Antifa, not just an idea but a bunch of terrorists

Does this mean that a group who does a terrorist act in the name of their group exists? Yes. They exist even if we find them obscene. Though I don't know why you would use Christianity, I do not care if you think groups that commit terrorism in the name of Christianity exist or not...

Antifa is not Christianity. It doesn't equal Christianity in any way. But what we do know is that Antifa Terrorists exist, because we've seen the results of their activity.

At least we've gotten you to the point that you understand that these groups exist. Now to get you past the idea that they are imaginary simply because you've been told to repeat it and think other people won't think you are "cool" if you believe what you see with your own eyes.

Damo i am trying to help you here.

No one is saying a person or group could not commit a crime or terrorist act in the name of Christianity, Against Fascism, Against Russia Occupation or Ukraine, Against China.

OF COURSE THEY COULD.

What that DOES NOT MEAN, is that Christianity, those against fascism, against Russia or against China, can be labeled as part of a terrorist organization for just believing in the same things as the others in their group do.

You have over arching ideologies, (fascism, communism, Christianity, etc) that are belief systems, ideologies, with lots of common believers and those against those things.

Those are NOT LIKE Proud Boys, or Hells Angels or the KKK which ARE ORGANIZATIONS with very specific structures and organization and which could ALL be labelled terrorist groups or criminal organization by their actions.

A group of abortion clinic bombers acting in the name of their Christianity WOULD NEVER get Christianity labeled a terrorist organization or criminal organization.

I do not have high confidence you could read the above and understand it but it is an attempt to help you.
 
Is anyone denying that it exists? It's a movement. It is not an organization acting in such ways as MAGA insists.
Right... Saying that "it doesn't exist" earlier in the thread wasn't actually saying that "it doesn't exist"... Jake. Yes, there are people denying that it exists at all. Saying it isn't "an organization" is just as absurd as someone saying that Muslim Terrorism doesn't exist, because it isn't "an organization"... It doesn't matter if there are many separate organizations using the name, so long as the actions are terrorism and they are organized.

Telling me that I must reject what I see because you insist that these people do not exist and do the things we see is just gaslighting (literally it is exactly what gaslighting is)... It's a childlike, "You're not cool like me" argument that is useless and tries to get everyone to ignore evidence they see before their very eyes.
 
@Damocles is Christianity, the belief system a criminal or terrorist organization because groups like "Army of God" committed crimes in their name?


Extremist “Army of God” Group Takes Credit for Atlanta Bombings, Promises to Attack Again



Army of God (AOG) is an American Christian terrorist organization,
So, if we go by what you said, "Army of God" doesn't exist if they are not hierarchical. If we see them act in terrorism in the name of the organization that they are members of... we know they exist even if you think it is uncool to notice.
 
Right... Saying that "it doesn't exist" earlier in the thread wasn't actually saying that "it doesn't exist"... Jake. Yes, there are people denying that it exists at all. Saying it isn't "an organization" is just as absurd as someone saying that Muslim Terrorism doesn't exist, because it isn't "an organization"... It doesn't matter if there are many separate organizations using the name, so long as the actions are terrorism and they are organized.
LIE,

We are saying it does not exist in the form you say. In the way Trump is trying to frame it.

People who are against Fascism, People who are against China, People who are against Russia Ukraine war, all exist. There are loose groups correlated with those over arching beliefs all across the world.

Those loose groups 'against fascism', 'against ukraine war', 'against china' can no more be labeled terrorist or criminal orgs than Christianity could be for the actions of "Army of God'.
 
Damocles, are you sure you understand that you are saying much of what almost everybody is saying?

It is not a massive Proud Boys movement.
 
LIE,

We are saying it does not exist in the form you say. In the way Trump is trying to frame it.

People who are against Fascism, People who are against China, People who are against Russia Ukraine war, all exist. There are loose groups correlated with those over arching beliefs all across the world.

Those loose groups 'against fascism', 'against ukraine war', 'against china' can no more be labeled terrorist or criminal orgs than Christianity could be for the actions of "Army of God'.
Geebus. Pretending that groups that organize and act in violence do not exist does not make them actually not exist in any world.

If a terrorist group called "The Christian Soldiers" commit terrorism, but are not centralized and act like the decentralized terrorists organizations from somewhere else, they would exist. It would not make "all Christians" terrorists. But it would mean that terrorist groups using that name really do exist.

In this case, we see Antifa commit violence in the name of their organization. We see them act in an organized fashion... therefore we know they exist, even if it is inconvenient for you, like the "Army of God" you mentioned earlier.
 
So, if we go by what you said, "Army of God" doesn't exist if they are not hierarchical. If we see them act in terrorism in the name of the organization that they are members of... we know they exist even if you think it is uncool to notice.
Wow you really are this dumb and its not just a schtick.

