“I have the right to do anything I want to do. I'm the president of the United States."

Are you saying that once Congress makes a decision to have tariffs, that the President is more or less obligated to execute it?
There might be a little wiggle room, but very, very little wiggle room. trump cannot just ignore the law, or worse yet make up laws that just do not exist. Can you imagine being arrested for breaking a law that does not exist? Well that is what trump is threatening, and beginning to do.

State for the record your unequivocal position that the laws passed by Congress do NOT somehow make the establishment of specific tariff rates the domain of Presidential executive proclamation.
Congress has expressly delegated some authority to the president to set tariffs. If trump follows those limited powers, he is within the law. It would be legal, but maybe not advicable.

Instead, trump is veering into illegal territory. he is just making up laws that do not exist. he could have tried to get Congress to change the laws, but he did not.
 
Instead, trump is veering into illegal territory. he is just making up laws that do not exist. he could have tried to get Congress to change the laws, but he did not.
Sorry. You are egregiously in error. The way Trump is setting the tariffs is the process of the US government, per the laws I posted for your edification, that you apparently ignored.
 
So, on 1/6/21, lets say the coup succeeded, Pence refuses to certify the 2020 election and the results when back to the states. What do you think would have happened?

If your answer is: "oh, trump would have just gone back to Mara-lardo like a good loser of the election". I'm sorry, but your opinion is a foolish one.
If (and this is just imaginary) Pence went along with it and some new electors were seated, there would have been more legal battles in the courts, he would have lost, he would have left., we already know, by what actually happened, that once all avenues to change the outcome were exhausted he would leave... no magic third term will happen, there is no avenue for that change to take place.

The best predictor of future actions are past actions... We know he leaves, because he has.
 
If (and this is just imaginary) Pence went along with it and some new electors were seated, there would have been more legal battles in the courts, he would have lost, he would have left., we already know, by what actually happened, that once all avenues to change the outcome were exhausted he would leave... no magic third term will happen, there is no avenue for that change to take place.

The best predictor of future actions are past actions... We know he leaves, because he has.
The best predictor of future actions are past actions. I agree. And last time trump tried to nullify an election and remain president. Don't you see your own logic defeats your own argument?

Also - "The best predictor of future actions are past actions" - BUT IF ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS HAVE CHANGED THEN THE OUTCOME MAY AND LIKELTY WILL BE DIFFERENT.

What's changed? No more guardrails. Congress, SCOTUS and his cabinet were all picked for the same reason. Loyalty over competence.

I really don't understand why you're being so obtuse. trump didn't want to leave last time, and he won't this time either. The problem is - now there's no one to stop him.
 
Never fails, the same stupid shit ^ regurgitated every time he can’t rebuttal, it’s comical

I believe that thinking is what led to Germany’s Holocaust
ERRM....NOT QUITE, ANCHOVIES. IF WE AGREE THAT THE PRE-MEDITATED, SYSTEMATIC KILLING OF 6 MILLION JEWS - THE MAJORITY OF WHOM WERE - as we are told - POISONED TO DEATH WITH CYANIDE GAS IN PURPOSE-BUILT CAS CHAMBERS LOCATED WITHIN SEVERAL GERMAN (NAZI)) CONCENTRATION CAMPS WAS A GENOCIDAL EVENT THEN. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS A TRAGEDY WOULD MOST PROBLY WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE WERE IT NOT FOR A GROUP OF AMERICAN ELITES WHO PROVIDED THE INTELLECTUAL FOUNDATION AND SCIENTIFIC JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THE NAZI'S "FINAL SOLUTION."


Here's a brief overview of what happened....


In the early decades of the 20th century Eugenics and related race science proclaimed themselves to have a solution ( if not a solution, then a means to radically and efficiently reduce) to the perennial problem of social pathologies, such as "feeblemindedness" (low IQ); epilepsy, "manic depression" (i.e. Bipolar disorder) alcoholism (and drug abuse); promiscuous and/or degenerate sexual behaviour, the blight of prostitution, crime (violent and property); pathologically deficient self - control/self-discipline ; congenital medical disorders like deafness, blindness, severe "Learning Disorders" Down's Syndrome, dwarfism and gross bodily deformities, etc, etc. These conditions were said to be the result of "BAD GENES" (in todays language, and the American Eugenics Movement was dedicated to the task of how best to remove "BAD GENES" for the American "GENE POOl," before they could be passed on the the offspring of parents who were genetically "unfit." and detract from the social quality of future generations. With regard to race, science and Eugenics during their Golden Years in America ( the 1920s and 1930s) it was taken as axiomaric that the coloured races were genetically inferior to the White Nordic race/s, and the darker the skin, the more pronounced was the degree of genetic inferiority. The leaders of the American Eugenic Movement received extensive funding for their work from various corporate foundations, like the Carnegie Institute, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune These men were members of the elite social classes in America..Madison Grant one of the foremost Eugenic scholars of his time was an American Blue-Blood and enthusiastic "Gentleman Conservationist."



