IEA warns US about making rash decisions over oil spill

tom prendergast said:
I care about Piper Alpha, Bhopal, Agent Orange in Vietnam, white phosphorus in Fallujah, cluster bombs in densely populated areas in Iraq and many others disgusting incidents perpetrated by the US. The oil spill was just an accident, yet it has been turned into another 9/11 by many in the US. I had considered you to be a rational and objective individual yet this shows you to be otherwise.
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We don't "Now clean up our Gulf you dirty Brit"
 
tom prendergast said:
So you are an expert on the offshore drilling practices now? U.S. regulators don't mandate the use of the remote-control device on offshore rigs, and the Deepwater Horizon, hired by BP and operated by Transocean, didn't have one. So I would say that both the US government and Transocean are equally guilty. It all very well blaming Cheney but he is not around any more.

The efficacy of the devices is unclear. Major offshore oil-well blow-outs are rare, and it remains unclear whether acoustic switches have ever been put to the test in a real-world accident. When wells do surge out of control, the primary shut-off systems almost always work. Remote control systems such as the acoustic valve, which have been tested in simulations, are intended as a last resort. The blind/shear rams, the ‘business end’ of the BOP failed, presumably jammed; so how would an alternate switching device have closed them? We have all seen the video of the ROV attempting to operate the rams manually to no effect. Does your “acoustical valve” work by magic? So unless you know something that is not available to experts in the oil industry then you are just parroting an opinion from some blog or other.
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Long strings would be rare if BP didn't use them on exploration wells, Exxon doesn't, Chevron doesn't, Shell doesn't. Only the cheap ass Brits do
 
tom prendergast said:
So you can't pidgeonhole me, well that's got to be a good thing as far as I'm concerned. From a British point of view, it is almost inevitable that somebody will use the anti-American card sooner or later, you just used it sooner, no real surprise there. I will see your card and raise you an anti-British one.
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BP isn't British anymore. They changed their logo and their name to avoid the link with just one country. It is brits that have made this about them. I am sorry that so many in your country have retirement accounts linked heavily to BP, but this isn't the British people or their government's fault, this was an accident that the people in charge of BP downplayed and lied about and which went from bad to horrible. Fuck sakes, right after it happened we in the US were told "only a few" tar balls would wash up on shore.
 
Socrtease said:
BP isn't British anymore. They changed their logo and their name to avoid the link with just one country. It is brits that have made this about them. I am sorry that so many in your country have retirement accounts linked heavily to BP, but this isn't the British people or their government's fault, this was an accident that the people in charge of BP downplayed and lied about and which went from bad to horrible. Fuck sakes, right after it happened we in the US were told "only a few" tar balls would wash up on shore.
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The problem crocked tooth Tom has is BP is the only Fortune 100 company that shitty Island has.
 
tom prendergast said:
The only thing you talk is pure bullshit.
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Not shocking that a crocked tooth Brit doesn't like to hear fact about how that piece of shit company BP fucked it up all by themselves. Don't let facts get in the way of your blind defense of the indefensible. tool
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
It's amazing how full of it you are when your nationalistic button get's pushed.

I'm tired of either doing others homework or wasting time repeating known facts for those who hope they'll find fault...the press has more than detailed that BP DID NOT have the acoustical safety valve that would have shut off the oil...and they were drilling 7,000 feet deeper than permitted. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

Like I said before, BP cut corners for the bucks...but they did so with the collusion of the US gov't via deregulation put forth by Dick Cheney. Like it or not, Tom...BP made the decisions, and must be held accountable.
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USFREEDOM911 said:
Let me get this straight:

BP followed the rules and regulations; because an accident occured, they need to be held accoutable!!

Is that what you're saying?
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What part of "cut corners" don't you understand. What part of "....deeper than permitted"...don't you understand?

And if you are going to let BP off the hook entirely, are you willing to lay the blame on your god Dick Cheney and all the Shrub appointees to the MMS for giving them the option to cut those corners?
 
