Guys - I Know We've Said This Many Times - But This Might Be the Thing That Ends Trump

[LurchAddams]

Yes, there is an autopen scandal, and it has far more serious implications than some sex scandal or another. But the MSM is good in covering for the Left who will close ranks and do anything to keep one of their own from being outed as a criminally ignorant moron.

Did trump use auto-pen? Absolutely did. That's not gonna work. Just like your failed attempts to get anything to stick to Biden for 4 years, while Republicans shill for their convicted felon and rapist. Hope springs eternal, man. You have hearsay from a criminal that Biden was guilty of anything. We have court records, reporting from the WSJ, and trump's frantic/guilty behavior over his involvement with Epstein.

Plus, I think your fear aslo stems from trump and Republican's approval ratings tanking. Yes, the dems are still lower, but a few more ICE raids with migrants screaming and ICE people tear-gassing? It's just a matter of time before independents who voted for trump start to regret their vote and look to the Dems for help. It's gonna happen and soon

But good luck Republicans with your latest attempt to slander.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Did trump use auto-pen? Absolutely did. That's not gonna work. Just like your failed attempts to get anything to stick to Biden for 4 years, while Republicans shill for their convicted felon and rapist. Hope springs eternal, man. You have hearsay from a criminal that Biden was guilty of anything. We have court records, reporting from the WSJ, and trump's frantic/guilty behavior over his involvement with Epstein.

Plus, I think your fear aslo stems from trump and Republican's approval ratings tanking. Yes, the dems are still lower, but a few more ICE raids with migrants screaming and ICE people tear-gassing? It's just a matter of time before independents who voted for trump start to regret their vote and look to the Dems for help. It's gonna happen and soon

But good luck Republicans with your latest attempt to slander.

All recent presidents have. That's not the point. No president "signed" over a thousand pardons on their last month in office with one with an autopen, as but one example. Normally, pardons are actually hand signed by the president.

Using a tu quoque fallacy (You too / Well, so-and-so did it too!) isn't justification for anything and not the point of the argument with Biden. The question is did he actually know what was signed and order it or not. The weight of evidence says he didn't. My bet is, if asked point blank cold, that is without any prep time or notes, Biden couldn't tell you who he pardoned even in the most obvious and high profile cases.

That's why now there's a train of close Biden aids and advisors all taking the 5th in the investigation into the autopen use. They know damn well that Biden didn't know what was being signed and they don't want to go to jail.

 

[LurchAddams]

All recent presidents have. That's not the point. No president "signed" over a thousand pardons on their last month in office with one with an autopen, as but one example. Normally, pardons are actually hand signed by the president.

So... the 1,200 J6 rioters trump pardoned. What you want everyone to believe is that trump signed all the 1,200 pardons by hand? Have you lost your fucking mind? <-- that's a serious question, by the way.

Using a tu quoque fallacy (You too / Well, so-and-so did it too!) isn't justification for anything and not the point of the argument with Biden. The question is did he actually know what was signed and order it or not. The weight of evidence says he didn't.

What evidence? I'm going to clear some space with you to post it here and please - no hearsay from Republican criminals like you did with Biden for 4 years:

My bet is, if asked point blank cold, that is without any prep time or notes, Biden couldn't tell you who he pardoned even in the most obvious and high profile cases.

And there it is folks. You got nothing, but you're "betting" aka "hoping" that your hatred of Biden or any Democrat will bear fruit without evidence of wrongdoing. It hasn't happened yet, and it won't- but keep wishing it!

That's why now there's a train of close Biden aids and advisors all taking the 5th in the investigation into the autopen use. They know damn well that Biden didn't know what was being signed and they don't want to go to jail.

How many trump thugs have taken the 5th or refused to testify over the past decade? Certainly, you don't think only Republicans have the right to take the 5th?

Trump invokes Fifth Amendment nearly 450 times in N.Y. AG’s civil probe of his business practices

An attorney for Trump said the former president answered only one question, about his name, during the four-hour deposition.

www.nbcnews.com

450 times? trump took the 5th 450 times and you're freaking out over a few Democrats doing it. Again - you have a serious blind spot regarding the negligence and criminality infecting your own party!