Many prominent and highly respected leaders of the various branches of the overal Eugenics movement in America were also extremely influential political lobbyists. The Founding Father of the Eugenics movement in the US was Madison Grant. His text on Eugenic Science entitled "The Passing of the Great Race" published in 1916 provided the intellectual foundation and springboard for the movement. Grant's work was critical in the passing of the Johnson - Reed Act in Congress. This legislation encouraged the immigration of native white Nordic races to America (NB: the Nordic races are those people native to Western and/or Northern Europe) while sharply curbing the intake of non-Nordic foreign immigrants.


In the mid-1920s while he was serving time in Landsberg prison for leading a failed coup d'etat in Munich, a corporal named Adolph Hitler included references to Madison's "Passing" as well as the work of other American race scientists. In the 1930 he sent fan-mail to Madisison Grant from Germany, tell grant that "The Passing" was his "Bible" and that he kept a copy of the text on his bedside table to read every night. Hitler also sent fan mail to other leading American race scientists/eugenicists, such as Leon Whitney, for instance, the Executive Secretary of the American Eugenics Society.


The NAZIs did have their own their own race scientists and Eugenics specialist, but they clearly acknowledged that the American were the masters of these fields, and looked to them and their work for guidance and inspiration.


After the Nurember trial of 1946 exposed the colloddal magnitude of the Holocaust and other race crimes to the world, Americas foremost Eugenics advocate magically morphed into a collection of Sergeant Schultz -type figures.... I KNOW NOTHING - I SEE NOTHING !!" Any reference to American race science/Eugenics was also magically erased from every biology, history, political text in the academy and from every high school text book


. The fact that American intellectuals/race scientists/Eugenicists had laid the conceptual foundations and scientific justifications for the NAZI holocaust had to "disappeared" and "disappeared VERY fast. The fact that Americans had played a crucial role in aiding and abetting "The Final Solution" was a "Truth that dared not Speak its Name".
 
ERRM....NOT QUITE, ANCHOVIES. IF WE AGREE THAT THE PRE-MEDITATED, SYSTEMATIC KILLING OF 6 MILLION JEWS - THE MAJORITY OF WHOM WERE - as we are told - POISONED TO DEATH WITH CYANIDE GAS IN PURPOSE-BUILT CAS CHAMBERS LOCATED WITHIN SEVERAL GERMAN (NAZI)) CONCENTRATION CAMPS WAS A GENOCIDAL EVENT THEN. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS A TRAGEDY WOULD MOST PROBLY WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN PLACE WERE IT NOT FOR A GROUP OF AMERICAN ELITES WHO PROVIDED THE INTELLECTUAL FOUNDATION AND SCIENTIFIC JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THE NAZI'S "FINAL SOLUTION."


Here's a brief overview of what happened....


In the early decades of the 20th century Eugenics and related race science proclaimed themselves to have a solution ( if not a solution, then a means to radically and efficiently reduce) to the perennial problem of social pathologies, such as "feeblemindedness" (low IQ); epilepsy, "manic depression" (i.e. Bipolar disorder) alcoholism (and drug abuse); promiscuous and/or degenerate sexual behaviour, the blight of prostitution, crime (violent and property); pathologically deficient self - control/self-discipline ; congenital medical disorders like deafness, blindness, severe "Learning Disorders" Down's Syndrome, dwarfism and gross bodily deformities, etc, etc. These conditions were said to be the result of "BAD GENES" (in todays language, and the American Eugenics Movement was dedicated to the task of how best to remove "BAD GENES" for the American "GENE POOl," before they could be passed on the the offspring of parents who were genetically "unfit." and detract from the social quality of future generations. With regard to race, science and Eugenics during their Golden Years in America ( the 1920s and 1930s) it was taken as axiomaric that the coloured races were genetically inferior to the White Nordic race/s, and the darker the skin, the more pronounced was the degree of genetic inferiority. The leaders of the American Eugenic Movement received extensive funding for their work from various corporate foundations, like the Carnegie Institute, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune These men were members of the elite social classes in America..Madison Grant one of the foremost Eugenic scholars of his time was an American Blue-Blood and enthusiastic "Gentleman Conservationist."



