Abortion

TOP said:
Scott said:
Alright, I'll put up a hypothetical situation- I have no children or a partner at this point in time, but if I had a partner and she got pregnant, I'd certainly like to opine on whether or not she should have the baby, but I would respect her decision regardless of what I thought was best. For me, the reason is simple- I'm not the one carrying zygote/embryo/fetus. For me, I think my veto power should end the moment I give my seed in a way where conception is possible and the female does nothing to make it more possible, assuming I don't want a child. I should note that I'm definitely against forced fatherhood as defined by Wikipedia:
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Forced fatherhood or imposed paternity, occurs when a man becomes a father against his will or without his consent. It can include deception by a partner about her ability to get pregnant or use of contraceptives, birth control sabotage, paternity fraud and sexual assaults of males that result in pregnancy.

"Sperm theft" (also known as "unauthorized use of sperm", "spermjacking" or "spurgling" (a portmanteau of sperm and burgling)), refers to a specific form of forced fatherhood in which a man's semen is used to impregnate a woman without his consent. Although the term uses the word "theft", it more closely falls under a state of fraud or breach of contract.
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Source:

Forced fatherhood - Wikipedia

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Each situation is different, depending on the two individuals involved...
I think you have to keep in that in mind...Your opinion is very thoughtful and I respect it... But if you find yourself in that actual scenario, you might find it to be a bit more complicated...
Termination of an unborn child is something that both will have to deal with for their lifetime...
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In my particular case, I don't think it'd be that hard. Perhaps the reason is that the final decision wouldn't be mine to make. Don't get me wrong, if my theoretical partner were to make a decision I didn't agree with, I can certainly see this leading to separation, but I would never question that my partner should be the one to make the final decision.

TOP said:
Forced parenthood is never a good thing...
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On that, we're in full agreement :-).
 
TOP said:
Scott said:
Margot said:
TOP said:
I think if a man is involved because it is his child he should have toa voice aboutvthe decision..
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If only your parents had practiced abortion
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I've seen some people on both sides of the political divide say this type of thing to TOP and others. I don't understand why. Especially when it comes to TOP. I've seen TOP post in various places and she's been pretty nice. Anyway, I believe you're now the second woman in this thread. gfm believes you are on the left, so would I be right in my guess that you believe women should have the choice to have abortions?
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I appreciate your comment...
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Thanks :-)

TOP said:
I just scroll by that kind of nonsense... Personal attacks on strangers here are just silly...
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Happens a lot on the internet unfortunately :-/. I don't really understand why it happens so much. Perhaps it's frustration that other people don't see things their way or something to that effect. You know, I studied computer programming in college- I never finished the course, but as the years have gone by, I've thought that what I actually like doing is studying people, trying to understand why they believe what they believe and yes, if I think they're mistaken, trying to change what they believe. That last one though, man is it hard. I've been writing in online forums for over 3 decades and I've rarely changed people's minds on most things. That being said, I have certainly learned a lot from all the conversations I've had and I never forget that talking to others is a privilege, not a right, so I try pretty hard to keep things civil.
 
Scott said:
Thanks :-)



Happens a lot on the internet unfortunately :-/. I don't really understand why it happens so much. Perhaps it's frustration that other people don't see things their way or something to that effect. You know, I studied computer programming in college- I never finished the course, but as the years have gone by, I've thought that what I actually like doing is studying people, trying to understand why they believe what they believe and yes, if I think they're mistaken, trying to change what they believe. That last one though, man is it hard. I've been writing in online forums for over 3 decades and I've rarely changed people's minds on most things. That being said, I have certainly learned a lot from all the conversations I've had and I never forget that talking to others is a privilege, not a right, so I try pretty hard to keep things civil.
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Civil doesn't work well on JPP! The answer of my first post ever here,was I was a "cum gargler"! But try to take the high road!
 
