requests and hand them over rather than releasing them into the public.

I shouldn't say "I think" though. I spent hours researching it. The reality is, it is far far safer for the public in states where the local authorities cooperate. Also, safer for illegals who are not criminals as they are not being caught in sweeps and included in deportations.
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when you're writing this much its time to switch to swear words.

:truestory:

these people are not this stupid, they;re fucking liars.
 
gfm7175 said:
If that's the case, then why are leftists using their vehicles as weapons against ICE agents (giving Team Lion reason to invoke such an act)?
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Yeah, you see when one of you slanders that poor woman like you just did, all it does is demonstrate how cruel, dishonest and evil you are.

Just because that woman voted democrat was no reason to murder her.
 
Damocles said:
I think that their arrests are not controversial and therefore not newsworthy because the local authorities cooperate rather than obstruct their efforts. Yes, there are more because there are more there. My point was while there are many more encounters, they are rarely controversial or dangerous because local authorities aid their efforts. Including most arrests being affected at their jails who hold them at ICE requests and hand them over rather than releasing them into the public.

I shouldn't say "I think" though. I spent hours researching it. The reality is, it is far far safer for the public in states where the local authorities cooperate. Also, safer for illegals who are not criminals as they are not being caught in sweeps and included in deportations.
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Thank you for elaborating, you do make good points and now I understand your point of view. I don’t think it’s as simple as that, however.

ICE does not have to go door-to-door to find undocumented people. They don’t have to go up to randoms and ask for their papers. It would be very easy to find them if there are a lot of them.

I know exactly where a large group of undocumented people hang out right down the street from where I live. People pick them up and give them jobs, like daily labor jobs at specific places around here. It’s right out in the open, they are always 15 to 20 foreign people standing on specific corners. But this is Florida, so they don’t do anything about it.
 
Jarod said:
Thank you for elaborating, you do make good points and now I understand your point of view. I don’t think it’s as simple as that, however.

ICE does not have to go door-to-door to find undocumented people. They don’t have to go up to randoms and ask for their papers. It would be very easy to find them if there are a lot of them.

I know exactly where a large group of undocumented people hang out right down the street from where I live. People pick them up and give them jobs, like daily labor jobs at specific places around here. It’s right out in the open, they are always 15 to 20 foreign people standing on specific corners. But this is Florida, so they don’t do anything about it.
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You are mistaken in who ICE targets. They are searching for specific criminal actors. In states where they obstruct their efforts they have to do things like the sweeps, those include others that they also find during the sweep. If the state cooperates, they simply ask them to put a detainer on the person while they are in jail and upon release ICE Picks them up. None of the other illegals, like the guys down the street that just want a job that you know about, are included in a "sweep"... You should notice how unafraid they are of getting caught up in a sweep in a state that cooperates.

Since the state and local authorities do not cooperate, they wind up changing tactics and you get the dangerous cluster f*cks you see in MN, Portland, etc. It would better serve the people they are trying to protect if they would cooperate on the ones that they say they do not want to protect (they tell us they don't want to protect the criminals, but protect them they do), the criminal actors ICE is targeting to begin with. The sweeps do not happen, the guy just looking for a job is safe, unharried, and keeps working and living where he is.

The states that obstruct and harry ICE are causing the sweeps which then include the people they do not want targeted.
 
gfm7175 said:
You are only one person. Stop using the Marxist "We".

"State cooperation with ICE: As one might expect, states that mandate local collaboration with federal law enforcement often have higher levels of ICE arrests, with places like Tennessee, Florida, and Texas among the most extreme examples. To understand the impact of changes to immigration enforcement this year, our analysis compared arrests made between January 20 and May 20 to those made between May 21 and October 15. We found that Texas has the highest overall ICE arrests in this data, and their ICE arrest rate nearly doubled from the first to second period, from about 58 per 100,000 state residents to 110 per 100,000."

www.prisonpolicy.org

New ICE arrest data show the power of state and local governments to curtail mass deportations

Using fresh data on ICE arrests through mid-October from the Deportation Data Project, we examine how jails continue to facilitate mass deportation, spotlighting important opportunities ...
www.prisonpolicy.org www.prisonpolicy.org
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We are Legion.
 
Damocles said:
You are mistaken in who ICE targets. They are searching for specific criminal actors. In states where they obstruct their efforts they have to do things like the sweeps, those include others that they also find during the sweep. If the state cooperates, they simply ask them to put a detainer on the person while they are in jail and upon release ICE Picks them up. None of the other illegals, like the guys down the street that just want a job that you know about, are included in a "sweep"... You should notice how unafraid they are of getting caught up in a sweep in a state that cooperates.

Since the state and local authorities do not cooperate, they wind up changing tactics and you get the dangerous cluster f*cks you see in MN, Portland, etc. It would better serve the people they are trying to protect if they would cooperate on the ones that they say they do not want to protect (they tell us they don't want to protect the criminals, but protect them they do), the criminal actors ICE is targeting to begin with. The sweeps do not happen, the guy just looking for a job is safe, unharried, and keeps working and living where he is.

The states that obstruct and harry ICE are causing the sweeps which then include the people they do not want targeted.
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Tortured logic.
 
Jarod said:
Thank you for elaborating, you do make good points and now I understand your point of view. I don’t think it’s as simple as that, however.

ICE does not have to go door-to-door to find undocumented people. They don’t have to go up to randoms and ask for their papers. It would be very easy to find them if there are a lot of them.

I know exactly where a large group of undocumented people hang out right down the street from where I live. People pick them up and give them jobs, like daily labor jobs at specific places around here. It’s right out in the open, they are always 15 to 20 foreign people standing on specific corners. But this is Florida, so they don’t do anything about it.
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So you agree ICE is looking for violent criminals and not for most working guys. Now if ICE has to raid a home for a violent criminals and they encounter an illegal that has no history of a violent crime they will get arrested too.
 
Jarod said:
Tortured logic.
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It's pretty much a straight line, I do not believe you had a hard time following or even that you disagree. In fact I think you understand it clearly and you don't want a change in the activity of states that obstruct, you believe that it will help you politically, so you will support them regardless of the damage to the group the purport to want to "protect".
 
ICE has even been to my corner of Podunk, Oklahoma. Our favorite Mexican restaurant was closed for four days. I think they made two arrests in our area.
 
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