Into the Night
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Irrelevant. Abortion is taking the life of a human being.
Abortion
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IBDaMann
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You don't get to disagree. If you are referring to "electrons" then you are referring to standard science models, and in those models, electrons do not have consciousness.
Are you, perhaps, using some bizarre, non-standard model of reality that you have not explained?
Into the Night
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Into the Night
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They don't. Vaccines don't prevent infection. That's now how they work.
What they do (for the useful ones at least!) is to mitigate an infection if one does occur, possibly even to the point that normal symptoms simply don't appear at all (because the infection never gets that far to cause them!).
This is the same thing that happens when you contract an infection for the first time from a virus. Thereafter, you are 'inoculated' just as if you had received the vaccine. Any further infections will be mitigated in the same way.
A vaccination is good for one virus. There are thousands of varieties out there (maybe millions). Viruses are generally group in large families like the rhinovirus series, the influenza series, the covid/SARS series, etc.
The purpose of a vaccine (or in the case of the Covid mRNA treatment, which is not a vaccine), is to train your system to recognize the real thing and create antigens against it. Thereafter, your body remembers this antigen pattern and can recreate it from the special stem cells saved for this purpose in a short time. These are tiny surgical attacks on a specific virus or cell infected with that virus, and not the tank like attack the white blood cells use (which cause the symptoms from cell damage).
There is some question to the effectiveness of the Covid mRNA treatments compared with the risks of using this treatment.
Scott
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Technically, one of the definitions of abortion is miscarriages:
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- noun Miscarriage; the expulsion of the fetus before it is viable—that is, in women, before about the 28th week of gestation.
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That being said, I think we can agree that it is more common to call such abortions miscarriages, as you have. If one wants to be extra sure that people understand what type of abortion is being referred to, one can add the word "induced" before abortion.
TOP
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I was referring to miscarriages that are not induced , so no... not an abortion... But in any case , it's the loss of a child...Technically, one of the definitions of abortion is miscarriages:
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- noun Miscarriage; the expulsion of the fetus before it is viable—that is, in women, before about the 28th week of gestation.
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That being said, I think we can agree that it is more common to call such abortions miscarriages, as you have. If one wants to be extra sure that people understand what type of abortion is being referred to, one can add the word "induced" before abortion.
Scott
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I was referring to miscarriages that are not induced , so no... not an abortion... But in any case , it's the loss of a child...Technically, one of the definitions of abortion is miscarriages:
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- noun Miscarriage; the expulsion of the fetus before it is viable—that is, in women, before about the 28th week of gestation.
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That being said, I think we can agree that it is more common to call such abortions miscarriages, as you have. If one wants to be extra sure that people understand what type of abortion is being referred to, one can add the word "induced" before abortion.
Certainly not an induced abortion. In any case, it seems you haven't actually weighed in on whether you believe women should be able to have induced abortions. It seems that you are the only actual woman in this thread, so I'd certainly appreciate your view on this, if you'd care to share.
TOP
Retired Teacher
I prefer that women do not choose abortion unless there are obvious life threatening reasons.. to either the mother or the baby... That being said it still remains their choice and something that if they choose to live with That decision , they have the right to make.... There are alternatives Which I encourage...and of course it's much easier to just avoid having to make that decision By being very responsible for one's reproductive health...
Dutch Uncle
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I support abortion. The 24th week limit was medically reasonable as is in the case of saving the mother, incest, rape, dead fetus, etc.
OTOH, in the case of a Civil War, I support post-birth abortions for traitors and domestic enemies of the Constitution.
Scott
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I can imagine
. I also have disagreements with them, though on -this- issue, I suspect I'd find some agreement. But generally speaking, I'm not one to invite people I don't really consider to be friends into a conversation unless I'm actually talking about said person in the thread.
