You Will Obey

[DamnYankee]

That's it...run away like the whiny little bitch we all knew you were.

You're just another petty coward who can't back up his ridiculous assertions, so you resort to lies and evasion.

You're too lazy to read the thread so you resort to petty insults. Nice job. Now get a real fucking job.

 

[zappasguitar]

You're too lazy to read the thread so you resort to petty insults. Nice job. Now get a real fucking job.

AWWWWWW...who's jealous he's not as gifted as Zappa?? Who's mad he's not a talented MF'er like Zappa is?

Shouldn't you be asking the next customer in line if he wants fries with that?

btw...I read the whole thread.

You can't back up your claims and that is why you continue to run away.

 

[Timshel]

And start wanting to wear veil's

No surprise that you have bought into such pseudoscience bullshit.

 

[Timshel]

No wonder it tastes so much like poison! I think if you threatened to feed only soy to terrorists they would spill their guts.

ID is getting nutrition info from homophobic morons. Soy is not at all bad for you.

 

[DamnYankee]

AWWWWWW...who's jealous he's not as gifted as Zappa?? Who's mad he's not a talented MF'er like Zappa is?

Shouldn't you be asking the next customer in line if he wants fries with that?

btw...I read the whole thread.

You can't back up your claims and that is why you continue to run away.

Dude you don't have a job.

 

[Don Quixote]

Coca-Cola is out, and soy milk is now part of San Francisco's official city policy.

Under an executive order from Mayor Gavin Newsom, Coke, Pepsi and Fanta Orange are no longer allowed in vending machines on city property, although their diet counterparts are - up to a point.

Newsom's directive, issued in April but whose practical impacts are starting to be felt now, bars calorically sweetened beverages from vending machines on city property.

That includes non-diet sodas, sports drinks and artificially sweetened water. Juice must be 100 percent fruit or vegetable juice with no added sweeteners. Diet sodas can be no more than 25 percent of the items offered, the directive says.

There should be "ample choices" of water, "soy milk, rice milk and other similar dairy or non dairy milk," says the directive, which also covers fat and sugar content in vending machine snacks.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/07/05/BAMU1E8QKR.DTL&tsp=1

Don't worry libtards, Kool-Aid will still be available.


View attachment 453

kool-aid for non-liberals...free, with a secret added ingredient

ps by the above rules, kool-aid would not be permitted

 

[Damocles]

ID is getting nutrition info from homophobic morons. Soy is not at all bad for you.

It still tastes like poison and I believe it is a controlled substance under international law... I think the Geneva Convention mentions how you can't use it on prisoners of war or something.

 

[Canceled1]

ID is getting nutrition info from homophobic morons. Soy is not at all bad for you.

So you buy it and drink it. When your voice changes and you want to hump the dog, back off.

 

[Canceled2]

ID is getting nutrition info from homophobic morons. Soy is not at all bad for you.

No ID is not dorkpuss.

 

[Canceled2]

No surprise that you have bought into such pseudoscience bullshit.

There are 31 million other google pages asshole. I'll post 2 of them.

Soy ploy?
In addition to glycerin, maltitol, and erythritol, another word keeps popping up on low-carb labels: "soy." Why are food manufacturers turning everything into tofu? "Soy flour naturally has a lower carbohydrate content than wheat flour. It's also much higher in protein," says Lona Sandon, R.D., a spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Association, and an assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the University of Texas Southwestern.



You'd think this would be a good thing. But this health food can be hell on men. Blame estrogens. Specifically, phytoestrogens -- compounds found in varying levels in all soy foods. "Soy phytoestrogens mimic normal estrogen," says Lon White, M.D., an epidemiologist at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. "They are pharmacologically active molecules." In other words, drugs.



And this is your brain on them: In a study of 8,000 Japanese-American men published in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Dr. White found that those who had eaten tofu twice a week for the past decade or so performed worse on tests of mental ability than those eating less. The brains of those who ate a lot of tofu in midlife functioned as if they were 4 years older than their actual ages. High intake may also cause kidney stones.



