Gun Monkey Madness!

[Libhater]

Thanks, now we won’t have to listen to AM talk radio if one was curious what was being propagandized about today

If you were to watch FOX NEWS or NEWSMAX TV (and of course you won't) you would see almost on an hourly basis of video
footage of mostly paid leftist imbeciles attacking and trying to murder ICE agents and or stopping them from doing their job in
getting biden's illegal criminals the hell out of America. On a side note, biden let in 11,000 known murderers from these commie
ridden socialist enclaves. And all you leftist loons can do now is to try and protect the very criminals that once murdered someone
and got away with it while they make home here in the U.S. of A.

 

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Seems like an irrelevant response but ok.

Like I said, have your party make gun confiscation a central plank of your 2026 campaign and see how it works out for you

No need, no one has ever campaigned on confiscating guns, and please spare us the one Beta O’Rourke quote, that threat was created and echoed by gun manufacturers

 

[Libhater]

When the proof exists that innocent Americans are no longer in danger if they go to the movies, the mall, the club, the spa, the church, the senior citizen home, the school, the concert, etc., etc., etc., I’d say the right to life supersedes anything in the 2nd Amendment

Knifes don’t kill as many nor as fast as a semiautomatic weapon does, I’d gladly replace the insanity of guns for a knife problem

Reasonable? Personally, I’d make access more difficult, eliminate private sales, treat gun ownership as we do vehicles to include liability insurance, heavily penalize purchase violators, and eliminate the Iron Pipeline. Have no problem with the guy who enjoys hunting, antique collection, competition, but see no purpose for people to be carrying 24/7

Innocent Americans won't we be in danger until the Trump team locates and deports every single one of biden's 21 million criminal illegals.
But that 21 million number doesn't even include all of the radical whack jobs on the left that are processing their own criminal agenda by
attacking our police and ICE agents while also supporting the liberal agenda to defund our current police, and give criminals a get out of
jail free card.

 

[RB 60]

Ahhh, it's always refreshing to hear an ammosexual hold forth on the manly arts of gun and weapon manufacture.

Please, wise sage of the boomstick, tell us more from your vast trove of knowledge of all things gun!

I am a master machinist, so yeah, building a silencer isn't that complicated. Parting off the inner discs is the hardest part (but it really isn't that bad).

If I told you half of what I know about ballistics, coefficients, barrel twist rates, seating depths, etc, your head would explode.

 

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If you were to watch FOX NEWS or NEWSMAX TV (and of course you won't) you would see almost on an hourly basis of video
footage of mostly paid leftist imbeciles attacking and trying to murder ICE agents and or stopping them from doing their job in
getting biden's illegal criminals the hell out of America. On a side note, biden let in 11,000 known murderers from these commie
ridden socialist enclaves. And all you leftist loons can do now is to try and protect the very criminals that once murdered someone
and got away with it while they make home here in the U.S. of A.

I don’t watch any infotainment channels, I do however flip thru Fox and the Blaze channels surfing on the radio while driving, they’re humorous. And I do scan the NY Post plus WSJ on occasion, the first for the sports page, the latter cause it is legitimate, so I do get a frequent Murdoch dose often

And the reason those sources you mention, although you forgot OAN, pound home the immigration armageddon you swallow whole is because they know it sells, profits, Trump knows it sells also, plus for Trump it is a gimme deflection incase things aren’t going smoothly, which they aren’t

 

[Libhater]

I don’t watch any infotainment channels, I do however flip thru Fox and the Blaze channels surfing on the radio while driving, they’re humorous. And I do scan the NY Post plus WSJ on occasion, the first for the sports page, the latter cause it is legitimate, so I do get a frequent Murdoch dose often

And the reason those sources you mention, although you forgot OAN, pound home the immigration armageddon you swallow whole is because they know it sells, profits, Trump knows it sells also, plus for Trump it is a gimme deflection incase things aren’t going smoothly, which they aren’t

So you made my point by admitting that you haven't seen or even heard about all these leftists attacking our police and our ICE agents.
If you ever do get to see these lefty criminals attacking our police and ICE agents (which is almost on a daily basis) then would you come
back and admit that they're on the wrong side of America, and on the wrong side of our law?

