Did the GOP just get sandbagged by the Dems on the shutdown

Poor Richard Saunders

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There is a lot of gnashing of teeth and moaning by the left about how the Dems caved to allow the shutdown to end. But is that really the case?

At the moment, the details of the continuing resolution (CR) the Senate will pass to end the shut down aren't completely known. What is known is that it won't be the exact bill passed by the house. This is what the NYTimes is reporting about the bill:
The compromise measure includes a spending package that would fund the government through January, as well as three separate spending bills to cover programs related to agriculture, military construction and legislative agencies for most of 2026. The package also includes a provision that would reverse layoffs of federal workers made during the shutdown and ensure retroactive pay.
It has also been reported that the CR will last through Jan 31. Another part of the deal is that Thune promised the Dems that he would bring up a bill to reinstate the ACA subsidies sometime before the end of December.

This could have several great results for the Dems.
1. The House will have to vote on this bill from the Senate which will result in seating the 218 House member signing on to force the vote to release the Epstein files. Imagine the GOP being forced to vote on the record to NOT release the files after demands from their base for that to happen.
2. The House will actually have to pass the Senate bill without changes and Trump will have to sign it. Failure of either of those will result in clear blame for the GOP. The Dems in the Senate are not required to vote for any House changes to the bill.
3. Trump will have to sign the bill that revokes all the firings his administration is doing in the last month making Trump look weak.
4. This gives the GOP only until the end of January to pass all the appropriation bills which they have not been able to pass so far. With taking weeks off for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years, they will likely only have about 4 weeks to pass those bills. If they don't pass them, they will have to try to pass another CR before the end of January to prevent another partial shutdown.
5. If another shutdown occurs not only will it clearly be the fault of the GOP, but the current legislation funds SNAP through the agriculture funding through the end of the year so that will not be a problem for Dems during a future shutdown. They will have no reason to compromise next shutdown.
6. If Thune reneges on his promise to allow a vote on the Dem bill, the Dems can point to that as proof that the GOP can not be trusted.
7. The increases in health insurance costs will be in place and the GOP will have either voted to not prevent it or avoided addressing the issue at all making them solely responsible.

The only way the GOP can possibly save themselves is to somehow prevent a shutdown next year by passing appropriations that they can defend. In order to get that through the Senate they will more than likely have to be through the reconciliation process which clearly places all the blame on the GOP for anything that is unpopular.

Personally, I don't see any way for the GOP to avoid another shutdown in February of next year without them giving some major concessions to the Democrats. Voters may not remember the shutdown from a year ago next November, but if there is an extended shutdown in February they certainly will remember and know exactly who is to blame.
 
I think what is more likely to happen is that the GOP will effectively kill any ACA-subsidy related proposal tout de suite. But, as others have noted, the ACA premiums will skyrocket thus causing the loss of a lot of Trump support for the mid-terms.

The "hostage taking" the GOP undertook with poor people did, apparently, pay off in the short term, but I fear they really won't enjoy what they wanted. People tend to get pissy when they can't see a doctor.

The Dems had something akin to "leverage" here with Tuesday's Dem wins but apparently it wasn't enough for everyone. And besides, people were being harmed by the GOP lust for pain for the poors, so maybe it wasn't so bad to end the shut down. I think the midterms will still play out if the GOP allows the ACA subsidies to expire.

