The Safety and Efficacy of Vaccines

gfm7175 said:
Scott said:
As I imagine you know, I don't think that any vaccines help anyone and most if not all vaccines actually harm people, so the "type" doesn't really concern me that much- although I acknowledge that some vaccines may be more harmful than others. The Covid vaccines certainly seemed to do a number on a lot of people, but then so many were taken that it stands to reason just from a numerical point of view.
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I hear ya. If it's "all hooey", then the specific "type of hooey" won't concern you. It likewise seems to me that the COVID jabs (I don't consider them vaccines) did a real number on a bunch of people. Even here in Wisconsin, I at one point was concerned about leftists forcing me to choose between my job/livelihood and an mRNA jab that I absolutely did NOT want injected into my body. Thankfully, it never came to that point for me, but that would've been numerous nights of deep prayer.
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I too am glad that you never had to take the jab. I only know 2 people who did take it- my father took 1 (thankfully just the 1) and my stepmother took 2. My father appears to not regret it, he seems to be pretty indoctrinated in the idea that vaccines are always good- though I did note that he pointed out that he only took one with a friend of his that didn't take them. This may be more about just showing camaraderia then actually having any objection to the covid vaccines though.

I think my stepmother has some regrets in taking them. They certainly didn't help her with the alleged covid virus, she got a serious case of what was claimed to be covid after she took her 2 jabs. I suspect the jabs themselves may have played a role there.
 
Scott said:
As you know, I don't believe any vaccines protect anyone from anything, but I think I understand what you're trying to convey- that your own definition of vaccines doesn't encompass the new types.
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Then you ignore the facts. Polio and small pox are nearly non-existent because of vaccines. What you "believe" is irrelevant. You get that right?
 
Scott said:
As you know, I don't believe any vaccines protect anyone from anything, but I think I understand what you're trying to convey- that your own definition of vaccines doesn't encompass the new types.
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Essentially, except that it technically isn't "my" definition (as I didn't originally come up with it). But yes, the definition that I accept does not encompass "the new types" (e.g. the mRNA jabs).
 
jimmymccready said:
Scott said:
False- I've presented a lot in this th read, along with links where one can find even more.

I'm not sure where you're getting your 400k numbers- feel free to share your source. I personally found that a recent article that gets into the excess deaths of 17 million people worldwide during Covid. The author of said article gets into the fact that covid vaccines were not the -only- cause of these excess deaths, but they were certainly a part of it. I'll quote a few paragraphs from the article in question that I think are pretty good for my point here:
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There is no reasonable doubt that the C19 vaccines cause death, not to mention mass injury, as established in a growing number of published autopsy reports and clinical observations (3,580 science-journal articles to date). That is not the question.

Another aspect that should be considered proven is that the notion that the C19 vaccine “saved lives”, or “millions of lives”, is a ridiculous notion. The untenable nature of that theoretical proposition (advanced in The Lancet) was demonstrated by me and co-author Joseph Hickey here: https://correlation-canada.org/nobel-vaccine-and-all-cause-mortality/. Likewise, the recent estimate of “lives saved” by Ioannidis and co-authors is erroneous and silly.

So, on the one hand, there are strong correlations in time between peaks in excess all-cause mortality and vaccine rollouts (hundreds of examples), whereas, on the other hand, reasonably estimated fatal vaccine toxicity is not large enough (by some 3 orders of magnitude) to explain the measured vaccine-associated all-ages excess all-cause mortality.

I provided an answer to this paradox in section 3.3.6 of my recent paper: https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202412.0480/v1
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Source:
denisrancourt.substack.com

Did the C19 vaccine kill 17 million? Yes, but how? Not what you think!

Clinical data proves lethality but not of this magnitude
denisrancourt.substack.com denisrancourt.substack.com

Again, accusations are a dime a dozen. Evidence is what is needed for decent arguments.
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Scott, you are a conspiracy theorist who offers no facts of worth.
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You're refuted none of the assertions made by any of the sources I've presented. You've also presented no evidence for any of your own assertions here that I can see.
 
Scott said:
Understood. I think our positions on vaccines is 'close enough' that I think I can consider you an ally in this thread, much like I imagine you consider IBDaMann in the Abortion thread.
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I'm sure that my current views on vaccines are much closer to your own views than those of the "vaccines are totally safe and effective" "vaccine peddler" crowd.
 
Scott said:
Agreed. I'm curious, what do you think of RFK Jr.'s work on reforming the HHS in regards to vaccines?
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I'm supportive of RFK Jr's vaccine-related work and the fact that he's willing to actually explore the harmful side effects of vaccines instead of just blindly rubber-stamping them as "safe and effective".

Big Harma HATES him, and anyone who Big Harma HATES gets a positive entry in my book.
 
Scott said:
I too am glad that you never had to take the jab. I only know 2 people who did take it- my father took 1 (thankfully just the 1) and my stepmother took 2. My father appears to not regret it, he seems to be pretty indoctrinated in the idea that vaccines are always good- though I did note that he pointed out that he only took one with a friend of his that didn't take them. This may be more about just showing camaraderia then actually having any objection to the covid vaccines though.

I think my stepmother has some regrets in taking them. They certainly didn't help her with the alleged covid virus, she got a serious case of what was claimed to be covid after she took her 2 jabs. I suspect the jabs themselves may have played a role there.
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I unfortunately know plenty more people than you do who took the COVID jab(s). Some of them seem "just fine" while others seem to have experienced side effects. I likewise suspect that the jabs themselves played a role.
 