 

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So you made my point by admitting that you haven't seen or even heard about all these leftists attacking our police and our ICE agents.
If you ever do get to see these lefty criminals attacking our police and ICE agents (which is almost on a daily basis) then would you come
back and admit that they're on the wrong side of America, and on the wrong side of our law?

“All,” I have heard and read about attacks on Ice agents, but nothing measuring a threatening level, also seen attacks on regular police, seen a mailman attacked, teachers attacked, etc., etc., and it is not surprising, when you forcibly remove kids from schools, or without transparency ship people all over the place, people are going to react

 

[leaningright]

There's a very solid reason why reciprocity makes sense. Allowing a state, or municipality, to create any gun law they want to creates a patchwork of geographical nightmares for compliance. In todays society where a person might have to drive across several counties and municipalities every single day for making a living and providing for a family and could put themselves at risk of prison every day unless they stay home. On top of that, major metropolitan areas are meccas for gang violence where law abiding citizens are not allowed to protect themselves from criminals who are not obeying those gun laws. That is completely opposite of what Heller states the 2nd Amendment is for.

When traveling for vacations and such I always have to do a deep dive into gun regulations in various states and cities we’ll be either passing through or staying in. A couple of years ago we flew into Sioux Falls, SD, rented a vehicle and drove through the badlands, saw the sights, went through North Dakota, down through Minnesota into Wisconsin then back across Minnesota and South Dakota to Sioux Falls.

I was legal to carry in every state (I’m getting pretty good at flying with my carry weapon) except Minnesota. I felt the greatest need to be armed in Minneapolis. I couldn’t carry there … legally.

Edit: I forgot to add that I like reciprocity.

 

[Teflon Don]

No need, no one has ever campaigned on confiscating guns, and please spare us the one Beta O’Rourke quote, that threat was created and echoed by gun manufacturers

No one has ever campaigned on confiscating guns? Really?

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pPpaH__ZVy8


What is a mandatory buyback program? If that isn't confiscation dressed up as something else, I don't know what is. Of course you can try to redefine the word "mandatory"

Will you have the humility to admit you are wrong? I mean your recent Presidential nominee supports confiscation.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

When the proof exists that innocent Americans are no longer in danger if they go to the movies, the mall, the club, the spa, the church, the senior citizen home, the school, the concert, etc., etc., etc., I’d say the right to life supersedes anything in the 2nd Amendment

An impossible goal. You could be endangered in any of those situations by someone playing "The Knockout Game," or with a knife, or strongarm robbing you, or carjacking you, etc. That doesn't require a firearm. So, your condition isn't met by ending the 2nd Amendment.

Knifes don’t kill as many nor as fast as a semiautomatic weapon does, I’d gladly replace the insanity of guns for a knife problem

Mass stabbings occur regularly across Europe.

Knives kill more people than rifles like the AR-15 each year, even this anti-gun site grudgingly admits

Did the FBI Say Knives are Used in Five Times More Murders than...

A number of posts led readers to believe the Federal Bureau of Investigation's crime statistics implicated knives as far deadlier than rifles, but there are a few issues with that assessment.

www.truthorfiction.com

Homicides by murder weapon in the U.S. 2023| Statista

Handguns are by far the most common murder weapon used in the United States, accounting for 7,159 homicides in 2023.

www.statista.com

While handguns (aka pistols) are a serious issue, rifles are not. By the same token, knives simply replace pistols much of the time to no net difference.

Reasonable? Personally, I’d make access more difficult, eliminate private sales, treat gun ownership as we do vehicles to include liability insurance, heavily penalize purchase violators, and eliminate the Iron Pipeline. Have no problem with the guy who enjoys hunting, antique collection, competition, but see no purpose for people to be carrying 24/7

Access more difficult how? Demanding they be kept in a gun safe? Try enforcing that.

Eliminate private sales? That would be very difficult to do too.

Require liability insurance? Try getting that past the courts. That is putting a monetary restriction on a Right. It would be no different than requiring liability insurance to speak in public. How would that help? If someone is using their firearm responsibly, they likely already have something like homeowners to cover an accidental firearm injury. On the other hand, a criminal using a firearm illegally wouldn't be covered in any case by insurance. The company would deny the claim on the basis it involved criminal activity. It'd be no different that if you burned your house down to collect. Crimes aren't covered.