tbd
 
There is a lot of gnashing of teeth and moaning by the left about how the Dems caved to allow the shutdown to end.
Yes, there is.
But is that really the case?
Yes, it is. They got nothing meaningful in return for their childish 40+ day temper tantrum.
At the moment, the details of the continuing resolution (CR) the Senate will pass to end the shut down aren't completely known. What is known is that it won't be the exact bill passed by the house.
Right. The "end date" is being changed to the end of January. There's not much more in changes beyond that and some federal workers getting their jobs back (with back pay) IF they haven't already found new jobs in the meantime.
This is what the NYTimes is reporting about the bill:
The compromise measure includes a spending package that would fund the government through January, as well as three separate spending bills to cover programs related to agriculture, military construction and legislative agencies for most of 2026. The package also includes a provision that would reverse layoffs of federal workers made during the shutdown and ensure retroactive pay.
It has also been reported that the CR will last through Jan 31. Another part of the deal is that Thune promised the Dems that he would bring up a bill to reinstate the ACA subsidies sometime before the end of December.
IOW, essentially nothing. Basically a "let us alleviate some of the damage that we caused by having our temper tantrum in the first place".
This could have several great results for the Dems.
1. The House will have to vote on this bill from the Senate which will result in seating the 218 House member signing on to force the vote to release the Epstein files. Imagine the GOP being forced to vote on the record to NOT release the files after demands from their base for that to happen.
There are no "Epstein files" outside of kiddie porn. Very few people are interested in that being released to the public.
2. The House will actually have to pass the Senate bill without changes and Trump will have to sign it. Failure of either of those will result in clear blame for the GOP. The Dems in the Senate are not required to vote for any House changes to the bill.
It'll pass the House and be signed by Trump by the middle of this week, no problem.
3. Trump will have to sign the bill that revokes all the firings his administration is doing in the last month making Trump look weak.
There's nothing "weak" about that. In fact, Trump will be very glad to give people back their jobs (if they haven't already "moved on") that the Democrats took away from them due to the Democrats' 40+ day temper tantrum.
4. This gives the GOP only until the end of January to pass all the appropriation bills which they have not been able to pass so far. With taking weeks off for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years, they will likely only have about 4 weeks to pass those bills. If they don't pass them, they will have to try to pass another CR before the end of January to prevent another partial shutdown.
This is where President Trump, the proud lion that he is, knows full well that the filibuster rule needs to be nuked (because Dems WILL do it if they were to get power again). There's probably too many corrupt Republicans to nuke it, though. Republicans are usually weak and feckless (because they like to sell their victories to the highest bidder because they value money more than they value power).
5. If another shutdown occurs not only will it clearly be the fault of the GOP,
You don't know the future, Richard.
but the current legislation funds SNAP through the agriculture funding through the end of the year so that will not be a problem for Dems during a future shutdown. They will have no reason to compromise next shutdown.
They didn't even compromise during THIS shutdown... They capitulated.
6. If Thune reneges on his promise to allow a vote on the Dem bill, the Dems can point to that as proof that the GOP can not be trusted.
A vote will be held, as promised. Dems won't like the result. They'll squeal that it wasn't a "real vote" and they'll still disparage the GOP anyway.
7. The increases in health insurance costs will be in place and the GOP will have either voted to not prevent it or avoided addressing the issue at all making them solely responsible.
The GOP is not responsible for what the Democrats did during all of the years leading up to this moment. Obamacare is being crushed under its own weight, and it's the DEMOCRATS fault because THEY are the ones who implemented it and all of its related policies.
The only way the GOP can possibly save themselves is to somehow prevent a shutdown next year by passing appropriations that they can defend. In order to get that through the Senate they will more than likely have to be through the reconciliation process which clearly places all the blame on the GOP for anything that is unpopular.

Personally, I don't see any way for the GOP to avoid another shutdown in February of next year without them giving some major concessions to the Democrats. Voters may not remember the shutdown from a year ago next November, but if there is an extended shutdown in February they certainly will remember and know exactly who is to blame.
It's easy for the GOP... just nuke the filibuster rule.
 
There is a lot of gnashing of teeth and moaning by the left about how the Dems caved to allow the shutdown to end. But is that really the case?

At the moment, the details of the continuing resolution (CR) the Senate will pass to end the shut down aren't completely known. What is known is that it won't be the exact bill passed by the house. This is what the NYTimes is reporting about the bill:
The compromise measure includes a spending package that would fund the government through January, as well as three separate spending bills to cover programs related to agriculture, military construction and legislative agencies for most of 2026. The package also includes a provision that would reverse layoffs of federal workers made during the shutdown and ensure retroactive pay.
It has also been reported that the CR will last through Jan 31. Another part of the deal is that Thune promised the Dems that he would bring up a bill to reinstate the ACA subsidies sometime before the end of December.