Is too much soy bad for men?

While soy may be beneficial to women in a variety of ways, research in monkeys suggests that it could have an adverse effect on the behavior of men, according to researchers from Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center.

Reporting in the current issue of the scientific journal Hormones and Behavior, the researchers found that in male monkeys, "long-term consumption of a diet rich in soy isoflavones can have marked influences on patterns of aggression and social behavior." Isoflavones are a naturally occurring plant estrogen in soy protein.

"Although considerable attention has been directed at the potentially beneficial effects of isoflavones in reducing the risk of various cancers, osteoporosis, cardiovascular disease and postmenopausal symptoms, less effort has been invested in characterizing neurobehavioral effects," according to the study.

People have the concept that soy is only beneficial, said Jay R. Kaplan, Ph.D., professor of comparative medicine and anthropology, one of the investigators. "There is the thought that what is good for some is good for all and more is better."

But this research points out that not only does the dose make a difference, but so does the sex of the consumer, Kaplan said, adding that the study is consistent with emerging literature showing that soy can have a negative impact on the behavior of male rodents. Previous studies have shown no difference in aggression in females given large doses of soy, Kaplan said.

The study was done over 15 months with adult male monkeys who were divided into three groups and fed different amounts and types of protein. One group had about 125 mg of isoflavones a day. The second group had half that amount, and the third group's protein came from milk and animal sources.

"In the monkeys fed the higher amounts of isoflavones, frequencies of intense aggressive and submissive behavior were elevated," according to the study. "In addition, the proportion of time spent by these monkeys in physical contact with other monkeys was reduced by 68 percent, time spent in proximity to other monkeys was reduced 50 percent and time spent alone was increased 30 percent."

Isoflavone levels of 125 mg per day are higher than amounts consumed by many Asians, who typically eat more soy than other populations. But, the isoflavone levels are comparable to levels found in many dietary supplements sold in the United States.

The FDA approved a statement in 1999 that said, "25 grams of soy protein a day, as part of a diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol, may reduce the risk of heart disease." Soy sales have grown from $940 million in 1990 to a projected $4 billion this year. Kaplan said that soy is the most widely used botanical by pre- and postmenopausal women.

"To the best of our knowledge, the present study may be the first to demonstrate that long-term consumption of isoflavones can alter patterns of agonistic and social behavior in primates," the researchers reported. "The present findings suggest that careful attention will be required to balance beneficial and potentially adverse effects."

Other researchers in the study included Michael R. Adams, D.V.M., professor of pathology, and Thomas C. Register, Ph.D., associate professor of pathology, at Wake Forest Baptist, as well as two researchers from Lehigh University's Department of Biological Sciences.

The research was funded by NIH grants and a grant from the HF Guggenheim Foundation.

About Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center: Wake Forest Baptist is an academic health system comprised of North Carolina Baptist Hospital and Wake Forest University School of Medicine. It is licensed to operate 1,282 acute care, psychiatric, rehabilitation and long-term care beds and is consistently ranked as one of "America's Best Hospitals" by U.S. News & World Report.

 

[Canceled1]

There are 31 million other google pages asshole. I'll post 2 of them.

Soy ploy?
In addition to glycerin, maltitol, and erythritol, another word keeps popping up on low-carb labels: "soy." Why are food manufacturers turning everything into tofu? "Soy flour naturally has a lower carbohydrate content than wheat flour. It's also much higher in protein," says Lona Sandon, R.D., a spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Association, and an assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the University of Texas Southwestern.



You'd think this would be a good thing. But this health food can be hell on men. Blame estrogens. Specifically, phytoestrogens -- compounds found in varying levels in all soy foods. "Soy phytoestrogens mimic normal estrogen," says Lon White, M.D., an epidemiologist at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. "They are pharmacologically active molecules." In other words, drugs.