Army of God is an organization in the same way the KKK are and the Hells Angels are. They meet, they create missions they act.

WHat do people "Against the Russian war' in Canada and the US and Australia share other than a belief?

What do people "Against fascism' in Canada, the US and Australia share other than a belief?


Just like with Christianity they all share a common belief system.


If groups or individuals act in their names that does not encompass Christianity, the people world wide against the Russian War or the people world wide against fascsi9m.
 
Explain why antifa is not a massive organization dedication to violence.

Quick answer: Antifa is not a massive, centralized organization dedicated to violence. It is a loosely connected movement of small groups and individuals who oppose fascism and far‑right extremism. While some Antifa‑affiliated activists have engaged in confrontations or property damage, data shows they are not responsible for widespread or systematic lethal violence, and they lack the structure, leadership, or scale of a formal organization.


🧩 Why Antifa Is Not a “Massive Organization”​

  • Decentralized structure:
    • Antifa is better described as a movement or network rather than a single group.
    • There is no national leadership, membership rolls, or centralized funding.
    • Local collectives act independently, often organizing around specific protests or community defense.
  • Scale of activity:
    • Studies of U.S. political violence show Antifa‑linked incidents are rare compared to right‑wing extremist violence, which accounts for the majority of domestic terrorism deaths since 2001.
    • Most demonstrations involving Antifa presence are overwhelmingly peaceful; over 90% of large protests in recent years did not involve violence.
  • Nature of incidents:
    • Antifa activists have been involved in street clashes, vandalism, and confrontations with far‑right groups, but not in mass‑casualty attacks.
    • Government reviews note that much of the violence during high‑profile protests was caused by a mixture of actors—opportunistic criminals, unaffiliated rioters, and police responses—not a coordinated Antifa campaign.

⚖️ Distinguishing Between Domestic and Foreign Groups​

  • In Europe, some militant anarchist groups using the “Antifa” label (like Antifa Ost in Germany) have been designated terrorist organizations due to bombings or attacks.
  • In the U.S., however, Antifa is not classified as a terrorist organization because it lacks the organizational features required under law. Intelligence assessments emphasize its informal, decentralized nature.

✅ Key Takeaway​

Antifa in the United States is not a massive, centralized organization dedicated to violence. It is a loose anti‑fascist movement where some individuals have engaged in confrontations, but systematic data shows they are not the dominant source of lethal political violence. The perception of Antifa as a large violent organization is often exaggerated compared to the reality of small, decentralized groups acting independently.

 
Wow you really are this dumb and its not just a schtick.

Army of God is an organization in the same way the KKK are and the Hells Angels are. They meet, they create missions they act.

WHat do people "Against the Russian war' in Canada and the US and Australia share other than a belief?

What do people "Against fascism' in Canada, the US and Australia share other than a belief?


Just like with Christianity they all share a common belief system.


If groups or individuals act in their names that does not encompass Christianity, the people world wide against the Russian War or the people world wide against fascsi9m.
QP Herman, believes that continuously repeating the same "insult" means he "wins"...

If groups of people organize and act together, create aps, create a brand, utilize it, then commit terrorism they exist even though you don't want them to. You are like a child with his hands over his ears and shouting... I get that you don't want them to exist, but they do.
 
Geebus. Pretending that groups that organize and act in violence do not exist does not make them actually not exist in any world.

If a terrorist group called "The Christian Soldiers" commit terrorism, but are not centralized and act like the decentralized terrorists organizations from somewhere else, they would exist. It would not make "all Christians" terrorists. But it would mean that terrorist groups using that name really do exist.

In this case, we see Antifa commit violence in the name of their organization. We see them act in an organized fashion... therefore we know they exist, even if it is inconvenient for you, like the "Army of God" you mentioned earlier.
By your own logic above it is Christianity and not just Army of God who then is committing those crimes.

Because that is what Trump is trying to do here. He is trying to label the entire ideology for the actions of a group with in it and you seem so stupid you agree.

So do you agree. Is Christianity and all the people who follow it responsible for The Christian soldiers actions?
 
QP Herman, believes that continuously repeating the same "insult" means he "wins"...

If groups of people organize and act together, create aps, create a brand, utilize it, then commit terrorism they exist even though you don't want them to. You are like a child with his hands over his ears and shouting... I get that you don't want them to exist, but they do.
No i win because i am smart and you are stupid.

ZOMG those people marching across the world against the Russia war, have merch, we see them and they have apps, so if anyone commits a crime or terrorist act the entire movement of 'being against the Russian war; is therefore criminal.

Do not tell me different because i am Damoclese and S.M.R.T.
 
