Ode to the Climate Science-Denier

[Cypress]

Dixie, if you want to believe Sarah Palin, and Matt Drudge that there was a massive conspiracy of lying climate scientists, and that global warming is a fraud, that's fine.

You don't have to believe the National Academy of Science, or professional independent investgators. No worries, man.

We all know after 6 years on message boards that your ignorance and buffoonery is incurable. Carry on, professor.

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From the HEAD of the CRU.... one of Cypress's beloved masters....

B - Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming

Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods, and much less likely for shorter periods.

C - Do you agree that from January 2002 to the present there has been statistically significant global cooling?

No. This period is even shorter than 1995-2009. The trend this time is negative (-0.12C per decade), but this trend is not statistically significant.

Note: the answer to B was a positive 0.12 the answer to C was a -0.12.... note the way Jones answers the two and then ask yourself if he is biased.

D - Do you agree that natural influences could have contributed significantly to the global warming observed from 1975-1998, and, if so, please could you specify each natural influence and express its radiative forcing over the period in Watts per square metre.

This area is slightly outside my area of expertise. When considering changes over this period we need to consider all possible factors (so human and natural influences as well as natural internal variability of the climate system). Natural influences (from volcanoes and the Sun) over this period could have contributed to the change over this period. Volcanic influences from the two large eruptions (El Chichon in 1982 and Pinatubo in 1991) would exert a negative influence. Solar influence was about flat over this period. Combining only these two natural influences, therefore, we might have expected some cooling over this period.

great...

H - If you agree that there were similar periods of warming since 1850 to the current period, and that the MWP is under debate, what factors convince you that recent warming has been largely man-made?

The fact that we can't explain the warming from the 1950s by solar and volcanic forcing - see my answer to your question D.

This is the unimpeachable work Cypress touts..... 'HEY we can't explain it, so since we essentially don't know... we will blame it on man. That way we can keep getting funded to study this problem. The politicians can then impose restrictive cap and trade schemes to transfer wealth to their cronies and keep the public under their thumb'

As to Cypress's claim that the debate is over (according to his unimpeachable NAS)

N - When scientists say "the debate on climate change is over", what exactly do they mean - and what don't they mean?

It would be supposition on my behalf to know whether all scientists who say the debate is over are saying that for the same reason. I don't believe the vast majority of climate scientists think this. This is not my view. There is still much that needs to be undertaken to reduce uncertainties, not just for the future, but for the instrumental (and especially the palaeoclimatic) past as well.

Hmmm... so I guess Jones disagrees with Cypress and his unimpeachable NAS....

But again... Cypress will pretend the link to the BBC is really just a right wing blog site...

 

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Yurtsie! Are you ready to present that great plan for Iran?

LOL...just as i predicted...you are going to OBSESS over this lie for DAYS or WEEKS

i enumerated my ideas more than once....you are the only dishonest hack asking for them....

and as per your usual....when confronted with your hypocrisy or dishonesty....you deflect like a desperate prom queen with no date to the prom

 

[Onceler]

LOL...just as i predicted...you are going to OBSESS over this lie for DAYS or WEEKS

i enumerated my ideas more than once....you are the only dishonest hack asking for them....

and as per your usual....when confronted with your hypocrisy or dishonesty....you deflect like a desperate prom queen with no date to the prom

Oh, but Yurtsie! I have said nothing hypocritical - that's the problem. You're just doing your usual "hypocrite" thing, but you can't present any statement I have made that is hypocritical.

Poor Yurtsie. And still no plan for Iran.

And do you know what else I loved? "Only the libs thought mission accomplished was about more than Saddam" - what a hoot! You must live on planet koolaid, Yurtsie!

 

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Oh, but Yurtsie! I have said nothing hypocritical - that's the problem. You're just doing your usual "hypocrite" thing, but you can't present any statement I have made that is hypocritical.

Poor Yurtsie. And still no plan for Iran.

And do you know what else I loved? "Only the libs thought mission accomplished was about more than Saddam" - what a hoot! You must live on planet koolaid, Yurtsie!

Um... this is NOT the thread on that topic.... do try not to divert this thread. Thanks.

 

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Oh, but Yurtsie! I have said nothing hypocritical - that's the problem. You're just doing your usual "hypocrite" thing, but you can't present any statement I have made that is hypocritical.

Poor Yurtsie. And still no plan for Iran.

And do you know what else I loved? "Only the libs thought mission accomplished was about more than Saddam" - what a hoot! You must live on planet koolaid, Yurtsie!

why do you have to derail every thread i'm in with your obsessions about some other thread? good lord...get a life

 

[Onceler]

why do you have to derail every thread i'm in with your obsessions about some other thread? good lord...get a life

I derailed nothing, Yurtsie. You were the one who jumped in - as usual - to make some sort of faux hypocrisy charge, which contributed nothing to the discussion.