And this is your brain on them: In a study of 8,000 Japanese-American men published in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Dr. White found that those who had eaten tofu twice a week for the past decade or so performed worse on tests of mental ability than those eating less. The brains of those who ate a lot of tofu in midlife functioned as if they were 4 years older than their actual ages. High intake may also cause kidney stones.



Is too much soy bad for men?

While soy may be beneficial to women in a variety of ways, research in monkeys suggests that it could have an adverse effect on the behavior of men, according to researchers from Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center.

Reporting in the current issue of the scientific journal Hormones and Behavior, the researchers found that in male monkeys, "long-term consumption of a diet rich in soy isoflavones can have marked influences on patterns of aggression and social behavior." Isoflavones are a naturally occurring plant estrogen in soy protein.

"Although considerable attention has been directed at the potentially beneficial effects of isoflavones in reducing the risk of various cancers, osteoporosis, cardiovascular disease and postmenopausal symptoms, less effort has been invested in characterizing neurobehavioral effects," according to the study.

People have the concept that soy is only beneficial, said Jay R. Kaplan, Ph.D., professor of comparative medicine and anthropology, one of the investigators. "There is the thought that what is good for some is good for all and more is better."

But this research points out that not only does the dose make a difference, but so does the sex of the consumer, Kaplan said, adding that the study is consistent with emerging literature showing that soy can have a negative impact on the behavior of male rodents. Previous studies have shown no difference in aggression in females given large doses of soy, Kaplan said.

The study was done over 15 months with adult male monkeys who were divided into three groups and fed different amounts and types of protein. One group had about 125 mg of isoflavones a day. The second group had half that amount, and the third group's protein came from milk and animal sources.

"In the monkeys fed the higher amounts of isoflavones, frequencies of intense aggressive and submissive behavior were elevated," according to the study. "In addition, the proportion of time spent by these monkeys in physical contact with other monkeys was reduced by 68 percent, time spent in proximity to other monkeys was reduced 50 percent and time spent alone was increased 30 percent."

Isoflavone levels of 125 mg per day are higher than amounts consumed by many Asians, who typically eat more soy than other populations. But, the isoflavone levels are comparable to levels found in many dietary supplements sold in the United States.

The FDA approved a statement in 1999 that said, "25 grams of soy protein a day, as part of a diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol, may reduce the risk of heart disease." Soy sales have grown from $940 million in 1990 to a projected $4 billion this year. Kaplan said that soy is the most widely used botanical by pre- and postmenopausal women.

"To the best of our knowledge, the present study may be the first to demonstrate that long-term consumption of isoflavones can alter patterns of agonistic and social behavior in primates," the researchers reported. "The present findings suggest that careful attention will be required to balance beneficial and potentially adverse effects."

Other researchers in the study included Michael R. Adams, D.V.M., professor of pathology, and Thomas C. Register, Ph.D., associate professor of pathology, at Wake Forest Baptist, as well as two researchers from Lehigh University's Department of Biological Sciences.

The research was funded by NIH grants and a grant from the HF Guggenheim Foundation.

About Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center: Wake Forest Baptist is an academic health system comprised of North Carolina Baptist Hospital and Wake Forest University School of Medicine. It is licensed to operate 1,282 acute care, psychiatric, rehabilitation and long-term care beds and is consistently ranked as one of "America's Best Hospitals" by U.S. News & World Report.

Stringy is secretly worried why he bursts into Minnie Ripperton's "Loving You" in the shower and sounds just like her. What bothers him more are the "moobs" he's developed over the last couple of years...

Pass him his triple soy latte, wouldja?

 

[Timshel]

Men's Health? Are you kidding me? Couldn't find an article in Maxim?

And wtf is Medical News Today. The animal studies are no good because phytoestrogens behave differently in animals. Further, 125 mg is much more than the average Asian eats.

There are large numbers of Americans well into their 30s and 40s that were fed soy formula as infants. There are no reported ill health effects. That's just not possible if there were any seriuous danger from it.

 

[Timshel]

Stringy is secretly worried why he bursts into Minnie Ripperton's "Loving You" in the shower and sounds just like her. What bothers him more are the "moobs" he's developed over the last couple of years...