You may say you have "no problem..." but you do. By all of the above you are penalizing that guy and doing nothing to the criminal who flaunts the very laws you passed to supposedly stop him.

I see no purpose to carrying 24/7 either but I don't begrudge or want to see such a person stopped from doing so if they are doing it responsibly. Rights come with having to endure the discomfort of others exercising them freely and responsibly in ways you disagree with.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I just addressed this in my response to Damo! As for the "suppressors"....imagine some yahoo deciding to go vigilante in another state and he hits an innocent by accident? What if the joker who let loose at the country western concert had silencers on all his weapons? Or the many school shootings? Bad moon rising on this one if it becomes law.

It'd make no difference. If the rounds are sonic, there's still a crack as they pass through the air. People getting shot would be no more or less likely to be shot as the silencer makes zero difference to the accuracy of the fire. How would using one change the situations you proposed?

For example, the Vegas shooter was far enough away that the muzzle blast and sound wouldn't carry over background noise. It wasn't until people started getting hit that anyone realized they were being shot at.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No need, no one has ever campaigned on confiscating guns, and please spare us the one Beta O’Rourke quote, that threat was created and echoed by gun manufacturers

handfulls of democrat politicians have campaigned on confiscating weapons from the people. stop buying in to the bullshit.

 

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An impossible goal. You could be endangered in any of those situations by someone playing "The Knockout Game," or with a knife, or strongarm robbing you, or carjacking you, etc. That doesn't require a firearm. So, your condition isn't met by ending the 2nd Amendment.


Mass stabbings occur regularly across Europe.

Knives kill more people than rifles like the AR-15 each year, even this anti-gun site grudgingly admits

Did the FBI Say Knives are Used in Five Times More Murders than...

A number of posts led readers to believe the Federal Bureau of Investigation's crime statistics implicated knives as far deadlier than rifles, but there are a few issues with that assessment.

www.truthorfiction.com

Homicides by murder weapon in the U.S. 2023| Statista

Handguns are by far the most common murder weapon used in the United States, accounting for 7,159 homicides in 2023.

www.statista.com

While handguns (aka pistols) are a serious issue, rifles are not. By the same token, knives simply replace pistols much of the time to no net difference.

Access more difficult how? Demanding they be kept in a gun safe? Try enforcing that.

Eliminate private sales? That would be very difficult to do too.

Require liability insurance? Try getting that past the courts. That is putting a monetary restriction on a Right. It would be no different than requiring liability insurance to speak in public. How would that help? If someone is using their firearm responsibly, they likely already have something like homeowners to cover an accidental firearm injury. On the other hand, a criminal using a firearm illegally wouldn't be covered in any case by insurance. The company would deny the claim on the basis it involved criminal activity. It'd be no different that if you burned your house down to collect. Crimes aren't covered.

You may say you have "no problem..." but you do. By all of the above you are penalizing that guy and doing nothing to the criminal who flaunts the very laws you passed to supposedly stop him.

I see no purpose to carrying 24/7 either but I don't begrudge or want to see such a person stopped from doing so if they are doing it responsibly. Rights come with having to endure the discomfort of others exercising them freely and responsibly in ways you disagree with.

Question of probability, much higher and real with guns, and it is preventable

As I said, knifes cannot kill dozens of people in minutes, Steven Paddock couldn’t have done what he did with a knife n

Creating more hurdles, today you can even obtain a gun on the regular internet, plenty Craigslist type sites, promise to follow all applicable laws, don’t cross State lines, and it becomes private sale. And private sales can also be regulated

Works with vehicles, and can be adapted to fit guns

Then why are “guys doing nothing” penalized when not being able to circle their property with clayborn mines?

The problem is the majority of mass shooters were “responsible” till the second they pulled the trigger

 

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handfulls of democrat politicians have campaigned on confiscating weapons from the people. stop buying in to the bullshit.

