A beginner's guide to being an atheist, by Richard Dawkins

Cypress said:
:lolup: ftfy.... Complains when I don't use Google, and then also complains when I do use Google to provide corroborating sources.

Who besides you needs sources to prove lion prides will not share their kill with rival prides, and that exposing babies and human sacrifice was a widely accepted practice in the ancient world?
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He's a silly boy who has a weird attraction to you.
 
The origins of human morality go back hundreds of thousands of years, where mutual cooperation, sharing, a sense of community, of right and wrong within the clan, were necessary for survival.

Today, we have religions that practice the antithesis of that original human morality.
 
domer76 said:
Nope, sure didn’t. You merely are unable to follow a simple thread and have to insert your own twisted take on things that were never said.

What I DID SAY and the ONLY THING I said was that morality predates any and all religions by a hundred thousand years or more. You can argue with cultural anthropologists on that, Jethro.
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Your refusal to discuss it is noted....as I guessed on most atheists. :)
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Your refusal to discuss it is noted....as I guessed on most atheists. :)
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Let’s repeat:

Human morality developed sans religion. Religion is unnecessary for a human moral code. Religion often works against common decency and proper moral conduct.

Clear on that? Simple. Concise.

Now, go ahead and twist it as you are wont to do.
 
domer76 said:
The origins of human morality go back hundreds of thousands of years, where mutual cooperation, sharing, a sense of community, of right and wrong within the clan, were necessary for survival.
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For the deeply religious, it is like evolution. They cannot accept animal logic for their morality. Their morality MUSt come from some noble thing like GOD.
 
gmark77 said:
They cannot accept animal logic for their morality!:cuss:
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ftfy. ..Ants, beavers, and platypus' don't have morality.

They have instincts.

Humans behave in ways that are completely contrary to scientific Darwinian principles. Oscar Schindler and Georgio Perlasca are two of billions of examples. We know what we "ought" to do, even when we don't want to do it. That's strange.

Quarks and electrons do not have morality. So the question as to why a moral law is imprinted on the human moral conscience remains an unanswered question. The motions of subatomic particles in our brain do not explain love and self sacrifice for strangers. I don't think you can invoke strict physical materialism to explain it.
 
domer76 said:
Let’s repeat:

Human morality developed sans religion. Religion is unnecessary for a human moral code. Religion often works against common decency and proper moral conduct.

Clear on that? Simple. Concise.

Now, go ahead and twist it as you are wont to do.
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Let's repeat: All morality is relative. There is no God, no religion, nothing but what we logically define with our minds. You choose to let people suffer. IDK why, but suspect it's because you don't give a shit. Fine, your choice.
 
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PERRY PENIS-PULLER said:
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gmark77 said:
:cuss: The liar speaks!:cuss:
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ftfy
There's a moral law imprinted on the human conscience telling us what we "ought" to do, even when we frequently don't want to do it - usually for reasons of self-preservation or self interest. That's strange, and there is no explanation involving quarks and electrons which adequately explains it.
 
Cypress said:
So wrapping up, there is no adequate explanation from the materialist point of view for how electrons and quarks create a human moral conscience, one which is often in direct conflict with scientific Darwinian principles.
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Hey, liar, you forgot to put "ftfy" before you fucked with my post.

Why are you inerrantly dishonest?
 
Cypress said:
ftfy
There's a moral law imprinted on the human conscience telling us what we "ought" to do, even when we frequently don't want to do it - usually for reasons of self-preservation or self interest. That's strange, and there is no explanation involving quarks and electrons which adequately explains it.
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Gotta have quarks and electrons and hydrogen bonding before humans and their consciousness can exist.
 
domer76 said:
God is merely an evolving human idea. Notice that any culture’s god is a reflection of that culture. Not the other way around
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It always fascinates me when people think morality is something "special". It is literally just the way social networks develop and remain stable. Nothing more, nothing less. Evolutionary theory in action. Improve survival for social animals by ensuring stable social networks.
 
Cypress said:
ftfy...So wrapping up, there is no adequate explanation from the materialist point of view for how electrons and quarks create a human moral conscience, one which is often in direct conflict with scientific Darwinian principles.
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You know my take, although I wouldn't call it more than that.
The universe has to be infinite because something, even if it's a vacuum, has to exist beyond every boundary.

In an infinite universe, everything that's physically possible to exist will likely exist,
and that includes an organism with an apparent moral conscience.

I also have an admitted prejudice pertaining to the matter.
I would be miserable thinking that this universe was on purpose.
The "creator" would have to be The Supreme Villain.
I'd rather live with the "everything is random" theory.
 
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