Pass him his triple soy latte, wouldja?

I have not drunk soy milk in a while. But I did when I was at my physical peak. I had/have no man boobs. I had very little body fat at all, that's changed a little, but... You can ask some of the old-timers around here as I posted some pictures to show off my physique in the past.

I used to read Men's Health quite frequently for the workout tips. That's why I can't believe anyone would post it is as a source for science. Its nutritional articles are full of woo. Most are clearly driven by their advertisers. That was always clear to me, but proven beyond doubt, as they changed positions several times on the low carb nonsense and their positions directly correlated to how many products were being developed to feed the stupid.

 

[Canceled2]

Men's Health? Are you kidding me? Couldn't find an article in Maxim?

And wtf is Medical News Today. The animal studies are no good because phytoestrogens behave differently in animals. Further, 125 mg is much more than the average Asian eats.

There are large numbers of Americans well into their 30s and 40s that were fed soy formula as infants. There are no reported ill health effects. That's just not possible if there were any seriuous danger from it.

Like I said dorkpuss there are over a 30 million google pages full of proof-wtf do you think estrogen is?

and just for kicks~~~

Why expose your baby?
Many parents that fed soy formulas in the 1960's did so after receiving the advice that they were 'better than breast milk'. Had they known that these products contained phytoestrogens, compounds that are now known to cause thyroid disorders, behavioural and developmental disorders and cancer they would not have even contemplated the use of what was, in hindsight, an experimental product.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Men's Health? Are you kidding me? Couldn't find an article in Maxim?

And wtf is Medical News Today. The animal studies are no good because phytoestrogens behave differently in animals. Further, 125 mg is much more than the average Asian eats.

There are large numbers of Americans well into their 30s and 40s that were fed soy formula as infants. There are no reported ill health effects. That's just not possible if there were any seriuous danger from it.

Except that they're all gay!!

 

[Timshel]

Like I said dorkpuss there are over a 30 million google pages full of proof-wtf do you think estrogen is?

Oh, it was on the internets it must be true. And not one of em from a reputable source. There are probably 30 million pages devoted to the reptilian Noahide conspiracy too. So what?

and just for kicks~~~

Why expose your baby?
Many parents that fed soy formulas in the 1960's did so after receiving the advice that they were 'better than breast milk'. Had they known that these products contained phytoestrogens, compounds that are now known to cause thyroid disorders, behavioural and developmental disorders and cancer they would not have even contemplated the use of what was, in hindsight, an experimental product.

This is from the WAPF group, who pushes eating meat and dairy. They are the source of most of the woo and just a bunch of fucking idiots with no real expertise.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/01/anti-soya-brigade-ignore-scaremongering

 

[Timshel]

And my previous point defeats the claim you just posted specifically. Millions of babies have been fed soy formula, some well into their forties and there is no sign of ill effects.

 

[Timshel]

Except that they're all gay!!

Is that joke at my expense or ID's? No, as sm will demand that you state with any reference to homosexuality, it is not that normal.

 

[apple0154]

"In the monkeys fed the higher amounts of isoflavones, frequencies of intense aggressive and submissive behavior were elevated," according to the study. "In addition, the proportion of time spent by these monkeys in physical contact with other monkeys was reduced by 68 percent, time spent in proximity to other monkeys was reduced 50 percent and time spent alone was increased 30 percent."

Is that another way of saying "passive/aggressive" behavior?

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There are 31 million other google pages asshole. I'll post 2 of them.

Soy ploy?
In addition to glycerin, maltitol, and erythritol, another word keeps popping up on low-carb labels: "soy." Why are food manufacturers turning everything into tofu? "Soy flour naturally has a lower carbohydrate content than wheat flour. It's also much higher in protein," says Lona Sandon, R.D., a spokeswoman for the American Dietetic Association, and an assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the University of Texas Southwestern.