Poor ol' Yurtsie! Can't put 2 & 2 together on this stuff...

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dixie, if you want to believe Sarah Palin, and Matt Drudge that there was a massive conspiracy of lying climate scientists, and that global warming is a fraud, that's fine.

You don't have to believe the National Academy of Science, or professional independent investgators. No worries, man.

We all know after 6 years on message boards that your ignorance and buffoonery is incurable. Carry on, professor.

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Thanks Prissy, I appreciate you giving me permission to believe Sarah Palin and Matt Drudge, and that is what I fully intend to do. They obviously know much more than you on the subject, and are much better informed. As for the National Academy of Science, they have proven to be incapable of an objective analysis on this subject. Apparently, pinheaded 'Warmer' morons, like yourself, have infiltrated the ranks and manipulated (or outright forged) the data to support an agenda-driven theory, which is contrary to science as I understand it. I don't trust a thing they have to say about it, to be honest. There are a number of scientists who do not subscribe to the fraudulent theory of man-made global warming, and I choose to believe what they have to say instead.

 

[Taichiliberal]

And the beat goes on!


Satellites Confirm Half-Century of West Antarctic Warming

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/warming_antarctica.html

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Now you are being just as moronic as Cypress. It has NOT 'all been discredited' any more than it is 'end of debate, conclusive'

See.... Right here is where you fuck up! You want to actually ENTERTAIN the stupidity and propaganda of the warmers, because you believe it makes you appear 'objective' and 'forward-thinking' to others. You have this undying need to be "moderate" and try to be liked and appreciated by all, so you actually allow this garbage to continue to be perpetuated by the warmers. You're an ENABLER! You should pull your head out of your ass and realize what a lie and fraud this has been on the public, and it should actually ANGER you that your tax dollars have been squandered on funding Al Gore and his malarkey.

Stuff like this is what makes you a PINHEAD, SF... if it weren't for these sort of things, you could probably live a normal functional life as a non-pinhead. Just stop and try to realize, your cow-towing, pandering, and fawning over left-wing lunacy, is NOT making you more popular or well-liked. You'd be far better off relying on your own intellect and common sense, and avoiding these kind of debates.

 

[Cypress]

AGAIN... as stated every other time you post this nonsense... when you ask the fox to investigate the foxes activities in the hen house... it just MIGHT be a tad biased.



No it is not settled fact.

1) Jones admitted they did not keep all the data, so it cannot be reproduced. Thus, no one can test the data to see if it is accurate.

2) Jones admitted that there has been no significant warming over the past 15 years. A point you continue to duck.

3) Jones has everything to gain by continuing the fear mongering campaign, yet you proclaim him and the other fear mongers 'unimpeachable'.... which clearly shows that you are just a brain dead lemming willing to stand by the flat earth fear mongers regardless of anything that might contradict your precious THEORY.

4) Jones himself... one of your beloved masters... stated in the BBC interview that the matter is NOT settled. That there is still a lot we do not know.

5) The charts you linked to... show the areas with the greatest 'cooling' are the ones with the LEAST amount of stations and thus the most 'extrapolated data'

6) The link you provided also states that the stations in Africa and South America are largely unreliable. Yet again... extrapolated data is used there as well. (even though this is not done when trying to figure out if the southern hemisphere was warmer during the medieval period.)

7) Speaking of the medieval period... all known data suggests that period was warmer today. Though the fear mongers do state that because of lack of data in the southern hemisphere they cannot state if the globe as a whole was warmer. Funny how extrapolating data over large areas just isn't acceptable when it might show something they don't want to be seen.

But I know... you will continue to post crap from your masters, continue to ignore all the evidence that suggests this most certainly ISN'T conclusive nor is it FACT. Because you are a brain dead lemming doing the bidding of your masters.

We've been over this. You never give links when you do this. You just toss some things out, and expect it to be accepted as credible. When I ask you to give me links to validate your conclusions, conjectures, and cherry-picking, you give me something like ClimateAudit - a blog run by a dude who's not a climate scientists, or some other obscure blogs, like "stoptheseeps" or whatever that was. .

I'm not playing that game again. Give me a link to a reputable, and internationally recognized organization with expertise in climate science that supports your contention that the science of climate change is fraudulent, or highly questionable and dubious.

Until I see such a link from you, I'm going with the conclusions of the U.S. National Sciences Academy. I'm not playing this game anymore. No offense bro.

U.S. National Academy of Sciences: "It is settled fact that that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities."

May 2010


A strong, credible body of scientific evidence shows that climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for a broad range of human and natural systems….

Some scientific conclusions or theories have been so thoroughly examined and tested, and supported by so many independent observations and results, that their likelihood of subsequently being found to be wrong is vanishingly small. Such conclusions and theories are then regarded as settled facts. This is the case for the conclusions that the Earth system is warming and that much of this warming is very likely due to human activities.