Margot said:
Scott said:
TOP said:
Personal attacks on strangers here are just silly...
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Happens a lot on the internet unfortunately :-/. I don't really understand why it happens so much. Perhaps it's frustration that other people don't see things their way or something to that effect. You know, I studied computer programming in college- I never finished the course, but as the years have gone by, I've thought that what I actually like doing is studying people, trying to understand why they believe what they believe and yes, if I think they're mistaken, trying to change what they believe. That last one though, man is it hard. I've been writing in online forums for over 3 decades and I've rarely changed people's minds on most things. That being said, I have certainly learned a lot from all the conversations I've had and I never forget that talking to others is a privilege, not a right, so I try pretty hard to keep things civil.
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Civil doesn't work well on JPP! The answer of my first post ever here,was I was a "cum gargler"! But try to take the high road!
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I'm well aware that some people here can be quite rude- certainly had my share of insults. But I've also come to the conclusion over my years here that staying civil does have benefits, especially in the long term. I admit it's taken some time, but I've found that my persistence in remaining civil has resulted in some people who -used- to insult me on a regular basis stop doing so. I think the best example I can think of is Dutch Uncle. He was literally the first person I thread banned back when posters could thread ban people from their threads. But recently, it seems he's decided to stop insulting me- I believe there was even one incident where he seemed to be trying to subtly reign in another poster who was insulting me. Part of it may be that he's realized that we don't always disagree, but I like to think that part of it is also my refusal to play the insult game.
 
Scott said:
I think you've made your position clear on this before, but your response just now when I brought up my belief that TOP was the only woman in this thread got me to think- you aren't actually a woman are you Dutch?
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Maybe to you, but not everyone.

Why do you care, Scottie? I'm married. Are you looking for a date on JPP??? TOP is single. Do you want me to send you her picture? :thup:

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Scott said:
I'm well aware that some people here can be quite rude- certainly had my share of insults. But I've also come to the conclusion over my years here that staying civil does have benefits, especially in the long term. I admit it's taken some time, but I've found that my persistence in remaining civil has resulted in some people who -used- to insult me on a regular basis stop doing so. I think the best example I can think of is Dutch Uncle. He was literally the first person I thread banned back when posters could thread ban people from their threads. But recently, it seems he's decided to stop insulting me- I believe there was even one incident where he seemed to be trying to subtly reign in another poster who was insulting me. Part of it may be that he's realized that we don't always disagree, but I like to think that part of it is also my refusal to play the insult game.
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That's awesome..... It's Much nicer just to be able to debate discuss chat etc without all the personal insults amd threats... While finding common ground may not be a possibility in my situation here , I will always be civil and respectful... That's a combination of upbringing And Many years of teaching.... It sounds as though you might be able to say the same thing... I'm guessing that your Career involved to working with people as well...
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Scott said:
I think you've made your position clear on this before, but your response just now when I brought up my belief that TOP was the only woman in this thread got me to think- you aren't actually a woman are you Dutch?
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Maybe to you, but not everyone.
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I'm going to assume by your response that you're male as I had previously assumed.

Dutch Uncle said:
Why do you care, Scottie?
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As I mentioned with TOP, I think hearing what women have to say on the subject of abortion is important. So far, only one woman has clarified their stance on abortion here- TOP herself. If you were also a woman, that'd make 2.
 
Into the Night said:
They don't. Vaccines don't prevent infection. That's now how they work.
What they do (for the useful ones at least!) is to mitigate an infection if one does occur, possibly even to the point that normal symptoms simply don't appear at all (because the infection never gets that far to cause them!).

This is the same thing that happens when you contract an infection for the first time from a virus. Thereafter, you are 'inoculated' just as if you had received the vaccine. Any further infections will be mitigated in the same way.

A vaccination is good for one virus. There are thousands of varieties out there (maybe millions). Viruses are generally group in large families like the rhinovirus series, the influenza series, the covid/SARS series, etc.

The purpose of a vaccine (or in the case of the Covid mRNA treatment, which is not a vaccine), is to train your system to recognize the real thing and create antigens against it. Thereafter, your body remembers this antigen pattern and can recreate it from the special stem cells saved for this purpose in a short time. These are tiny surgical attacks on a specific virus or cell infected with that virus, and not the tank like attack the white blood cells use (which cause the symptoms from cell damage).