Scott said:
You're refuted none of the assertions made by any of the sources I've presented. You've also presented no evidence for any of your own assertions here that I can see.
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I don't have to refute unproven assertions. You have to prove them, which you have not.

No one has to reprove the status quo, Scott. You have to undermine it, and your argument collapsed on you.
 
jimmymccready said:
Scott said:
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What was your source for the above, ChatGPT?
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It was posted. Look it up.
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I ask you for your source(s) and you ask me to look for it? You seem rather uninterested in providing evidence for your position.
 
Yakuda said:
Scott said:
I think we can agree that a lot of people who got 1 or more covid vaccines got -something-. There's a documentary on mRNA vaccines that I thought was pretty good. I even made a thread about it here:
Scott

Thread 'Inside mRNA Vaccines: The Movie'

Just finished watching the film that shares the title of this thread. As some here know, I no longer believe in biological viruses, so I don't agree with that part of the documentary, but the focus is on the mRNA vaccines, and I thought that part was quite well done, including some video testimonials of some who have shown clear signs of being injured from these vaccines. Anyway, the film can be seen free of charge here:
www.thefocalpoints.com

Inside mRNA Vaccines: The Movie

This hard-hitting film rips the lid off the disastrous mRNA rollout — with stunning 3D animation and unfiltered testimony from the world’s leading experts.
www.thefocalpoints.com www.thefocalpoints.com

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The difference is 99% of the people that got the polio VACCINE never got polio.
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According to who?
 
Yakuda said:
Scott said:
gfm7175 said:
They (and many others) have recently redefined the term 'vaccine' (from how it used to be defined) so as to include the "new types". The "new types" are not vaccines.
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As you know, I don't believe any vaccines protect anyone from anything, but I think I understand what you're trying to convey- that your own definition of vaccines doesn't encompass the new types.
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Then you ignore the facts. Polio and small pox are nearly non-existent because of vaccines.
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I've seen no solid evidence that a polio virus even exists, let alone that polio "vaccines" had anything to do with it becoming rare. For evidence that the cause of polio may be other than the alleged polio virus, you can take a look at the following articles:
childrenshealthdefense.org

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.
childrenshealthdefense.org childrenshealthdefense.org

viroliegy.com

The Infectious Myth Busted Part 5: Is Polio Contagious?

“In addition to the failure to prove contagiousness of human poliomyelitis, it has likewise been impossible to prove contagiousness of poliomyelitis in experimental animals.” – Ralph Scobey While investigating the horrors of polio, I looked into the lack of evidence for any purified and isolated...
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Scott said:
I ask you for your source(s) and you ask me to look for it? You seem rather uninterested in providing evidence for your position.
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You posted a nonsense online source. We all know the CDC etc. say your nonsense is nonsense.

Really, don't get vaxxed. It's your right. It's stupid, but your right.
 
Scott said:
I've seen no solid evidence that a polio virus even exists, let alone that polio "vaccines" had anything to do with it becoming rare. For evidence that the cause of polio may be other than the alleged polio virus, you can take a look at the following articles:
childrenshealthdefense.org

A Story About Polio, Pesticides and the Meaning of Science

We’re told the science on polio is settled — but that may not be the case. There are scientists who believe polio-like symptoms could be caused by toxic substances, including pesticides.
childrenshealthdefense.org childrenshealthdefense.org

viroliegy.com

The Infectious Myth Busted Part 5: Is Polio Contagious?

“In addition to the failure to prove contagiousness of human poliomyelitis, it has likewise been impossible to prove contagiousness of poliomyelitis in experimental animals.” – Ralph Scobey While investigating the horrors of polio, I looked into the lack of evidence for any purified and isolated...
viroliegy.com viroliegy.com
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Hack sources, and you know it. But, please, don't take any vaxxes.
 
The Copilot AI responds to "are the covid vaccines generally safe."

Yes, COVID-19 vaccines are generally considered safe by global health authorities and supported by extensive research:

✅ Global Safety Consensus​

  • World Health Organization (WHO) confirms that COVID-19 vaccines underwent rigorous testing in large Phase III trials before approval. They continue to be monitored for safety through real-world data and expert review panels.
  • Health Canada and other national agencies only approve vaccines that meet strict standards for safety, effectiveness, and quality.

🧪 Largest Safety Study to Date​

  • A 2024 international study involving nearly 100 million vaccinated individuals found that most health risks after vaccination were similar to background rates—meaning they occurred no more often than expected in the general population.
  • The study did identify rare but known risks such as:
    • Myocarditis and pericarditis (inflammation of the heart)
    • Guillain-Barré syndrome (a rare nerve disorder)
    • Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (a rare type of blood clot)These were statistically elevated but still very rare.

💉 Common Side Effects​

  • Most people experience mild and temporary symptoms, such as:
    • Soreness at the injection site
    • Fatigue, headache, mild fever
    • Muscle or joint aches

⚠️ Rare Reactions​

  • Serious allergic reactions are extremely rare and typically occur shortly after vaccination. Clinics monitor recipients for a short time post-injection to manage any immediate reactions.

🛡️ Benefits vs Risks​

  • The vaccines have been shown to reduce severe illness, hospitalization, death, and long COVID symptoms, which far outweigh the small risks of adverse effects.
sciencealert.com /www.sciencealert.com/largest-covid-vaccine-study-ever-reveals-the-actual-health-risks-you-face

www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/vaccines/safety-side-effects.html

www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/coronavirus-disease-%28covid-19%29-vaccines-safety
 
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