This could have several great results for the Dems.
1. The House will have to vote on this bill from the Senate which will result in seating the 218 House member signing on to force the vote to release the Epstein files. Imagine the GOP being forced to vote on the record to NOT release the files after demands from their base for that to happen.
2. The House will actually have to pass the Senate bill without changes and Trump will have to sign it. Failure of either of those will result in clear blame for the GOP. The Dems in the Senate are not required to vote for any House changes to the bill.
3. Trump will have to sign the bill that revokes all the firings his administration is doing in the last month making Trump look weak.
4. This gives the GOP only until the end of January to pass all the appropriation bills which they have not been able to pass so far. With taking weeks off for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years, they will likely only have about 4 weeks to pass those bills. If they don't pass them, they will have to try to pass another CR before the end of January to prevent another partial shutdown.
5. If another shutdown occurs not only will it clearly be the fault of the GOP, but the current legislation funds SNAP through the agriculture funding through the end of the year so that will not be a problem for Dems during a future shutdown. They will have no reason to compromise next shutdown.
6. If Thune reneges on his promise to allow a vote on the Dem bill, the Dems can point to that as proof that the GOP can not be trusted.
7. The increases in health insurance costs will be in place and the GOP will have either voted to not prevent it or avoided addressing the issue at all making them solely responsible.

The only way the GOP can possibly save themselves is to somehow prevent a shutdown next year by passing appropriations that they can defend. In order to get that through the Senate they will more than likely have to be through the reconciliation process which clearly places all the blame on the GOP for anything that is unpopular.

Personally, I don't see any way for the GOP to avoid another shutdown in February of next year without them giving some major concessions to the Democrats. Voters may not remember the shutdown from a year ago next November, but if there is an extended shutdown in February they certainly will remember and know exactly who is to blame.
most dems seem upset.

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There is a lot of gnashing of teeth and moaning by the left about how the Dems caved to allow the shutdown to end. But is that really the case?

At the moment, the details of the continuing resolution (CR) the Senate will pass to end the shut down aren't completely known. What is known is that it won't be the exact bill passed by the house. This is what the NYTimes is reporting about the bill:
The compromise measure includes a spending package that would fund the government through January, as well as three separate spending bills to cover programs related to agriculture, military construction and legislative agencies for most of 2026. The package also includes a provision that would reverse layoffs of federal workers made during the shutdown and ensure retroactive pay.
It has also been reported that the CR will last through Jan 31. Another part of the deal is that Thune promised the Dems that he would bring up a bill to reinstate the ACA subsidies sometime before the end of December.

This could have several great results for the Dems.
1. The House will have to vote on this bill from the Senate which will result in seating the 218 House member signing on to force the vote to release the Epstein files. Imagine the GOP being forced to vote on the record to NOT release the files after demands from their base for that to happen.
2. The House will actually have to pass the Senate bill without changes and Trump will have to sign it. Failure of either of those will result in clear blame for the GOP. The Dems in the Senate are not required to vote for any House changes to the bill.
3. Trump will have to sign the bill that revokes all the firings his administration is doing in the last month making Trump look weak.
4. This gives the GOP only until the end of January to pass all the appropriation bills which they have not been able to pass so far. With taking weeks off for Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years, they will likely only have about 4 weeks to pass those bills. If they don't pass them, they will have to try to pass another CR before the end of January to prevent another partial shutdown.
5. If another shutdown occurs not only will it clearly be the fault of the GOP, but the current legislation funds SNAP through the agriculture funding through the end of the year so that will not be a problem for Dems during a future shutdown. They will have no reason to compromise next shutdown.
6. If Thune reneges on his promise to allow a vote on the Dem bill, the Dems can point to that as proof that the GOP can not be trusted.
7. The increases in health insurance costs will be in place and the GOP will have either voted to not prevent it or avoided addressing the issue at all making them solely responsible.

The only way the GOP can possibly save themselves is to somehow prevent a shutdown next year by passing appropriations that they can defend. In order to get that through the Senate they will more than likely have to be through the reconciliation process which clearly places all the blame on the GOP for anything that is unpopular.

