IEA warns US about making rash decisions over oil spill

Let's clear the air here: Obama and his administration basically are putting a hold on things until there is a definitive change in the oil regulatory agencies. Couple this with a push to change America's energy needs to a significant lessening of oil dependency, and all who sail their fortunes on oil are a tad upset.

Bottom line: BP fucked up royally..and is going to be held accountable. TFB if anyone doesn't like it.

Bottom line: The USA is NOT going to reduce it's oil dependence to a mere trickle in my lifetime..as we have an ON-GOING military presence to maintain on two fronts as well as maintain all other military viligence around the world.

Bottom line: Obama is about SOME changes, but not a COMPLETE changes. Thing is, the status quo does NOT want ANY change.
 
Of course it's NOT the same thing. There's one set of rules for Yurtsie, and another for the rest of us.

Isn't that how life is in Yurtsie-world?

LOL

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no dumbass....one is you only naming one person to blame all the time, when that is simply not true....the other is me talking directly to ONE person

dishonest hack
 
no dumbass....one is you only naming one person to blame all the time, when that is simply not true....the other is me talking directly to ONE person

dishonest hack

No, no - I think I had it right with the "Yurtsie-world" thing. Because, ya know, I was talking to one person yesterday, and that one person was asking specifically about comparing OBAMA and BUSH, yet somehow (again, in Yurtsie-world), I'm supposed to seize that opportunity to expound upon the deficiencies & failures of Roy Nagin.

Busted again, Yurtsie! Double-standards, lying, hypocrisy & hackery....

:good4u:
 
Let's clear the air here: Obama and his administration basically are putting a hold on things until there is a definitive change in the oil regulatory agencies. Couple this with a push to change America's energy needs to a significant lessening of oil dependency, and all who sail their fortunes on oil are a tad upset.

Bottom line: BP fucked up royally..and is going to be held accountable. TFB if anyone doesn't like it.

Bottom line: The USA is NOT going to reduce it's oil dependence to a mere trickle in my lifetime..as we have an ON-GOING military presence to maintain on two fronts as well as maintain all other military viligence around the world.

Bottom line: Obama is about SOME changes, but not a COMPLETE changes. Thing is, the status quo does NOT want ANY change.

You are doing the same thing as others, accusing one company without knowing the facts. I will again point out that 29% of US domestic oil is from offshore oil wells.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Let's clear the air here: Obama and his administration basically are putting a hold on things until there is a definitive change in the oil regulatory agencies. Couple this with a push to change America's energy needs to a significant lessening of oil dependency, and all who sail their fortunes on oil are a tad upset.

Bottom line: BP fucked up royally..and is going to be held accountable. TFB if anyone doesn't like it.

Bottom line: The USA is NOT going to reduce it's oil dependence to a mere trickle in my lifetime..as we have an ON-GOING military presence to maintain on two fronts as well as maintain all other military viligence around the world.

Bottom line: Obama is about SOME changes, but not a COMPLETE changes. Thing is, the status quo does NOT want ANY change.

You are doing the same thing as others, accusing one company without knowing the facts. I will again point out that 29% of US domestic oil is from offshore oil wells.

Sorry Tom, but the FACTS point out that you had BP forgo installing the very safety devise that would have curtailed this disaster...they did it for the bucks...they did it with the help of Dick Cheney's secret meeting and subsequent deregulation of the industry...they did it with the collusion of the former MMS.

You're "29%" is a moot point with regards to BP's culpability. Obama's moving to clean sweep the MMA (hopefully) and make sure BP ponies up for the damages to people's lives. THOSE ARE THE FACTS, TOM.

Personally, when I see Dick Cheney's ass on the chair being grilled, I'll know things are really on the right path to correcting this mess...but for now things are at least off to a good start.
 
You really can't win with somebody like you, only recently you were accusing me of being an Obama apologist now you are intimating that I'm a dyed in the wool capitalist.

I do not have any problem with those involved in the oil spill paying for the cleanup, what I object to vehemently is one company being singled out as the scapegoat whilst ignoring all the others. BP has been hung, drawn and quartered by the US media before anybody knows what really happened. You are always accusing others of being a hack, well physician heal thyself.

I also have a big problem with the US getting so irate about something on their doorstep whilst ignoring all the far worse, in my opinion, accidents caused by US corporations that have happened elsewhere. Bhopal and Piper Alpha are just two that spring to mind, there are many more.

Well, you royal dumbass, they ARE the company that was in charge of fixing the problem. Who else do we blame?
 
Sorry Tom, but the FACTS point out that you had BP forgo installing the very safety devise that would have curtailed this disaster...they did it for the bucks...they did it with the help of Dick Cheney's secret meeting and subsequent deregulation of the industry...they did it with the collusion of the former MMS.