By your own logic above it is Christianity and not just Army of God who then is committing those crimes.

Because that is what Trump is trying to do here. He is trying to label the entire ideology for the actions of a group with in it and you seem so stupid you agree.

So do you agree. Is Christianity and all the people who follow it responsible for The Christian soldiers actions?
Geebus you really are childlike in your simplicity. Antifa terrorism doesn't exist because I know these cool kids over here that protest something else but aren't waving the flag of Antifa and not committing terrorism!

If a group commits terrorism in the name of Christianity, then Christian Terrorists exist, even if I find them inconvenient (I don't, not my circus, not my monkeys). And they exist even if they are not centralized or hierarchical.
 
Explain why antifa is not a massive organization dedication to violence.

Quick answer: Antifa is not a massive, centralized organization dedicated to violence. It is a loosely connected movement of small groups and individuals who oppose fascism and far‑right extremism. While some Antifa‑affiliated activists have engaged in confrontations or property damage, data shows they are not responsible for widespread or systematic lethal violence, and they lack the structure, leadership, or scale of a formal organization.


🧩 Why Antifa Is Not a “Massive Organization”​

  • Decentralized structure:
    • Antifa is better described as a movement or network rather than a single group.
    • There is no national leadership, membership rolls, or centralized funding.
    • Local collectives act independently, often organizing around specific protests or community defense.
  • Scale of activity:
    • Studies of U.S. political violence show Antifa‑linked incidents are rare compared to right‑wing extremist violence, which accounts for the majority of domestic terrorism deaths since 2001.
    • Most demonstrations involving Antifa presence are overwhelmingly peaceful; over 90% of large protests in recent years did not involve violence.
  • Nature of incidents:
    • Antifa activists have been involved in street clashes, vandalism, and confrontations with far‑right groups, but not in mass‑casualty attacks.
    • Government reviews note that much of the violence during high‑profile protests was caused by a mixture of actors—opportunistic criminals, unaffiliated rioters, and police responses—not a coordinated Antifa campaign.

⚖️ Distinguishing Between Domestic and Foreign Groups​

  • In Europe, some militant anarchist groups using the “Antifa” label (like Antifa Ost in Germany) have been designated terrorist organizations due to bombings or attacks.
  • In the U.S., however, Antifa is not classified as a terrorist organization because it lacks the organizational features required under law. Intelligence assessments emphasize its informal, decentralized nature.

✅ Key Takeaway​

Antifa in the United States is not a massive, centralized organization dedicated to violence. It is a loose anti‑fascist movement where some individuals have engaged in confrontations, but systematic data shows they are not the dominant source of lethal political violence. The perception of Antifa as a large violent organization is often exaggerated compared to the reality of small, decentralized groups acting independently.


Damo is simply incapable of separating an ideology from groups who may act in the name of the ideology.

So in his mind Christianity and Christians are responsible for the actions of The Christians soldiers, and those Against Fascism, are responsible for any random group who commits crime in the ideologies name.

Any one not Damo and smarter than him know that the groups acting in the name of a ideology or belief system DOES NOT then mean the entire belief system or ideology is culpable or can be labelled criminal for the actions of the individual or group.

Christianity and Christians ARE NOT responsible for what The Christian Soldiers do and only the The Christian Soldiers are.

Those Against Fascism ARE NOT responsible for what any individual or criminal group might do in the name of the movement.

We should not have to explain this but ... stupid people... sigh.
 
Geebus you really are childlike in your simplicity. Antifa terrorism doesn't exist because I know these cool kids over here that protest something else but aren't waving the flag of Antifa and not committing terrorism!

If a group commits terrorism in the name of Christianity, then Christian Terrorists exist, even if I find them inconvenient (I don't, not my circus, not my monkeys). And they exist even if they are not centralized or hierarchical.
Be less stupid Damoclese.

Trump is saying if a group commits terrorism in the name of Christianity (Antifascism) then he is going to label ALL OF CHRISTIANITY (anti fascism, a terrorist organization) .

He is not saying he will point at 'that group' and label them as we all agree with that. T

Trump and magats are saying it is the very belief system and thus all who follow it and NOT just the group who committed the crime.

White Nationalism is a belief system. Under that the KKK would be a group that might commit a crime. Labelling the KKK a terrorist group for committing a crime = OK. Labeling White Nationalism a terrorist or criminal group or belief system because the KKK did a crime equals stupid. Damoclese depths of stupidity.
 
Damo is simply incapable of separating an ideology from groups who may act in the name of the ideology.

So in his mind Christianity and Christians are responsible for the actions of The Christians soldiers, and those Against Fascism, are responsible for any random group who commits crime in the ideologies name.

