The Safety and Efficacy of Vaccines

[Yakuda]

As I already said, I don't believe that any vaccine prevents anything other than anxiety by those who believe it actually prevents them from getting a given disease. When it comes to polio specifically, I think the following post I wrote in this thread is good:

Post in thread 'The Safety and Efficacy of Vaccines'

Jan 14, 2023

Oh, I've already read about the Salk vaccine, the non government approved version. I'll quote a bit from an article on it. Keep in mind that I don't believe in viruses, so this whole "dead virus" bit isn't what I'm getting at, but rather what happened after its use.

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U.S. regulators fast-tracked the Salk vaccine in 1954, deliberating for just two hours before approving it for wide-scale use. Despite Salk’s belief that a “killed-virus” vaccine “could not accidentally cause polio in those inoculated,” the number of reported polio cases rose immediately and dramatically within...

• Scott

What you "believe" is irrelevant not the facts. 99% of people who get the polio vaccine don't get polio dipshit. Just about everyone ive spoken to who got the death stab still got covid. My tolerance for your stupidity is waning.

 

[gfm7175]

That's a feature, not a bug. For starters, I and others don't believe that biological viruses exist- if our belief is correct, it means that any vaccine claiming to contain an attenuated or inactive virus is false by default. But even for the majority who still believe in biological vaccines, it's acknowledged that not all vaccines even -claim- to have viruses of any kind. Pfizer claims there are 6 types of vaccine technologies:
1- Live attenuated vaccines
2- Inactivated vaccines
3- Subunit vaccines
4- Toxoid vaccines
5- Viral vector vaccines
6- Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines

Feel free to take a look at their definitions for each of these here:

Understanding Six Types of Vaccine Technologies | Pfizer

Ever since the first vaccine was developed in 1796 to treat smallpox,1 several different methods have been created to develop successful vaccines. Today, those methods, known as vaccine technologies, are more advanced and use the latest technology to help protect the world from preventable...

www.pfizer.com

Pfizer is calling some things "vaccines" that aren't actually vaccines, such as 5 and 6.

 

[Scott]

I suspect you never heard of Dr. Ralph Scobey. Quoting a passage on him:
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Poliomyelitis-like symptoms caused by poisoning

In 1951, Dr. Ralph R. Scobey published an article in Archives of Pediatrics, titled “Is the public health law responsible for the poliomyelitis mystery?”

In the article, Scobey investigated the evidence showing the contagiousness (or not) of poliomyelitis — and talked about how the research into complex causes of the disease had been decapitated once the “official” opinion was declared. Among other things, he stated the following:

“Unlimited poliomyelitis research ceased abruptly when this disease was legally made a communicable disease. However, definite progress toward a solution to the problem was being made before the public health law made poliomyelitis a germ or virus disease. For example, it was reported by toxicologists and bacteriologists that poliomyelitis could be produced both by organic and inorganic poisons as well as by bacterial toxins.

“The relationship of this disease to beriberi was also being given consideration. However, these investigations lost support when a germ or virus came to be considered by some to be the full and final answer to the problem. Funds for poliomyelitis research were from then on designated for the investigation of the infectious theory only.

“There are today many investigators who have strong evidence contradicting the infectious theory. Vitamin and mineral deficiency, poison, allergy and other theories are being presented to explain the mystery, but these men, because of the public health law and the limited ability to obtain funds or cooperation from any source cannot work freely on the problem of [the] cause of poliomyelitis.

“At one time or another the classical dietary deficiency diseases, beriberi and pellagra, and even sunstroke, have been considered to be communicable infectious diseases. If by law any one, or all of these diseases, had been made a reportable communicable disease, it is obvious that today it would legally be a germ disease and a search for the causative germ might still be in progress.

“If beriberi and pellagra had been made reportable communicable diseases, it is conceivable that the epochal studies on vitamins by Funk and subsequent workers could have been ignored in the search for the infectious agent as the etiological factor in these diseases. The progress of medicine would have been seriously retarded.

“The time is long past due for careful reappraisal of the poliomyelitis problem and for many capable workers with various opinions regarding the cause of the disease to be given the opportunity to work and the funds with which to work. The implications of the public health law that poliomyelitis is an infectious communicable disease must be reconsidered if progress is to be made.”
The Rockefeller brand

In his article, Scobey also mentioned that in 1911, Sachs [Sachs, B.: Am. J. Obst. & Gynec., 63: 703-710, April 1911] indicated that “Our present knowledge of the possible methods of contagion is based almost entirely upon the work done in this city at the Rockefeller Institute,” and that children afflicted with the disease were kept in general hospital wards and that not a single one of the other inmates of the wards of the hospital was affected with the disease — which of course contradicted the “viral” theory of polio.

I would also like to point out the fact that the Rockefeller family, in general, has in many ways set the foundations of modern medicine as we know it — by funding specifically the research that they favored, medical school curricula that helped them shape the medical thinking in a way that would help them make the most money and so on.