You're "29%" is a moot point with regards to BP's culpability. Obama's moving to clean sweep the MMA (hopefully) and make sure BP ponies up for the damages to people's lives. THOSE ARE THE FACTS, TOM.

Personally, when I see Dick Cheney's ass on the chair being grilled, I'll know things are really on the right path to correcting this mess...but for now things are at least off to a good start.

liar
 
No, no - I think I had it right with the "Yurtsie-world" thing. Because, ya know, I was talking to one person yesterday, and that one person was asking specifically about comparing OBAMA and BUSH, yet somehow (again, in Yurtsie-world), I'm supposed to seize that opportunity to expound upon the deficiencies & failures of Roy Nagin.

Busted again, Yurtsie! Double-standards, lying, hypocrisy & hackery....

:good4u:

no :pke:

dishonest again
 
Let's clear the air here: Obama and his administration basically are putting a hold on things until there is a definitive change in the oil regulatory agencies. Couple this with a push to change America's energy needs to a significant lessening of oil dependency, and all who sail their fortunes on oil are a tad upset.

Bottom line: BP fucked up royally..and is going to be held accountable. TFB if anyone doesn't like it.

Bottom line: The USA is NOT going to reduce it's oil dependence to a mere trickle in my lifetime..as we have an ON-GOING military presence to maintain on two fronts as well as maintain all other military viligence around the world.

Bottom line: Obama is about SOME changes, but not a COMPLETE changes. Thing is, the status quo does NOT want ANY change.

You live in a fantasy land sometimes, you let dogma rule over common sense. You are even against building nuclear power stations which is the only short to medium term solution to energy supply problems.
 
Sorry Tom, but the FACTS point out that you had BP forgo installing the very safety devise that would have curtailed this disaster...they did it for the bucks...they did it with the help of Dick Cheney's secret meeting and subsequent deregulation of the industry...they did it with the collusion of the former MMS.

You're "29%" is a moot point with regards to BP's culpability. Obama's moving to clean sweep the MMA (hopefully) and make sure BP ponies up for the damages to people's lives. THOSE ARE THE FACTS, TOM.

Personally, when I see Dick Cheney's ass on the chair being grilled, I'll know things are really on the right path to correcting this mess...but for now things are at least off to a good start.

It's amazing that you seem to know all the facts, please tell me what is this safety device that they didn't fit?
 
you know, you are a real asshole...you don't give a shit that people's lives have been lost and ruined because of this spill...all you care about is big oil not losing any money from this...good lord, you are deranged

oil companies will drill here even with new regulations because there is a shit load of money to make

So when did you turn into such a bleeding heart? The hypocrisy from the U.S. is just jaw-dropping. Union Carbide (Bhopal) and Occidental (Piper Alpha fire in which 167 perished) got off pretty much scot free. The fire on the Piper Alpha was fuelled by the adjacent Texaco Tartan 'A' which continued to pump oil, even though those 'in the know' knew what the consequences would be. All Occidental's American nationals were then quietly shipped out of Aberdeen, pronto, and not a single prosecution ever materialised. I doubt if there is even one person on here who had even heard about Piper Alpha before I brought it up.
 
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So when did you turn into such a bleeding heart? The hypocrisy from the U.S. is just jaw-dropping. Union Carbide (Bhopal) and Occidental (Piper Alpha fire in which 167 perished) got off pretty much scot free. The fire on the Piper Alpha was fuelled by the adjacent Texaco Tartan 'A' which continued to pump oil, even though those 'in the know' knew what the consequences would be. All Occidental's American nationals were then quietly shipped out of Aberdeen, pronto, and not a single prosecution ever materialised. I doubt if there is even one person on here who had even heard about Piper Alpha before I brought it up.

you obviously have no heart...and i was a baby and a child when those happened, so why you talk about all the US when talking about me is mind boggling...also, i highly suspect there were plenty in the US who cared, however, they were before the internet and 24/7 cable shows...you don't know what you're talking about

and its obvious that something that happens in your back yard is likely to draw more news than something that happens thousands of miles away...it is human nature...it is not always true and is a prime example of my point regarding internet and 24/7 cable...the tsunami

now, perhaps you turn off the oil spigot in your heart and consider humanity instead of corporations profit for one second
 
God, you are such a fucking drama queen at times! Why are you so concerned anyway? I probably live nearer to the Gulf than you do.

thats it, thats your come back...lmao, my fuck you really stumped you

who cares if you live nearer, you could live 2 miles from it and wouldn't care, you are an uncaring prick or would you prefer bloody bugger :)
 
thats it, thats your come back...lmao, my fuck you really stumped you

who cares if you live nearer, you could live 2 miles from it and wouldn't care, you are an uncaring prick or would you prefer bloody bugger :)

I care about Piper Alpha, Bhopal, Agent Orange in Vietnam, white phosphorus in Fallujah, cluster bombs in densely populated areas in Iraq and many others disgusting incidents perpetrated by the US. The oil spill was just an accident, yet it has been turned into another 9/11 by many in the US. I had considered you to be a rational and objective individual yet this shows you to be otherwise.
 