Scott
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I had actually thought JadeDragon was a man, thanks for clueing me in
. I had also thought Life is Golden was a man, now you've got me wondering. But yeah, judging on what we know, it appears there aren't many women here and that more of these women are on the left than right.It appears Margot has chosen to pass on this thread too, at least if no one closer to her asks. I don't know her very well myself.
Scott
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Your point of view furthers what I've believed for a while- when it comes to women, even those who are generally on the right are far more sympathetic to women having abortions if they so choose. As I mentioned earlier, I remember some very young and beautiful woman on the right being cast out of right wing circles because she finally came out as wanting women to have the right to choose whether or not to have an abortion.
So, the main force behind forcing women to have abortions is men. I can't help but think that it's part of a pattern going back to when women were considered property and not allowed to vote.
TOP
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I think if a man is involved because it is his child he should have toa voice aboutvthe decision..
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Scott
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I think you've made your position clear on this before, but your response just now when I brought up my belief that TOP was the only woman in this thread got me to think- you aren't actually a woman are you Dutch?
Scott
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Alright, I'll put up a hypothetical situation- I have no children or a partner at this point in time, but if I had a partner and she got pregnant, I'd certainly like to opine on whether or not she should have the baby, but I would respect her decision regardless of what I thought was best. For me, the reason is simple- I'm not the one carrying zygote/embryo/fetus. For me, I think my veto power should end the moment I give my seed in a way where conception is possible and the female does nothing to make it more possible, assuming I don't want a child. I should note that I'm definitely against forced fatherhood as defined by Wikipedia:
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Forced fatherhood or imposed paternity, occurs when a man becomes a father against his will or without his consent. It can include deception by a partner about her ability to get pregnant or use of contraceptives, birth control sabotage, paternity fraud and sexual assaults of males that result in pregnancy.
"Sperm theft" (also known as "unauthorized use of sperm", "spermjacking" or "spurgling" (a portmanteau of sperm and burgling)), refers to a specific form of forced fatherhood in which a man's semen is used to impregnate a woman without his consent. Although the term uses the word "theft", it more closely falls under a state of fraud or breach of contract.
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Forced fatherhood - Wikipedia
TOP
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Each situation is different, depending on the two individuals involved...Alright, I'll put up a hypothetical situation- I have no children or a partner at this point in time for that matter, but if I had a partner and she got pregnant, I'd certainly like to opine on whether or not she should have the baby, but I would respect her decision regardless of what I thought was best. For me, the reason is simple- I'm not the one carrying zygote/embryo/fetus. For me, I think my veto power should end the moment I give my seed in a way where conception is likely. I should note that I'm definitely against forced fatherhood as defined by Wikipedia:
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Forced fatherhood or imposed paternity, occurs when a man becomes a father against his will or without his consent. It can include deception by a partner about her ability to get pregnant or use of contraceptives, birth control sabotage, paternity fraud and sexual assaults of males that result in pregnancy.
"Sperm theft" (also known as "unauthorized use of sperm", "spermjacking" or "spurgling" (a portmanteau of sperm and burgling)), refers to a specific form of forced fatherhood in which a man's semen is used to impregnate a woman without his consent. Although the term uses the word "theft", it more closely falls under a state of fraud or breach of contract.
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Forced fatherhood - Wikipedia
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I think you have to keep in that in mind...Your opinion is very thoughtful and I respect it... But if you find yourself in that actual scenario, you might find it to be a bit more complicated...
Termination of an unborn child is something that both will have to deal with for their lifetime...
Forced parenthood is never a good thing...
Scott
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I've seen some people on both sides of the political divide say this type of thing to TOP and others. I don't understand why. Especially when it comes to TOP. I've seen TOP post in various places and she's been pretty nice. Anyway, I believe you're now the second woman in this thread. gfm believes you are on the left, so would I be right in my guess that you believe women should have the choice to have abortions?
TOP
Retired Teacher
I appreciate your comment... I just scroll by that kind of nonsense... Personal attacks on strangers here are just silly...