Many prominent and highly respected leaders of the various branches of the overal Eugenics movement in America were also extremely influential political lobbyists. The Founding Father of the Eugenics movement in the US was Madison Grant. His text on Eugenic Science entitled "The Passing of the Great Race" published in 1916 provided the intellectual foundation and springboard for the movement. Grant's work was critical in the passing of the Johnson - Reed Act in Congress. This legislation encouraged the immigration of native white Nordic races to America (NB: the Nordic races are those people native to Western and/or Northern Europe) while sharply curbing the intake of non-Nordic foreign immigrants.


In the mid-1920s while he was serving time in Landsberg prison for leading a failed coup d'etat in Munich, a corporal named Adolph Hitler included references to Madison's "Passing" as well as the work of other American race scientists. In the 1930 he sent fan-mail to Madisison Grant from Germany, tell grant that "The Passing" was his "Bible" and that he kept a copy of the text on his bedside table to read every night. Hitler also sent fan mail to other leading American race scientists/eugenicists, such as Leon Whitney, for instance, the Executive Secretary of the American Eugenics Society.


The NAZIs did have their own their own race scientists and Eugenics specialist, but they clearly acknowledged that the American were the masters of these fields, and looked to them and their work for guidance and inspiration.


After the Nurember trial of 1946 exposed the colloddal magnitude of the Holocaust and other race crimes to the world, Americas foremost Eugenics advocate magically morphed into a collection of Sergeant Schultz -type figures.... I KNOW NOTHING - I SEE NOTHING !!" Any reference to American race science/Eugenics was also magically erased from every biology, history, political text in the academy and from every high school text book


. The fact that American intellectuals/race scientists/Eugenicists had laid the conceptual foundations and scientific justifications for the NAZI holocaust had to "disappeared" and "disappeared VERY fast. The fact that Americans had played a crucial role in aiding and abetting "The Final Solution" was a "Truth that dared not Speak its Name".
“Brief?”

Break it done to two paragraphs
 
The best predictor of future actions are past actions. I agree. And last time trump tried to nullify an election and remain president. Don't you see your own logic defeats your own argument?

Also - "The best predictor of future actions are past actions" - BUT IF ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS HAVE CHANGED THEN THE OUTCOME MAY AND LIKELTY WILL BE DIFFERENT.

What's changed? No more guardrails. Congress, SCOTUS and his cabinet were all picked for the same reason. Loyalty over competence.

I really don't understand why you're being so obtuse. trump didn't want to leave last time, and he won't this time either. The problem is - now there's no one to stop him.
What we know is that he left without fanfare once there was no more path to change what happened.

No matter how many times you try to pretend that the past didn't happen, we have the actual fact as to what did. He left, someone else moved in, we were told that person was the head of an Administration for four years... he then ran in an election, won it, that administration left, and he moved back in...

What we can predict from this: There is no avenue for a third term, there will be an election in 2028, he will not be running. Since there is no path to change that, and from his past actions, we know what will happen.

All this fear mongering aside. Trump will not be running for a third term, nor will he just stay.
 
What we know is that he left without fanfare once there was no more path to change what happened.

No matter how many times you try to pretend that the past didn't happen, we have the actual fact as to what did. He left, someone else moved in, we were told that person was the head of an Administration for four years... he then ran in an election, won it, that administration left, and he moved back in...

What we can predict from this: There is no avenue for a third term, there will be an election in 2028, he will not be running. Since there is no path to change that, and from his past actions, we know what will happen.

All this fear mongering aside. Trump will not be running for a third term, nor will he just stay.
“no path?”

Was there a “path” for half of the actions Trump has taken just in the last six months? Was there a “path” to punish private companies, individuals, and law firms because they didn’t agree with him? Was there a “path” to invoke a two hundred year old law to deport people without due process? Was there a “path” to unilaterally revoke worker rights? Was there a “path” for Doge to gather information on individual Americans?” Was there a “path” to using tariffs as a threat against enemies and allies alike?” Was there a path for withholding money Congress appropriated? Etc, etc, etc

There a reason the majority of Trump’s actions have wound up in Courts

Trump ain’t concerned with “paths, he learned well from Roy Cohn, do what you want until someone stops you, and who would stop him if he decided to stay at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in 2028? The GOP, no, MAGA, no, the right wing media, no, you can’t be that naive
 
What we know is that he left without fanfare once there was no more path to change what happened.

No matter how many times you try to pretend that the past didn't happen, we have the actual fact as to what did. He left, someone else moved in, we were told that person was the head of an Administration for four years... he then ran in an election, won it, that administration left, and he moved back in...

What we can predict from this: There is no avenue for a third term, there will be an election in 2028, he will not be running. Since there is no path to change that, and from his past actions, we know what will happen.