I care about Piper Alpha, Bhopal, Agent Orange in Vietnam, white phosphorus in Fallujah, cluster bombs in densely populated areas in Iraq and many others disgusting incidents perpetrated by the US. The oil spill was just an accident, yet it has been turned into another 9/11 by many in the US. I had considered you to be a rational and objective individual yet this shows you to be otherwise.

i never said it was a 9/11...more idiocy on your part...nothing i have said about BP is irrational or subjective, you on the hand are extremely biased and do not give a shit about the american people or the the environment...

you have done nothing but cry about poor, poor BP....

truly pathetic...and point out just one thing i said that is irrational and/or not objective
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Sorry Tom, but the FACTS point out that you had BP forgo installing the very safety devise that would have curtailed this disaster...they did it for the bucks...they did it with the help of Dick Cheney's secret meeting and subsequent deregulation of the industry...they did it with the collusion of the former MMS.

You're "29%" is a moot point with regards to BP's culpability. Obama's moving to clean sweep the MMA (hopefully) and make sure BP ponies up for the damages to people's lives. THOSE ARE THE FACTS, TOM.

Personally, when I see Dick Cheney's ass on the chair being grilled, I'll know things are really on the right path to correcting this mess...but for now things are at least off to a good start.

It's amazing that you seem to know all the facts, please tell me what is this safety device that they didn't fit?

It's amazing how full of it you are when your nationalistic button get's pushed.

I'm tired of either doing others homework or wasting time repeating known facts for those who hope they'll find fault...the press has more than detailed that BP DID NOT have the acoustical safety valve that would have shut off the oil...and they were drilling 7,000 feet deeper than permitted. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

Like I said before, BP cut corners for the bucks...but they did so with the collusion of the US gov't via deregulation put forth by Dick Cheney. Like it or not, Tom...BP made the decisions, and must be held accountable.
 
It's amazing how full of it you are when your nationalistic button get's pushed.

I'm tired of either doing others homework or wasting time repeating known facts for those who hope they'll find fault...the press has more than detailed that BP DID NOT have the acoustical safety valve that would have shut off the oil...and they were drilling 7,000 feet deeper than permitted. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

Like I said before, BP cut corners for the bucks...but they did so with the collusion of the US gov't via deregulation put forth by Dick Cheney. Like it or not, Tom...BP made the decisions, and must be held accountable.

Let me get this straight:

BP followed the rules and regulations; because an accident occured, they need to be held accoutable!!

Is that what you're saying?
 
It's amazing how full of it you are when your nationalistic button get's pushed.

I'm tired of either doing others homework or wasting time repeating known facts for those who hope they'll find fault...the press has more than detailed that BP DID NOT have the acoustical safety valve that would have shut off the oil...and they were drilling 7,000 feet deeper than permitted. Look it up yourself if you don't believe me.

Like I said before, BP cut corners for the bucks...but they did so with the collusion of the US gov't via deregulation put forth by Dick Cheney. Like it or not, Tom...BP made the decisions, and must be held accountable.

So you are an expert on the offshore drilling practices now? U.S. regulators don't mandate the use of the remote-control device on offshore rigs, and the Deepwater Horizon, hired by BP and operated by Transocean, didn't have one. So I would say that both the US government and Transocean are equally guilty. It all very well blaming Cheney but he is not around any more.

The efficacy of the devices is unclear. Major offshore oil-well blow-outs are rare, and it remains unclear whether acoustic switches have ever been put to the test in a real-world accident. When wells do surge out of control, the primary shut-off systems almost always work. Remote control systems such as the acoustic valve, which have been tested in simulations, are intended as a last resort. The blind/shear rams, the ‘business end’ of the BOP failed, presumably jammed; so how would an alternate switching device have closed them? We have all seen the video of the ROV attempting to operate the rams manually to no effect. Does your “acoustical valve” work by magic? So unless you know something that is not available to experts in the oil industry then you are just parroting an opinion from some blog or other. I would also add that although they are used in the Norwegian sector of the North Sea, they are not used in the UK sector.

So are you going to respond?
 
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