Taichiliberal said:
What part of "cut corners" don't you understand. What part of "....deeper than permitted"...don't you understand?

And if you are going to let BP off the hook entirely, are you willing to lay the blame on your god Dick Cheney and all the Shrub appointees to the MMS for giving them the option to cut those corners?
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BP has been mugged and shaken down without any recourse to due process or any official inquiry. I think they will have a good legal case in future against the government.
 
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tom prendergast said:
So you are an expert on the offshore drilling practices now? U.S. regulators don't mandate the use of the remote-control device on offshore rigs, and the Deepwater Horizon, hired by BP and operated by Transocean, didn't have one. So I would say that both the US government and Transocean are equally guilty. It all very well blaming Cheney but he is not around any more.

So you're the expert now Tom? More like your an apologist for BP. I don't pretend to be an expert....I'm going by information being obtained and researched, and guess what Tommy boy? When you contract someone to do your work for you, YOU are held liable to a degree as well for that contractor's actions. And by US law, just because you are no longer in office doesn't mean you can't be brought up to testify for the very actions that caused this catastrophe...but that's only if our local gov't has the stones to do so. If you doubt me, just do some homework as to the Bophal incident with Union Carbide and Dow Chemical.

The efficacy of the devices is unclear. Major offshore oil-well blow-outs are rare, and it remains unclear whether acoustic switches have ever been put to the test in a real-world accident. When wells do surge out of control, the primary shut-off systems almost always work. Remote control systems such as the acoustic valve, which have been tested in simulations, are intended as a last resort. The blind/shear rams, the ‘business end’ of the BOP failed, presumably jammed; so how would an alternate switching device have closed them? We have all seen the video of the ROV attempting to operate the rams manually to no effect. Does your “acoustical valve” work by magic? So unless you know something that is not available to experts in the oil industry then you are just parroting an opinion from some blog or other. I would also add that although they are used in the Norwegian sector of the North Sea, they are not used in the UK sector.

So are you going to respond?
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The primary drive of your little diatribe here is "would have, might have, could have, should have, etc., etc." So by your "logic" there is no point in implementing a back-up safety device because the primary one "almost always works".

Are you shitting me? That's the same stupid ass excuse our auto industry used to forgo the expense of airbag installation because seat belts alone "almost always worked".

Well toodles, we're witnessing the failure of your logic..and it's just plain silly.

Other countries (Norway, Brazil) are smart enough to take the precaution in order to prevent just what we're seeing in the Gulf today. Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but that is NO excuse to cut a corner for profit....because it only takes ONE time for disaster, and saying "I told you so" is little solace.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
What part of "cut corners" don't you understand. What part of "....deeper than permitted"...don't you understand?

And if you are going to let BP off the hook entirely, are you willing to lay the blame on your god Dick Cheney and all the Shrub
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appointees to the MMS for giving them the option to cut those corners?

tom prendergast said:
BP has been mugged and shaken down without any recourse to due process or any official inquiry. I think they will have a good legal case in future against the government.
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Interesting how you totally avoided the logic and accuracy of my response to Freedumb so you could just regurgitate a moronic talking point that one of our Senators had to apologize for.
 
Taichiliberal said:
The primary drive of your little diatribe here is "would have, might have, could have, should have, etc., etc." So by your "logic" there is no point in implementing a back-up safety device because the primary one "almost always works".

Are you shitting me? That's the same stupid ass excuse our auto industry used to forgo the expense of airbag installation because seat belts alone "almost always worked".

Well toodles, we're witnessing the failure of your logic..and it's just plain silly.

Other countries (Norway, Brazil) are smart enough to take the precaution in order to prevent just what we're seeing in the Gulf today. Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but that is NO excuse to cut a corner for profit....because it only takes ONE time for disaster, and saying "I told you so" is little solace.
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It is plainly obvious that you didn't understand what I was saying.
 
Taichiliberal said:
The primary drive of your little diatribe here is "would have, might have, could have, should have, etc., etc." So by your "logic" there is no point in implementing a back-up safety device because the primary one "almost always works".