 

[LurchAddams]

All recent presidents have. That's not the point. No president "signed" over a thousand pardons on their last month in office with one with an autopen, as but one example. Normally, pardons are actually hand signed by the president.

Using a tu quoque fallacy (You too / Well, so-and-so did it too!) isn't justification for anything and not the point of the argument with Biden. The question is did he actually know what was signed and order it or not. The weight of evidence says he didn't. My bet is, if asked point blank cold, that is without any prep time or notes, Biden couldn't tell you who he pardoned even in the most obvious and high profile cases.

That's why now there's a train of close Biden aids and advisors all taking the 5th in the investigation into the autopen use. They know damn well that Biden didn't know what was being signed and they don't want to go to jail.

Okay, so you ignored all my arguments. So lets take them one at a time:

1. Are you claiming trump signed all 1,200 J6 rioters pardons by hand?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Okay, so you ignored all my arguments. So lets take them one at a time:

1. Are you claiming trump signed all 1,200 J6 rioters pardons by hand?

No. Trump hand signed an executive order that authorized those pardons. Biden didn't do anything like that. There is ZERO proof that Biden knew those pardons were being made.

Trump's January 6 pardons, where he pardoned over 1,500 individuals convicted or charged in connection with the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot, including some involved in violent confrontations with police officers, were signed by Executive Order on January 20, 2025.

The President signed a total of 26 Executive Orders that day, and there is news footage of him signing those documents.

Fact Check: Did Donald Trump use an autopen for Jan 6 pardons?

A post has gone viral accusing the President of using an autopen to sign pardons, after Trump declared Biden's pardons "void" for the same reason.

www.newsweek.com

 

[鬼百合]

"The most transparent adminstration in history"​

 

[LurchAddams]

No. Trump hand signed an executive order that authorized those pardons. Biden didn't do anything like that. There is ZERO proof that Biden knew those pardons were being made.

Trump's January 6 pardons, where he pardoned over 1,500 individuals convicted or charged in connection with the January 6, 2021, Capitol riot, including some involved in violent confrontations with police officers, were signed by Executive Order on January 20, 2025.

The President signed a total of 26 Executive Orders that day, and there is news footage of him signing those documents.

Fact Check: Did Donald Trump use an autopen for Jan 6 pardons?

A post has gone viral accusing the President of using an autopen to sign pardons, after Trump declared Biden's pardons "void" for the same reason.

www.newsweek.com

Sounds like you got Biden this time. And I'll tell you what - with THIS SCOTUS? It think it's possible Biden might have something to worry about. I give Biden about a 50/50 chance he'll have to deal with any fallout. The Republicans mission for the past couple of decades has been to try to smear Biden with just hearsay but - yeah - if Republicans can get someone on the record supporting the "autopen" bullshit there might be some fallout.

Now - what about trump taking the 5th 450 times but that's not ok for Democrats to do?

 

[鬼百合]

 

[鬼百合]

 

[鬼百合]

Trump's doctor said that he's in 'excellent health' only three months ago. Wonder what happened?​

 

[鬼百合]

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Sounds like you got Biden this time. And I'll tell you what - with THIS SCOTUS? It think it's possible Biden might have something to worry about. I give Biden about a 50/50 chance he'll have to deal with any fallout. The Republicans mission for the past couple of decades has been to try to smear Biden with just hearsay but - yeah - if Republicans can get someone on the record supporting the "autopen" bullshit there might be some fallout.

Now - what about trump taking the 5th 450 times but that's not ok for Democrats to do?

Biden does it to himself. The only thing I can see saving him is he recruits family and those that will give him slathering and unconditional loyalty regardless of competence to work for him. That means when things go to shit, as they inevitably do with Biden, they all close ranks and protect him from the fallout.

I suspect, even with fairly substantial evidence nothing will happen to Biden because of that.

I will say he's--and this my opinion from experience--the worst sort of person to have to work under. That is, someone who's incompetent, knows it, and is unwilling to give up an inch of power. What happens is they make stupid decisions then pin the blame on subordinates for their fuck ups.