Personally, I don't see any way for the GOP to avoid another shutdown in February of next year without them giving some major concessions to the Democrats. Voters may not remember the shutdown from a year ago next November, but if there is an extended shutdown in February they certainly will remember and know exactly who is to blame.
The ACA issue isn’t going away. Americans have a short memory, but the closer to midterms we get, the more the GOP places themselves at risk. And Dem candidates will make it a central campaign issue.

The economy isn’t likely to get any better, either. Plus, everything I read says we are on the verge of a stock market collapse, as well.
 
Yes, there is.

Yes, it is. They got nothing meaningful in return for their childish 40+ day temper tantrum.

Right. The "end date" is being changed to the end of January. There's not much more in changes beyond that and some federal workers getting their jobs back (with back pay) IF they haven't already found new jobs in the meantime.
The end date doesn't cause the appropriation bills to be passed. As to what is actually in the bill, the GOP will have to pass it first before we can see what is in it.
IOW, essentially nothing. Basically a "let us alleviate some of the damage that we caused by having our temper tantrum in the first place".

There are no "Epstein files" outside of kiddie porn. Very few people are interested in that being released to the public.
Are you telling us all you cult members and Pam Bondi have been lying to us?
It'll pass the House and be signed by Trump by the middle of this week, no problem.
Care to bet on that? It will be lucky to have passed the Senate by Wednesday since the vote yesterday was just to bring it to the floor for debate. Today is a day for Senators to give 20 minute speeches.
There's nothing "weak" about that. In fact, Trump will be very glad to give people back their jobs (if they haven't already "moved on") that the Democrats took away from them due to the Democrats' 40+ day temper tantrum.
It seems you don't know who the boss is in the executive branch? Is that a result of you being in a cult? The Democrats didn't let anyone go.
This is where President Trump, the proud lion that he is, knows full well that the filibuster rule needs to be nuked (because Dems WILL do it if they were to get power again). There's probably too many corrupt Republicans to nuke it, though. Republicans are usually weak and feckless (because they like to sell their victories to the highest bidder because they value money more than they value power).
Being in a cult certainly makes you delusional. Do proud lions go golfing when the government is closed?
You don't know the future, Richard.
That's funny since in this very post you tried to tell us the future would be the House would pass the bill by the middle of the week. A House that hasn't even scheduled to be open this week.
They didn't even compromise during THIS shutdown... They capitulated.
I realize reading is hard for you but this shows a complete inability to comprehend the English language.
A vote will be held, as promised. Dems won't like the result. They'll squeal that it wasn't a "real vote" and they'll still disparage the GOP anyway.
The GOP will denigrate themselves by the vote.
The GOP is not responsible for what the Democrats did during all of the years leading up to this moment. Obamacare is being crushed under its own weight, and it's the DEMOCRATS fault because THEY are the ones who implemented it and all of its related policies.
The GOP is responsible for what they failed to do. They have been promising a replacement for quite some time with no plan in sight. Most Americans aren't as stupid as you are.
It's easy for the GOP... just nuke the filibuster rule.
Sure. But you do understand that means that if the Dems win both houses and the Presidency in 2028, you will only have yourself to blame for anything they pass.
 
Poor Richard is so deliciously wedged in fjords of Dem conflicted stupidity.

the base is stupid and just wants to destroy things.

the good Dems voted to open the government, but the base is convinced that is bad.

poor Richard is really a sympathetic figure trying to square the circle.

:evilnod:

:magagrin:


poor poor Richard.

the moniker rings true.

synchronicities of truth are ringing forth loudly, heralding the coming of awesomeness.
 
Poor Richard is so deliciously wedged in fjords of Dem conflicted stupidity.

the base is stupid and just wants to destroy things.

the good Dems voted to open the government, but the base is convinced that is bad.

poor Richard is really a sympathetic figure trying to square the circle.

:evilnod:

:magagrin:


poor poor Richard.

the moniker rings true.

synchronicities of truth are ringing forth loudly, heralding the coming of awesomeness.
It's amazing how unable you are to understand complex thinking. But that seems to be common with those on the right.
 
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