Well then it should be each to give us just dozen of those “handfuls” you claim campaigned on confiscating guns, support what you claim, prove it, otherwise, you’ ve proved you are making up your own facts

 

[Taichiliberal]

I'm not cheering the gun lobby by any means.
There isn't much to do with right wing politics that gets supported by me.

I'm addressing the reality that this nation is too polarized to amend the constitution given how much consensus is required
to do so.

I certainly agree with your implication that the Citizens United opinion was a fucking disaster,
but I don't agree with your reverence for all of the constitution's checks and balances provisions.

Democracy or dictatorship alike, there's no other system of government on the planet as inefficient as ours,
and I'm not inclined to celebrate that. I'm too much of a neat freak to like the loose ends aspects
of our government and economic systems alike.

Many of us here are not.
I get that. I just think
that buying a parliamentary procedure book at Barnes & Noble,
primitive as that would be,
could give us a better form of government
than the founders gave us. Just my opinion.

We have a serious gun problem.
I'm not disputing that.

My point is that I regard it as being far from our biggest problem.
Compared to our other deficiencies, it doesn't bother me as much as it bothers you,
and I feel that there are more pressing problems
that we have a better chance of successfully addressing.

I don't have young children or grandchildren in school.
I don't have the usual liberal paranoia about firearms.
Nobody has been shot in my neighborhood for four or five years, for Christ's sake.

I'd like to have more reasonable gun control without mimicking other nations' overboard prohibitions.

I'd like cradle to grave socialized medicine
and an abolition of "right to work" laws
a whole lot more.
People can have different priorities.

Try selling your screed to the surviving victims and/or the families of mass shootings for the last what, 30 years. Or for that matter, the same for victims of criminal (i.e., gangs) gun violence where the guns were easily obtained via an Iron Pipeline. Explain to them that they have "liberal paranoia" regarding the gun controversy. I suggest you do so from a fast moving car.

One can debate whether it's the "biggest" problem our nation faces, but it sure as hell is in the top five.

And it's not a case of "reverence" for our Constitutional checks and balances....it's a desire for our congressional representatives to actually make the damned things work for all Americans. Hence the OP.

Just because you're not feeling the heat doesn't mean you can blow off what others feel .... especially when we all (technically) pay the same entry fee to have things work better (aka taxes).

 

[Taichiliberal]

Huh?

We are a nation created from the colonialization/imperialism of other countries ... laying waste to the native population while using a century or so of institutionalized slave labor to "build this country". There is NO WAY to transition to some similar type of gov't as based in Europe/South America/Asia as we do NOT have their history of "same-ness" in population and culture.

 

[Taichiliberal]

When traveling for vacations and such I always have to do a deep dive into gun regulations in various states and cities we’ll be either passing through or staying in. A couple of years ago we flew into Sioux Falls, SD, rented a vehicle and drove through the badlands, saw the sights, went through North Dakota, down through Minnesota into Wisconsin then back across Minnesota and South Dakota to Sioux Falls.

I was legal to carry in every state (I’m getting pretty good at flying with my carry weapon) except Minnesota. I felt the greatest need to be armed in Minneapolis. I couldn’t carry there … legally.

Edit: I forgot to add that I like reciprocity.

So essentially you contain your gun carrying travel in states with laws favorable to you (or not strict enough where you can't illegally carry your weapon). Of course, you can't get on a commercial plane armed, nor on a cruise ship, if I'm not mistaken.

The current proposals would pretty much expand what you do nationwide. Of course, as I pointed out in the OP and subsequent exchanges, not all the possible problems have been thought through.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

Ahhh, it's always refreshing to hear an ammosexual hold forth on the manly arts of gun and weapon manufacture.

Please, wise sage of the boomstick, tell us more from your vast trove of knowledge of all things gun!

Arby the rural rube thinks everyone is in awe about him being a gun goon,very laughable imdeed

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Well then it should be each to give us just dozen of those “handfuls” you claim campaigned on confiscating guns, support what you claim, prove it, otherwise, you’ ve proved you are making up your own facts

they have been posted on this and the old forum many times. It's your problem for intentionally ignoring them.

 

[RB 60]

Arby the rural rube thinks everyone is in awe about him being a gun goon,very laughable imdeed

No one cares what you think, you bigoted racist maggot.