There is a reason why today’s petrochemicals-based medicine has earned the nickname of “Rockefeller medicine”!
**

Source:

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

childrenshealthdefense.org

The article has more to say regarding Dr. Scobey's research, as well some of the poisons that may well have been the true cause of the polio epidemic.

You're right, I never heard of the silly tard.

Well, that's certainly a quick way of dealing with people you disagree with- just call 'em a 'tard and call it a day.

 

[Scott]

As I already said, I don't believe that any vaccine prevents anything other than anxiety by those who believe it actually prevents them from getting a given disease. When it comes to polio specifically, I think the following post I wrote in this thread is good:

Post in thread 'The Safety and Efficacy of Vaccines'

Jan 14, 2023

Oh, I've already read about the Salk vaccine, the non government approved version. I'll quote a bit from an article on it. Keep in mind that I don't believe in viruses, so this whole "dead virus" bit isn't what I'm getting at, but rather what happened after its use.

**
U.S. regulators fast-tracked the Salk vaccine in 1954, deliberating for just two hours before approving it for wide-scale use. Despite Salk’s belief that a “killed-virus” vaccine “could not accidentally cause polio in those inoculated,” the number of reported polio cases rose immediately and dramatically within...

• Scott

What you "believe" is irrelevant not the facts.

That depends on what the facts are.

99% of people who get the polio vaccine don't get polio

Prove it. For that matter, feel free to try to prove that polio's even caused by a virus. I see the next word in your post is an insult, so I'll leave my response here.

 

[Scott]

I never said they were incorrect. I said that I don't always -like- some of the definitions for words. Take the definition of vaccine from Cambridge:
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a substance that is put into the body of a person or animal to protect them from a disease by causing them to produce antibodies
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I don't believe that any vaccine actually fulfills this definition, but I respect this definition anyway, as this is how the word is defined. It is the correct definition, in the sense that this is how most people define vaccines, even if I don't believe that putting substances found in vaccines actually protects anyone from anything.

This definition isn't the worst, but it's definitely lacking. For instance, it doesn't specify that "a substance" specifically contains an attenuated or inactive virus.

That's a feature, not a bug. For starters, I and others don't believe that biological viruses exist- if our belief is correct, it means that any vaccine claiming to contain an attenuated or inactive virus is false by default. But even for the majority who still believe in biological vaccines, it's acknowledged that not all vaccines even -claim- to have viruses of any kind. Pfizer claims there are 6 types of vaccine technologies:
1- Live attenuated vaccines
2- Inactivated vaccines
3- Subunit vaccines
4- Toxoid vaccines
5- Viral vector vaccines
6- Messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines

Feel free to take a look at their definitions for each of these here:

Understanding Six Types of Vaccine Technologies | Pfizer

Ever since the first vaccine was developed in 1796 to treat smallpox,1 several different methods have been created to develop successful vaccines. Today, those methods, known as vaccine technologies, are more advanced and use the latest technology to help protect the world from preventable...

www.pfizer.com

Pfizer is calling some things "vaccines" that aren't actually vaccines, such as 5 and 6.

Well, it looks like Cambridge's definition works for the new types. As I imagine you know, I don't think that any vaccines help anyone and most if not all vaccines actually harm people, so the "type" doesn't really concern me that much- although I acknowledge that some vaccines may be more harmful than others. The Covid vaccines certainly seemed to do a number on a lot of people, but then so many were taken that it stands to reason just from a numerical point of view.

 

[EdwinA]

Well, that's certainly a quick way of dealing with people you disagree with- just call 'em a 'tard and call it a day.

It's just a fact, is all. Your idiot conspiracy rubbish is what is sad. You sniveling about it doesn't suddenly make them valid.

 

[EdwinA]

What you "believe" is irrelevant not the facts. 99% of people who get the polio vaccine don't get polio dipshit. Just about everyone ive spoken to who got the death stab still got covid. My tolerance for your stupidity is waning.

Yes.

Polio case and death rates in the United States

The reported rates are per 100,000 US population and include both wild- and vaccine-derived poliovirus infections that occurred indigenously and as imported cases.

ourworldindata.org

This idiot and his fellow tards will just claim it was just a coincidence or something.

 

[jimmymccready]

Only science and facts, not faith and belief, are used to measure vaccine worth.

And the vaccines work.

 

[Scott]

I suspect you never heard of Dr. Ralph Scobey. Quoting a passage on him:
**
Poliomyelitis-like symptoms caused by poisoning

In 1951, Dr. Ralph R. Scobey published an article in Archives of Pediatrics, titled “Is the public health law responsible for the poliomyelitis mystery?”

In the article, Scobey investigated the evidence showing the contagiousness (or not) of poliomyelitis — and talked about how the research into complex causes of the disease had been decapitated once the “official” opinion was declared. Among other things, he stated the following:

“Unlimited poliomyelitis research ceased abruptly when this disease was legally made a communicable disease. However, definite progress toward a solution to the problem was being made before the public health law made poliomyelitis a germ or virus disease. For example, it was reported by toxicologists and bacteriologists that poliomyelitis could be produced both by organic and inorganic poisons as well as by bacterial toxins.

