Did the GOP just get sandbagged by the Dems on the shutdown

Poor Richard Saunders said:
There is a lot of gnashing of teeth and moaning by the left about how the Dems caved to allow the shutdown to end. But is that really the case?

At the moment, the details of the continuing resolution (CR) the Senate will pass to end the shut down aren't completely known. What is known is that it won't be the exact bill passed by the house. This is what the NYTimes is reporting about the bill:
The compromise measure includes a spending package that would fund the government through January, as well as three separate spending bills to cover programs related to agriculture, military construction and legislative agencies for most of 2026. The package also includes a provision that would reverse layoffs of federal workers made during the shutdown and ensure retroactive pay.
It has also been reported that the CR will last through Jan 31. Another part of the deal is that Thune promised the Dems that he would bring up a bill to reinstate the ACA subsidies sometime before the end of December.

This could have several great results for the Dems.
1. The House will have to vote on this bill from the Senate which will result in seating the 218 House member signing on to force the vote to release the Epstein files. Imagine the GOP being forced to vote on the record to NOT release the files after demands from their base for that to happen.
2. The House will actually have to pass the Senate bill without changes and Trump will have to sign it. Failure of either of those will result in clear blame for the GOP. The Dems in the Senate are not required to vote for any House changes to the bill.
3. Trump will have to sign the bill that revokes all the firings his administration is doing in the last month making Trump look weak.
4. This gives the GOP only until the end of January to pass all the appropriation bills which they have not been able to pass so far. With taking weeks off for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years, they will likely only have about 4 weeks to pass those bills. If they don't pass them, they will have to try to pass another CR before the end of January to prevent another partial shutdown.
5. If another shutdown occurs not only will it clearly be the fault of the GOP, but the current legislation funds SNAP through the agriculture funding through the end of the year so that will not be a problem for Dems during a future shutdown. They will have no reason to compromise next shutdown.
6. If Thune reneges on his promise to allow a vote on the Dem bill, the Dems can point to that as proof that the GOP can not be trusted.
7. The increases in health insurance costs will be in place and the GOP will have either voted to not prevent it or avoided addressing the issue at all making them solely responsible.

The only way the GOP can possibly save themselves is to somehow prevent a shutdown next year by passing appropriations that they can defend. In order to get that through the Senate they will more than likely have to be through the reconciliation process which clearly places all the blame on the GOP for anything that is unpopular.

Personally, I don't see any way for the GOP to avoid another shutdown in February of next year without them giving some major concessions to the Democrats. Voters may not remember the shutdown from a year ago next November, but if there is an extended shutdown in February they certainly will remember and know exactly who is to blame.
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I say shut the whole show down again and we can have idiots like Katherine clark tell us suffering Americans are just leverage. This was a dem shut down too to bottom.
 
anything to make the libtards sleep at night I guess

yes, this is playing out just as you all hoped

derp derp
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
It's trump plan? Where can I find this plan? Is it right next to Hannibal Lector's dinner plans and Arnold Palmer's penis size?

Trump has no plan. He says he has a concept of a plan but that isn't even enough to know what it might possible be.
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he said it's giving money to individuals instead of insurance companies to accomplish healthcare.

are you for that?

regardless of the location or when of the plan, what do you think of the plan itself, in broad terms?
 
Freddy Figbottom said:
he said it's giving money to individuals instead of insurance companies to accomplish healthcare.

are you for that?

regardless of the location or when of the plan, what do you think of the plan itself, in broad terms?
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ROFLMAO. How do individuals get their health care? They buy health insurance. Who do they buy that health insurance from?


Who is going to be able to afford to go to the ER with a broken bone and pay for it themselves without health insurance? If you think Trump's plan is to give everyone that might need to go to the ER $40,000 then you are a complete fool. Trump's plan isn't a way to cut out health insurance. It's a way to fool idiots which you seem to be one for believing him.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
ROFLMAO. How do individuals get their health care? They buy health insurance. Who do they buy that health insurance from?
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they pay directly to doctors.

insurance just allows layers of corruption and graft.
Poor Richard Saunders said:
Who is going to be able to afford to go to the ER with a broken bone and pay for it themselves without health insurance? If you think Trump's plan is to give everyone that might need to go to the ER $40,000 then you are a complete fool. Trump's plan isn't a way to cut out health insurance. It's a way to fool idiots which you seem to be one for believing him.
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prices will come down, this is how free markets work.

look into it, communist.
 
Freddy Figbottom said:
they pay directly to doctors.
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It seems you don't understand how the medical system works. Which doctor do you have that has their own practice. Most doctors work for health systems.
Freddy Figbottom said:
insurance just allows layers of corruption and graft.

prices will come down, this is how free markets work.
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That is how the free market works if you can shop around. You have just broken your leg and are bleeding badly or you are having a heart attack. Do you call around and see which doctor will give you the best deal or go to the closest one no matter the cost? Or perhaps you spent 4 hours a day over the last year calling medical providers to see what they charge for every item so you can do an actual comparison so you know what each charges for a bed, tylenol, dressing gown, tissues, anesthesia, medical instruments, etc. Are you a skilled enough medical professional you can calculate which items will actually be needed for your treatment? If you aren't, you have no way to make a comparison. Then when it comes to medical care, do you really want to go to Joe Schmoe down the street that graduated last in his class at the Jamaican school of medicine because he is so much cheaper than the cardiologist that graduated first in his class at Boston Medical?
Freddy Figbottom said:
look into it, communist.
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It's idiotic if you knew anything about the health system or how free markets work.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
It seems you don't understand how the medical system works. Which doctor do you have that has their own practice. Most doctors work for health systems.

That is how the free market works if you can shop around. You have just broken your leg and are bleeding badly or you are having a heart attack. Do you call around and see which doctor will give you the best deal or go to the closest one no matter the cost? Or perhaps you spent 4 hours a day over the last year calling medical providers to see what they charge for every item so you can do an actual comparison so you know what each charges for a bed, tylenol, dressing gown, tissues, anesthesia, medical instruments, etc. Are you a skilled enough medical professional you can calculate which items will actually be needed for your treatment? If you aren't, you have no way to make a comparison. Then when it comes to medical care, do you really want to go to Joe Schmoe down the street that graduated last in his class at the Jamaican school of medicine because he is so much cheaper than the cardiologist that graduated first in his class at Boston Medical?

It's idiotic if you knew anything about the health system or how free markets work.
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you just like fascism and hate humanty and will say anything to keep the pork flowing.

isn't that right?
 
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