Are you shitting me? That's the same stupid ass excuse our auto industry used to forgo the expense of airbag installation because seat belts alone "almost always worked".

Well toodles, we're witnessing the failure of your logic..and it's just plain silly.

Other countries (Norway, Brazil) are smart enough to take the precaution in order to prevent just what we're seeing in the Gulf today. Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but that is NO excuse to cut a corner for profit....because it only takes ONE time for disaster, and saying "I told you so" is little solace.
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I am not an expert on deepwater drilling but I have a scientific background, can read and I have a brother who works for Shell. I suggest that you do some background reading before going on another rant. The acoustic backup device that you set such store by wouldn't have worked. It is only a switch activated by sound and if the mechanics have failed, then it is not going to switch anything.
 
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tom prendergast said:
BP has been mugged and shaken down without any recourse to due process or any official inquiry. I think they will have a good legal case in future against the government.
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I won't go into the gayness there. Bp will at best stave off bankruptcy. It's not surprising your a cellphone tech because your understanding of business is a joke. So are BP safety policies.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
The primary drive of your little diatribe here is "would have, might have, could have, should have, etc., etc." So by your "logic" there is no point in implementing a back-up safety device because the primary one "almost always works".

Are you shitting me? That's the same stupid ass excuse our auto industry used to forgo the expense of airbag installation because seat belts alone "almost always worked".

Well toodles, we're witnessing the failure of your logic..and it's just plain silly.

Other countries (Norway, Brazil) are smart enough to take the precaution in order to prevent just what we're seeing in the Gulf today. Nothing is 100% guaranteed, but that is NO excuse to cut a corner for profit....because it only takes ONE time for disaster, and saying "I told you so" is little solace.
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tom prendergast said:
It is plainly obvious that you didn't understand what I was saying.
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What's plainly obvious is that you can't get past me with this rhetorical BS of yours Tom. You've taken a position that is NOT defensible, and the more erroneous "examples" you cough up to support your position just makes it all the more easy for me to logically knock down.
 
Originally Posted by tom prendergast
So you are an expert on the offshore drilling practices now? U.S. regulators don't mandate the use of the remote-control device on offshore rigs, and the Deepwater Horizon, hired by BP and operated by Transocean, didn't have one. So I would say that both the US government and Transocean are equally guilty. It all very well blaming Cheney but he is not around any more.

So you're the expert now Tom? More like your an apologist for BP. I don't pretend to be an expert....I'm going by information being obtained and researched, and guess what Tommy boy? When you contract someone to do your work for you, YOU are held liable to a degree as well for that contractor's actions. And by US law, just because you are no longer in office doesn't mean you can't be brought up to testify for the very actions that caused this catastrophe...but that's only if our local gov't has the stones to do so. If you doubt me, just do some homework as to the Bophal incident with Union Carbide and Dow Chemical.
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tom prendergast said:
I am not an expert on deepwater drilling but I have a scientific background, can read and I have a brother who works for Shell. I suggest that you do some background reading before going on another rant. The acoustic backup device that you set such store by wouldn't have worked. It is only a switch activated by sound and if the mechanics have failed, then it is not going to switch anything.
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So you're not an expert, but you have a "scientific" background. Give me a fucking break, Tom. That's a vague response that in no way validates your opinion on this particular subject. And since your brother works at Shell, that could imply industry bias...I've no idea what capacity he works as, so again, another vague attempt to support your opinion.

Again, the "opinion" of your brother and you does NOT CHANGE THE FACT that WE WILL NEVER KNOW IF THE DEVICE WOULD HAVE WORKED BECAUSE BP CHEAPED OUT NOT TO INSTALL IT. BP gambled on the primary systems taking care of business....THEY FAILED AND HAD NO BACK-UP SYSTEM TO TRY! Hence the disaster we are now facing.

A matter of fact, a matter of history, and all your wishful thinking won't change it. Deal with it.
 
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