Trump on the other hand is a bulldozer. He's bad, but not as bad. He makes more generalized decisions and leaves it to subordinates to get things done. He'll hire competent people to do it but expects 150% output. He'll generally listen to subordinates and their ideas, but he's definitely the one calling the shots. Unless you are an utter workaholic, you get run over and destroyed by someone like Trump. He'll fire you in an instant if you aren't getting things done. Musk is the exact same way.
Put Trump and Musk in the same room and you can bet there won't be survivors.

 

[LurchAddams]

Biden does it to himself. The only thing I can see saving him is he recruits family and those that will give him slathering and unconditional loyalty regardless of competence to work for him. That means when things go to shit, as they inevitably do with Biden, they all close ranks and protect him from the fallout.

I suspect, even with fairly substantial evidence nothing will happen to Biden because of that.

I will say he's--and this my opinion from experience--the worst sort of person to have to work under. That is, someone who's incompetent, knows it, and is unwilling to give up an inch of power. What happens is they make stupid decisions then pin the blame on subordinates for their fuck ups.

Trump on the other hand is a bulldozer. He's bad, but not as bad. He makes more generalized decisions and leaves it to subordinates to get things done. He'll hire competent people to do it but expects 150% output. He'll generally listen to subordinates and their ideas, but he's definitely the one calling the shots. Unless you are an utter workaholic, you get run over and destroyed by someone like Trump. He'll fire you in an instant if you aren't getting things done. Musk is the exact same way.
Put Trump and Musk in the same room and you can bet there won't be survivors.

Why is it ok for trump to take the 5th 450 times but when a Democrat does it you automatically assume there's some "there" there?

Sorry, man. But you keep dodging the question.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

This Epstein scandal was starting to go away today with the Trump/Epstein birthday card scandal. For those of you who don't know:

Bawdy birthday letter to Epstein bears Trump's name, Wall Street Journal reports

The letter was part of an album collected by Ghislaine Maxwell, the former Epstein associate currently in federal prison. Trump denies writing the letter.

www.msnbc.com

"The album's contents were collected by Ghislaine Maxwell, the former Epstein associate who is currently in federal prison. The letter was "among the documents examined by Justice Department officials who investigated Epstein and Maxwell years ago, according to people who have reviewed the pages."


As for the letter's contents, "it contains several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman," the Journal reports. "A pair of small arcs denotes the woman’s breasts, and the future president’s signature is a squiggly 'Donald' below her waist, mimicking pubic hair."

The letter ends with the signoff: “Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret.”

Republicans are power-hungry vipers. It won't be long - as trump's appeal starts to weaken they're all going to start vying for the top spot. But - for this poll - will this be the thing that ends trump?

I voted no.

OTOH, this, along with other erratic Trump actions, is dividing MAGA and pushing MAGAts into Elon's America Party.

 

[LurchAddams]

I voted no.

OTOH, this, along with other erratic Trump actions, is dividing MAGA and pushing MAGAts into Elon's America Party.

Yeah. In the past trump has wriggled out of every scandal, this is true. The difference with this one - it's causing him to bleed support from his own supporters and trump attacks and tries to gaslight them.

Also, trump suing Murdock, directly? That might be a major fuck-up b/c Murdock's influence is as powerful as trump's - Murdock's WSJ media is a respected news source unlike Elon and Twitter. Elon has wealth, but no one likes him. Lots of people have Murdock to thank for their success.

I think Murdock, trump's trump who trump's Elon.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Why is it ok for trump to take the 5th 450 times but when a Democrat does it you automatically assume there's some "there" there?

Sorry, man. But you keep dodging the question.

It isn't one Democrat in the case of Biden and the autopen. It's many Democrats, all of his inner circle so far.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Why is it ok for trump to take the 5th 450 times but when a Democrat does it you automatically assume there's some "there" there?

Sorry, man. But you keep dodging the question.

MAGAts always protect their daddy up to and including lying, hypocrisy and criminal acts. They are traitorous scumbags and should reported to their bosses, neighbors and everyone else.

 

[LurchAddams]

It isn't one Democrat in the case of Biden and the autopen. It's many Democrats, all of his inner circle so far.

So, if only one person in the party takes the 5th, then they're innocent, if more than one takes the 5th, then they're guilty?

Ok: "Hey, Bing - how many Republicans have taken the 5th for trump?"