There is some question to the effectiveness of the Covid mRNA treatments compared with the risks of using this treatment.
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I know that but that's a hair split from the point.
 
TOP said:
Scott said:
Margot said:
Civil doesn't work well on JPP! The answer of my first post ever here,was I was a "cum gargler"! But try to take the high road!
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I'm well aware that some people here can be quite rude- certainly had my share of insults. But I've also come to the conclusion over my years here that staying civil does have benefits, especially in the long term. I admit it's taken some time, but I've found that my persistence in remaining civil has resulted in some people who -used- to insult me on a regular basis stop doing so. I think the best example I can think of is Dutch Uncle. He was literally the first person I thread banned back when posters could thread ban people from their threads. But recently, it seems he's decided to stop insulting me- I believe there was even one incident where he seemed to be trying to subtly reign in another poster who was insulting me. Part of it may be that he's realized that we don't always disagree, but I like to think that part of it is also my refusal to play the insult game.
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That's awesome..... It's Much nicer just to be able to debate discuss chat etc without all the personal insults amd threats... While finding common ground may not be a possibility in my situation here , I will always be civil and respectful... That's a combination of upbringing And Many years of teaching.... It sounds as though you might be able to say the same thing... I'm guessing that your Career involved to working with people as well...
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Like you, I'm a teacher- and English teacher in my case. And yes, I've always found that the best way to discuss anything is civilly. Also, while it's great when people agree on things, I've found that most of the conversations I've had here are with people I disagree with on a given subject. Agreements frequently lead to very short interactions:
Me: "I believe this"
Other poster: "So do I!"
Me: likes post

And that's that :-p.
 
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Scott said:
Like you, I'm a teacher- and English teacher in my case. And yes, I've always found that the best way to discuss anything is civilly. Also, while it's great when people agree on things, I've found that most of the conversations I've had here are with people I disagree with on a given subject. Agreements frequently lead to very short interactions:
Me: "I believe this"
Other poster: "So do I!"
Me: likes post

And that's that :-p.
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I thought so...Special Ed teacher, middle and mostly high school...
(I don't have quite the same luck when it comes to chatting agreeably and being on a similar page...someone always seems to pop up to try to derail...(as they did here)...Pretty easily dismissed, though...)
 
TOP said:
Scott said:
Like you, I'm a teacher- and English teacher in my case. And yes, I've always found that the best way to discuss anything is civilly. Also, while it's great when people agree on things, I've found that most of the conversations I've had here are with people I disagree with on a given subject. Agreements frequently lead to very short interactions:
Me: "I believe this"
Other poster: "So do I!"
Me: likes post

And that's that.
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I thought so...Special Ed teacher, middle and mostly high school...
(I don't have quite the same luck when it comes to chatting agreeably and being on a similar page...someone always seems to pop up to try to derail...(as they did here)...Pretty easily dismissed, though...)
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Oh, I get the derailers too, or perhaps more accurately, derailing posts- the same posters can also have interesting things to say sometimes too. I tend to not pay them much mind at this point. I decided to respond to Margot, though, because she's the only other woman I know who's ventured into this thread and since I think woman should have the final say on whether they should have abortions, I'm more interested in their opinions on the matter than that of men.
 
Scott said:
Oh, I get the derailers too, or perhaps more accurately, derailing posts- the same posters can also have interesting things to say sometimes too. I tend to not pay them much mind at this point. I decided to respond to Margot, though, because she's the only other woman I know who's ventured into this thread and since I think woman should have the final say on whether they should have abortions, I'm more interested in their opinions on the matter than that of men.
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Margot is
Scott said:
Oh, I get the derailers too, or perhaps more accurately, derailing posts- the same posters can also have interesting things to say sometimes too. I tend to not pay them much mind at this point. I decided to respond to Margot, though, because she's the only other woman I know who's ventured into this thread and since I think woman should have the final say on whether they should have abortions, I'm more interested in their opinions on the matter than that of men.
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Just FYI...Margot is not a woman...
 
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