You'd think this would be a good thing. But this health food can be hell on men. Blame estrogens. Specifically, phytoestrogens -- compounds found in varying levels in all soy foods. "Soy phytoestrogens mimic normal estrogen," says Lon White, M.D., an epidemiologist at the University of Hawaii at Manoa. "They are pharmacologically active molecules." In other words, drugs.



And this is your brain on them: In a study of 8,000 Japanese-American men published in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Dr. White found that those who had eaten tofu twice a week for the past decade or so performed worse on tests of mental ability than those eating less. The brains of those who ate a lot of tofu in midlife functioned as if they were 4 years older than their actual ages. High intake may also cause kidney stones.



Is too much soy bad for men?

While soy may be beneficial to women in a variety of ways, research in monkeys suggests that it could have an adverse effect on the behavior of men, according to researchers from Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center.

Reporting in the current issue of the scientific journal Hormones and Behavior, the researchers found that in male monkeys, "long-term consumption of a diet rich in soy isoflavones can have marked influences on patterns of aggression and social behavior." Isoflavones are a naturally occurring plant estrogen in soy protein.

"Although considerable attention has been directed at the potentially beneficial effects of isoflavones in reducing the risk of various cancers, osteoporosis, cardiovascular disease and postmenopausal symptoms, less effort has been invested in characterizing neurobehavioral effects," according to the study.

People have the concept that soy is only beneficial, said Jay R. Kaplan, Ph.D., professor of comparative medicine and anthropology, one of the investigators. "There is the thought that what is good for some is good for all and more is better."

But this research points out that not only does the dose make a difference, but so does the sex of the consumer, Kaplan said, adding that the study is consistent with emerging literature showing that soy can have a negative impact on the behavior of male rodents. Previous studies have shown no difference in aggression in females given large doses of soy, Kaplan said.

The study was done over 15 months with adult male monkeys who were divided into three groups and fed different amounts and types of protein. One group had about 125 mg of isoflavones a day. The second group had half that amount, and the third group's protein came from milk and animal sources.

"In the monkeys fed the higher amounts of isoflavones, frequencies of intense aggressive and submissive behavior were elevated," according to the study. "In addition, the proportion of time spent by these monkeys in physical contact with other monkeys was reduced by 68 percent, time spent in proximity to other monkeys was reduced 50 percent and time spent alone was increased 30 percent."

Isoflavone levels of 125 mg per day are higher than amounts consumed by many Asians, who typically eat more soy than other populations. But, the isoflavone levels are comparable to levels found in many dietary supplements sold in the United States.

The FDA approved a statement in 1999 that said, "25 grams of soy protein a day, as part of a diet low in saturated fat and cholesterol, may reduce the risk of heart disease." Soy sales have grown from $940 million in 1990 to a projected $4 billion this year. Kaplan said that soy is the most widely used botanical by pre- and postmenopausal women.

"To the best of our knowledge, the present study may be the first to demonstrate that long-term consumption of isoflavones can alter patterns of agonistic and social behavior in primates," the researchers reported. "The present findings suggest that careful attention will be required to balance beneficial and potentially adverse effects."

Other researchers in the study included Michael R. Adams, D.V.M., professor of pathology, and Thomas C. Register, Ph.D., associate professor of pathology, at Wake Forest Baptist, as well as two researchers from Lehigh University's Department of Biological Sciences.

The research was funded by NIH grants and a grant from the HF Guggenheim Foundation.

About Wake Forest University Baptist Medical Center: Wake Forest Baptist is an academic health system comprised of North Carolina Baptist Hospital and Wake Forest University School of Medicine. It is licensed to operate 1,282 acute care, psychiatric, rehabilitation and long-term care beds and is consistently ranked as one of "America's Best Hospitals" by U.S. News & World Report.

 

[apple0154]

Stringy is secretly worried why he bursts into Minnie Ripperton's "Loving You" in the shower and sounds just like her. What bothers him more are the "moobs" he's developed over the last couple of years...

Pass him his triple soy latte, wouldja?

Did Kramer and George's dad ever patent the "Mansiere"?