In investigations related to Donald Trump, several figures, many of whom are Republicans or have strong ties to the Republican Party, have invoked their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
Notable examples include:

• John Eastman: The conservative attorney who advised Trump on efforts to overturn the 2020 election results reportedly invoked the Fifth Amendment dozens of times during his appearance before the House Select Committee investigating the January 6th attack.
• Jeffrey Clark: A former Justice Department official considered by Trump to lead the department, also invoked the Fifth Amendment repeatedly during his testimony before the January 6th Committee.
• Roger Stone: A longtime Trump ally and political consultant, pleaded the Fifth Amendment to every question in a 90-minute deposition before the Jan. 6 committee, according to CNN.
• Michael Flynn: Trump's former National Security Advisor, also took the Fifth during questioning by the Jan. 6 committee and declined to answer whether he believed in a peaceful transition of power, CNN reported.
• Mark Meadows: Trump's former Chief of Staff, refused to testify before the Jan. 6 committee, claiming executive privilege, but did not directly invoke the Fifth Amendment in that context. He later waived his Fifth Amendment rights during testimony in federal court in relation to his criminal case in Georgia.
• Kash Patel: A former federal prosecutor and congressional aide under Trump, invoked his Fifth Amendment rights when questioned about claims that Trump had ordered documents declassified. He was later granted limited immunity to compel his testimony.
• Arizona fake electors: Republicans in Arizona who falsely posed as electors for Trump in 2020 invoked their Fifth Amendment right when appearing before a grand jury in that state.

It is important to note that invoking the Fifth Amendment does not constitute an admission of guilt but rather a constitutional right protecting individuals from being compelled to provide self-incriminating testimony. The January 6th Committee noted that over 30 witnesses invoked their Fifth Amendment rights during all or part of their questioning.

You've lost this one TA. Surrender.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So, what you're saying that if there is a situation or investigation and only one Republican takes the 5th, then he's innocent but if more than one person, Democrat or Republican takes the 5th then the situation or investigation should automatically convict the party where more than one of them in the party is taking the 5th.

Ok: "Hey, Bing - how many Republicans have taken the 5th for trump?"

In investigations related to Donald Trump, several figures, many of whom are Republicans or have strong ties to the Republican Party, have invoked their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.
Notable examples include:

• John Eastman: The conservative attorney who advised Trump on efforts to overturn the 2020 election results reportedly invoked the Fifth Amendment dozens of times during his appearance before the House Select Committee investigating the January 6th attack.
• Jeffrey Clark: A former Justice Department official considered by Trump to lead the department, also invoked the Fifth Amendment repeatedly during his testimony before the January 6th Committee.
• Roger Stone: A longtime Trump ally and political consultant, pleaded the Fifth Amendment to every question in a 90-minute deposition before the Jan. 6 committee, according to CNN.
• Michael Flynn: Trump's former National Security Advisor, also took the Fifth during questioning by the Jan. 6 committee and declined to answer whether he believed in a peaceful transition of power, CNN reported.
• Mark Meadows: Trump's former Chief of Staff, refused to testify before the Jan. 6 committee, claiming executive privilege, but did not directly invoke the Fifth Amendment in that context. He later waived his Fifth Amendment rights during testimony in federal court in relation to his criminal case in Georgia.
• Kash Patel: A former federal prosecutor and congressional aide under Trump, invoked his Fifth Amendment rights when questioned about claims that Trump had ordered documents declassified. He was later granted limited immunity to compel his testimony.
• Arizona fake electors: Republicans in Arizona who falsely posed as electors for Trump in 2020 invoked their Fifth Amendment right when appearing before a grand jury in that state.

It is important to note that invoking the Fifth Amendment does not constitute an admission of guilt but rather a constitutional right protecting individuals from being compelled to provide self-incriminating testimony. The January 6th Committee noted that over 30 witnesses invoked their Fifth Amendment rights during all or part of their questioning.

You've lost this one TA. Surrender.

MAGAts don't care. They are liars and hypocrites. They'll say anything to protect their Orange Daddy.

 

[LurchAddams]

MAGAts always protect their daddy up to and including lying, hypocrisy and criminal acts. They are traitorous scumbags and should reported to their bosses, neighbors and everyone else.

It's just funny to watch them paint themselves more and more into a corner with their own fucking arguments, like poor T.A. here