All this fear mongering aside. Trump will not be running for a third term, nor will he just stay.
Geez, man. Again. Yes, I agree he left last time. I'm not an idiot. But he didn't go easily.

The "no path to change what happened" included inciting an attack on our own nation which included assaulting cops and entering the Capitol with the intent of doing serious harm to Democrats. These things you keep ignoring for some reason.

And again, and please pay attention to the next part: HE ONLY LEFT LAST TIME BECAUSE THERE WERE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION THAT LEFT HIM NO CHOICE.

This time, there are no responsible people left in the trump administration. I'll keep making this point in the hopes that you'll at least acknowledge it. My feeling is that if you truly making the claim that trump will go peacefully at the end of his term, either you're trying to gaslight me, or you're a fool.

trump and Bannon both are guaranteeing trump will have a 3rd term.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KfUXpmtprc


So, let me try a different way to make my point. I'll ask you the question. Who, specifically is going to prevent trump from staying in office after January 20, 2029?


Who? Please, name names or admit you're full of shit.
 
Geez, man. Again. Yes, I agree he left last time. I'm not an idiot. But he didn't go easily.

The "no path to change what happened" included inciting an attack on our own nation which included assaulting cops and entering the Capitol with the intent of doing serious harm to Democrats. These things you keep ignoring for some reason.

And again, and please pay attention to the next part: HE ONLY LEFT LAST TIME BECAUSE THERE WERE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION THAT LEFT HIM NO CHOICE.

This time, there are no responsible people left in the trump administration. I'll keep making this point in the hopes that you'll at least acknowledge it. My feeling is that if you truly making the claim that trump will go peacefully at the end of his term, either you're trying to gaslight me, or you're a fool.

trump and Bannon both are guaranteeing trump will have a 3rd term.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KfUXpmtprc


So, let me try a different way to make my point. I'll ask you the question. Who, specifically is going to prevent trump from staying in office after January 20, 2029?


Who? Please, name names or admit you're full of shit.
The Constitution and the fact that we will hold an election even if he gets all purple faced. The reality is: We know he runs in elections, again from the past. We know one will be held, because of the past... we know he won't be in it, because of the constitution.

Who would just stand there and nod if he decided to try to get rid of the election? This isn't Ukraine... we hold elections even during times of war.

No matter how hard you try to make everyone afraid that he won't leave... We all know he will, because he has already done so once.
 
The Constitution and the fact that we will hold an election even if he gets all purple faced. The reality is: We know he runs in elections, again from the past. We know one will be held, because of the past... we know he won't be in it, because of the constitution.
The Constitution only matters when it's intent is in practice. trumpism defies it - military in our streets, disappearing people, some of them citizens to 3rd world countries or concentration camps? Republicans use "The Constitution" as a punchline.
Who would just stand there and nod if he decided to try to get rid of the election? This isn't Ukraine... we hold elections even during times of war.
I have no clue what the fuck you're on about here. I guess you're insinuating Biden did something criminal with Ukraine. Yeah. I understand you WANT to believe Biden is guilty of anything, but there is no evidence, only claims from a former business partner who hated Hunter.
No matter how hard you try to make everyone afraid that he won't leave... We all know he will, because he has already done so once.
<shrug>. I tried to reason with you. You're not having it. Best of luck with your fantasies.
 
The Constitution only matters when it's intent is in practice. trumpism defies it - military in our streets, disappearing people, some of them citizens to 3rd world countries or concentration camps? Republicans use "The Constitution" as a punchline.

I have no clue what the fuck you're on about here. I guess you're insinuating Biden did something criminal with Ukraine. Yeah. I understand you WANT to believe Biden is guilty of anything, but there is no evidence, only claims from a former business partner who hated Hunter.

<shrug>. I tried to reason with you. You're not having it. Best of luck with your fantasies.
Again... tRump is not the nation, we hold elections even if tRump is a jerk we hold elections. Even when he thought the constitution should be "suspended" we held elections, and the constitution applied.

We, again, know what happens when these things apply, and what will happen when there is no path. And we know it because of past behavior. Even tRump will leave...

You haven't tried to "reason" with anyone. You have tried to fearmonger nonsense. Nobody at all believes that this will happen. I don't even believe you think it will. I think you are just poutraging... and think other folks are stupid enough to believe Newsom receives free hats because Trump remodeled...
 
that once all avenues to change the outcome were exhausted he would leave
Had trump started seeing hope, he may have tried to press his advantage. he may have started arresting judges or others who might oppose him. he definitely wanted to use the army to try to stay in power, but the Pentagon refused.

This time around, he is working ahead of time to get the right people into place. There might be no one to refuse him 2028/2029.
 
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