Any one not Damo and smarter than him know that the groups acting in the name of a ideology or belief system DOES NOT then mean the entire belief system or ideology is culpable or can be labelled criminal for the actions of the individual or group.

Christianity and Christians ARE NOT responsible for what The Christian Soldiers do and only the The Christian Soldiers are.

Those Against Fascism ARE NOT responsible for what any individual or criminal group might do in the name of the movement.

We should not have to explain this but ... stupid people... sigh.
QP Herman is incapable of understanding that ideology isn't the group that commits the acts, and that those groups exist even if he thinks the ideology is innocent and it is inconvenient to his personal beliefs if we actually pay attention to what we see rather than what he tells us to believe.

He wants you to believe that because some people who say they are something do not act this way, we have to ignore the ones that do and not call them by the name they choose to use.
 
Right... Saying that "it doesn't exist" earlier in the thread wasn't actually saying that "it doesn't exist"... Jake. Yes, there are people denying that it exists at all. Saying it isn't "an organization" is just as absurd as someone saying that Muslim Terrorism doesn't exist, because it isn't "an organization"... It doesn't matter if there are many separate organizations using the name, so long as the actions are terrorism and they are organized.

Telling me that I must reject what I see because you insist that these people do not exist and do the things we see is just gaslighting (literally it is exactly what gaslighting is)... It's a childlike, "You're not cool like me" argument that is useless and tries to get everyone to ignore evidence they see before their very eyes.
Hell yeah! Ten stars and well said!
 
QP Herman is incapable of understanding that ideology isn't the group that commits the acts, and that those groups exist even if he thinks the ideology is innocent and it is inconvenient to his personal beliefs if we actually pay attention to what we see rather than what he tells us to believe.

He wants you to believe that because some people who say they are something do not act this way, we have to ignore the ones that do and not call them by the name they choose to use.
No Damo.

People can hold beliefs. Christianity is a belief. Being 'Against Fascism' is a belief., Being 'Pro Buddhist' is a belief. Being "Against Putin and the Russian war' is a belief.

Movements, protests, support groups can form world wide that share those beliefs.

Within those belief systems some good and bad individuals may act.

A group like Christian soldiers might do terrorist acts but Christianity is not held legally responsible or criminalized because of it.

Trump is saying the ENTIRE BELIEF SYSTEM of people who are Against Fascism can be labelled criminal or terrorist if he can point to the actions of individuals or groups who might take actions like Christian Soldiers do.

Do you not agree that is wrong? That neither the belief system of Christianity or Anti fascism can be blamed for that?

That only the individual or group doing the action can be blamed?
 
Explain why antifa is not a massive organization dedication to violence.

Quick answer: Antifa is not a massive, centralized organization dedicated to violence. It is a loosely connected movement of small groups and individuals who oppose fascism and far‑right extremism. While some Antifa‑affiliated activists have engaged in confrontations or property damage, data shows they are not responsible for widespread or systematic lethal violence, and they lack the structure, leadership, or scale of a formal organization.


🧩 Why Antifa Is Not a “Massive Organization”​

  • Decentralized structure:
    • Antifa is better described as a movement or network rather than a single group.
    • There is no national leadership, membership rolls, or centralized funding.
    • Local collectives act independently, often organizing around specific protests or community defense.
  • Scale of activity:
    • Studies of U.S. political violence show Antifa‑linked incidents are rare compared to right‑wing extremist violence, which accounts for the majority of domestic terrorism deaths since 2001.
    • Most demonstrations involving Antifa presence are overwhelmingly peaceful; over 90% of large protests in recent years did not involve violence.
  • Nature of incidents:
    • Antifa activists have been involved in street clashes, vandalism, and confrontations with far‑right groups, but not in mass‑casualty attacks.
    • Government reviews note that much of the violence during high‑profile protests was caused by a mixture of actors—opportunistic criminals, unaffiliated rioters, and police responses—not a coordinated Antifa campaign.

⚖️ Distinguishing Between Domestic and Foreign Groups​

  • In Europe, some militant anarchist groups using the “Antifa” label (like Antifa Ost in Germany) have been designated terrorist organizations due to bombings or attacks.
  • In the U.S., however, Antifa is not classified as a terrorist organization because it lacks the organizational features required under law. Intelligence assessments emphasize its informal, decentralized nature.

✅ Key Takeaway​

Antifa in the United States is not a massive, centralized organization dedicated to violence. It is a loose anti‑fascist movement where some individuals have engaged in confrontations, but systematic data shows they are not the dominant source of lethal political violence. The perception of Antifa as a large violent organization is often exaggerated compared to the reality of small, decentralized groups acting independently.

The AI is wrong, as usual.
 
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