“The relationship of this disease to beriberi was also being given consideration. However, these investigations lost support when a germ or virus came to be considered by some to be the full and final answer to the problem. Funds for poliomyelitis research were from then on designated for the investigation of the infectious theory only.

“There are today many investigators who have strong evidence contradicting the infectious theory. Vitamin and mineral deficiency, poison, allergy and other theories are being presented to explain the mystery, but these men, because of the public health law and the limited ability to obtain funds or cooperation from any source cannot work freely on the problem of [the] cause of poliomyelitis.

“At one time or another the classical dietary deficiency diseases, beriberi and pellagra, and even sunstroke, have been considered to be communicable infectious diseases. If by law any one, or all of these diseases, had been made a reportable communicable disease, it is obvious that today it would legally be a germ disease and a search for the causative germ might still be in progress.

“If beriberi and pellagra had been made reportable communicable diseases, it is conceivable that the epochal studies on vitamins by Funk and subsequent workers could have been ignored in the search for the infectious agent as the etiological factor in these diseases. The progress of medicine would have been seriously retarded.

“The time is long past due for careful reappraisal of the poliomyelitis problem and for many capable workers with various opinions regarding the cause of the disease to be given the opportunity to work and the funds with which to work. The implications of the public health law that poliomyelitis is an infectious communicable disease must be reconsidered if progress is to be made.”
The Rockefeller brand

In his article, Scobey also mentioned that in 1911, Sachs [Sachs, B.: Am. J. Obst. & Gynec., 63: 703-710, April 1911] indicated that “Our present knowledge of the possible methods of contagion is based almost entirely upon the work done in this city at the Rockefeller Institute,” and that children afflicted with the disease were kept in general hospital wards and that not a single one of the other inmates of the wards of the hospital was affected with the disease — which of course contradicted the “viral” theory of polio.

I would also like to point out the fact that the Rockefeller family, in general, has in many ways set the foundations of modern medicine as we know it — by funding specifically the research that they favored, medical school curricula that helped them shape the medical thinking in a way that would help them make the most money and so on.

There is a reason why today’s petrochemicals-based medicine has earned the nickname of “Rockefeller medicine”!
**

Source:

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

childrenshealthdefense.org

The article has more to say regarding Dr. Scobey's research, as well some of the poisons that may well have been the true cause of the polio epidemic.

You're right, I never heard of the silly tard.

Well, that's certainly a quick way of dealing with people you disagree with- just call 'em a 'tard and call it a day.

It's just a fact, is all.

You've shown no evidence refuting any of Dr. Scobey's points.

 

[Scott]

Only science and facts, not faith and belief, are used to measure vaccine worth.

And the vaccines work.

You have presented no facts.

 

[Scott]

What you "believe" is irrelevant not the facts.

Yes.

Polio case and death rates in the United States

The reported rates are per 100,000 US population and include both wild- and vaccine-derived poliovirus infections that occurred indigenously and as imported cases.

ourworldindata.org

A chart such as that is meaningless if it derives its evidence from pseudoscientific methods. I found yet another article referencing Dr. Scobey's work. I doubt you'd read it, but perhaps someone in the audience might find it interesting:

The Infectious Myth Busted Part 5: Is Polio Contagious?

“In addition to the failure to prove contagiousness of human poliomyelitis, it has likewise been impossible to prove contagiousness of poliomyelitis in experimental animals.” – Ralph Scobey While investigating the horrors of polio, I looked into the lack of evidence for any purified and isolated...

viroliegy.com

This just adds more research to the article below that I've referenced before:

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[jimmymccready]

You have presented no facts.

Neither has the deniers. So far the best evidence is more than 400,000 died in one year under Trump without a vaccine and 400,000 died in three years with Biden and a vaccine.

And, yes, viroielgy.com is a sham source.

 

[jimmymccready]

Viroliegy.com is widely regarded as non-scientific and unreliable within the mainstream medical and scientific communities.

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[Hawkeye10]

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Mainstream science and medical communities are unreliable.

You dont get to play this game after COVID.

 

[jimmymccready]

Hawkeye 10's posts are what is unreliable. Please keep refraining from vaccines.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Hawkeye 10's posts are what is unreliable. Please keep refraining from vaccines.

I took two death Jabs.....I now wish I had not.

 

[jimmymccready]

Yes, long term covid is a fact, a generally, thank heavens, considering the hundreds of millions of jabs, a very rare fact.

I have a friend who is afflicted, and it is a very unhappy one.

But... anybody who thinks vaxxes can be or should be without consequences are not operating in reality.

The cost benefit analysis is clear that they work extremely well

 

[Hawkeye10]

This might be next for me:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1980318092900303025

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[EdwinA]

You have presented no facts.

You meant to say I didn't fall for your idiot rubbish yet again. I didn't post if because I care about what you morons like or don't like, just for the Peanut Gallery's benefit. Now run along and find some more Jewish conspiracies or something.

 

[EdwinA]

Mainstream science and medical communities are unreliable.

You dont get to play this game after COVID.

Well, not completely, but certainly more so than you ever have been.