--US National Academy of Sciences

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

And the beat goes on!


Satellites Confirm Half-Century of West Antarctic Warming

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/warming_antarctica.html

I guess we need to get Sesame Street to do a documentary for you guys... THE EARTH GETS WARM --- THE EARTH GETS COOL --- LALALALALALALALALALALAAA!

I think that may be the only way to reach some of you! This cycle of cooling AND WARMING has been taking place for billions of years on this planet! No one has ever denied that this happens! Yet, you keep pulling out these asinine studies that show "the earth is warming---gasp!" Like it's some alarming news that means something! It's been happening for billions of years... that's BEFORE man was emitting CO2 into the atmosphere!

 

[Onceler]

Dixie - weren't you told to stay away from the science threads?

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Dixie - weren't you told to stay away from the science threads?

Weren't you told to go fuck yourself???

 

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See.... Right here is where you fuck up! You want to actually ENTERTAIN the stupidity and propaganda of the warmers, because you believe it makes you appear 'objective' and 'forward-thinking' to others. You have this undying need to be "moderate" and try to be liked and appreciated by all, so you actually allow this garbage to continue to be perpetuated by the warmers. You're an ENABLER! You should pull your head out of your ass and realize what a lie and fraud this has been on the public, and it should actually ANGER you that your tax dollars have been squandered on funding Al Gore and his malarkey.

Stuff like this is what makes you a PINHEAD, SF... if it weren't for these sort of things, you could probably live a normal functional life as a non-pinhead. Just stop and try to realize, your cow-towing, pandering, and fawning over left-wing lunacy, is NOT making you more popular or well-liked. You'd be far better off relying on your own intellect and common sense, and avoiding these kind of debates.

EASY ditzie... you simply need to choose your words more carefully. To suggest that ALL of the data has been discredited is simply ridiculous. I don't think anyone on this site is going to mistake me for someone enabling the fear mongers. But when you make idiotic claims... THAT helps the flat earth fear mongers... because then they point to people like you as examples of a 'typical opponent'.

 

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We've been over this. You never give links when you do this. You just toss some things out, and expect it to be accepted as credible. When I ask you to give me links to validate your conclusions, conjectures, and cherry-picking, you give me something like ClimateAudit - a blog run by a dude who's not a climate scientists, or some other obscure blogs, like "stoptheseeps" or whatever that was. .

I'm not playing that game again. Give me a link to a reputable, and internationally recognized organization with expertise in climate science that supports your contention that the science of climate change is fraudulent, or highly questionable and dubious.

Until I see such a link from you, I'm going with the conclusions of the U.S. National Sciences Academy. I'm not playing this game anymore. No offense bro.

Again... SEE post #102

This is your standard bullshit cypress... pretending that you cannot see the BBC link. Pretending that the head of the CRU doesn't disagree with your unimpeachable NAS.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

EASY ditzie... you simply need to choose your words more carefully. To suggest that ALL of the data has been discredited is simply ridiculous. I don't think anyone on this site is going to mistake me for someone enabling the fear mongers. But when you make idiotic claims... THAT helps the flat earth fear mongers... because then they point to people like you as examples of a 'typical opponent'.

Any and all data which suggests that man-made emissions of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, has increased the greenhouse effect and caused the planet to warm dramatically, has either been tainted by manipulation, fraudulently ascertained, or does not exist. There is absolutely NOTHING scientific to make the conclusions being made. NOT ONE DAMN SINGLE SOLITARY BIT OF EVIDENCE! NONE! NADDA! ZILCH!

You are trying to be "fair and objective" in some kind of rational way, with people who are not fair, not objective, and anything BUT rational! That makes you a Class A Pinhead!

 

[Onceler]

Any and all data which suggests that man-made emissions of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, has increased the greenhouse effect and caused the planet to warm dramatically, has either been tainted by manipulation, fraudulently ascertained, or does not exist. There is absolutely NOTHING scientific to make the conclusions being made. NOT ONE DAMN SINGLE SOLITARY BIT OF EVIDENCE! NONE! NADDA! ZILCH!

You are trying to be "fair and objective" in some kind of rational way, with people who are not fair, not objective, and anything BUT rational! That makes you a Class A Pinhead!

See this Superfreak? This is what "your side" is like.

Way to go.

 

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See this Superfreak? This is what "your side" is like.

Way to go.

hmmm... what's the word I am looking for?????

 

[Timshel]

Dixie - weren't you told to stay away from the science threads?

Really, he is just going to make superfreak have to do damage control as he tries to get the GW side to ignore Dixie's pathetic (straw man) arguments and focus on his.

Don't worry too much superfreak. No one actually expects Ditzy will have the best counter arguments.