real racism

[Taichiliberal]

Well pinhead....I see you've changed your tune to reflect a little reason in post 341...kudos...You slink around the edges a little,(rationalize) but in essence..you now agree with what I've been saying from the start, it was racist.

I don't yet understand why you keep on with "So the "Lunch Brunch" was created and functioned for a period of time UNCONTESTED"

who the hell cares if it was uncontested...it was ILLEGAL from the start...the fact it was overlooked is irrelevant to this debate and changes absolutely nothing...

YOU PROUD MORON! The entire article was about parents wailing about the racial discrimination of the group! IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN WHY LET THE GROUP COME INTO BEING IN THE FIRST PLACE? WHY DID THE LOCAL DEPT. OF ED. ALLOW IT? THE SCHOOL BOARD. IF IT WAS AS YOU SAY, "ILLEGAL FROM THE START", THEN WHY DID EVERYONE WAIT UNTIL THE KIDS WHINED ABOUT NOT GOING ON A FIELD TRIP? THE QUESTION REMAINS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, BECAUSE IT POINTS TO EITHER THE FOREMENTIONED BEING FULL OF SHIT OR SLOW TO CATCH ON.



ps....there is no post 361 as yet My error...Post #216

Bravo, you are a complete idiot and consumate liar! All any rational person with a GED reading level has to do is follow the chronology of the posts to see that I've NEVER "changed my tune". YOUR problem is your knee jerk bigotry against anything you perceive as "liberal". That results in your inability to comprehend what you read, much less retain a basic understanding of what's recently transpired.

Bottom line: YOU wanted to scream "reverse racism" as the be all end all...and as the board ruling showed, no one INTENDED racism (remember, though in violation of law, the actions were "well intentioned"). As I said FROM THE START, a bad move by the principal...nothing more.

Grow the fuck up, Bravo.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Well, back on topic, it seems we agree. There is no way in hell that test scores resulted in a strictly Black population determined to be at risk. Anyone who believes that the racial division was borne out by test scores, and not ONE non-black had at-risk test results is either a fucking liar, or completely brain dead. Specialty programs should be according to need of all, not aimed at the needy of a chosen skin color.

You're letting your bias blind you to the simple logic, GL. NO ONE SAID THAT NON-BLACK STUDENTS HAD LOUSY GRADES.....what WAS said was that AFTER THE TEST SCORES CAME IN, it was apparent that black kids were scoring lower as a group. The test scores made the distinction.....think back to when it was publicized that women scored better than boys in math....no one screamed "resverse mysogyny"...they just addressed the issue. Unfortunately in Ann Arbor, the principal made a wrong move...and as the final decree stated, though he was "well intentioned", he violated the law.

I still find the protest from the parents of the non-black kids that didn't go on the trip somewhat disingenuous....if the very concept of the lunch bunch was "racist", then why did it take everyone in opposition so damned long to figure it out and enact the proper ruling?

 

[Taichiliberal]

ha..that would be TCpeckerhead.....he believes it....but I let it go,.....if he needs to "rationalize' why this club was all black only, so be it....he has a hard time admitting to being wrong on any level....

but I did question that explanation as you have.....just as the crap about "joining" the club...I seriously doubt you voluntarily joined, you were there because of being 'at risk' , I let that bit of rationalization slid too....

Someone clue Bravo in, please:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=652917&postcount=381

 

[Taichiliberal]

ADVICE WORTH REPEATING

Might as well save your fingers Folks........talking rationally to ignorant, brain impaired, racist pinheads like RS, TC, Cypress, etc. is just a waste of time....

they're amusing, to a degree, for a limited period of time, but the entertainment wears off pretty fast....

Racists that don't realize they are racists ?...wow...the degree of rationalization and the depth they can force their heads up their asses is not to be underestimated

Man, you need to see that therapists.....every blessed time you can't win an argument or are not 100% correct, you just have a hissy fit until someone pays attention to you.

Stop deluding yourself and stamping your widdle feet, Bravo...

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=652917&postcount=381

 

[NOVA]

Bravo, you are a complete idiot and consumate liar! All any rational person with a GED reading level has to do is follow the chronology of the posts to see that I've NEVER "changed my tune". YOUR problem is your knee jerk bigotry against anything you perceive as "liberal". That results in your inability to comprehend what you read, much less retain a basic understanding of what's recently transpired.

Bottom line: YOU wanted to scream "reverse racism" as the be all end all...and as the board ruling showed, no one INTENDED racism (remember, though in violation of law, the actions were "well intentioned"). As I said FROM THE START, a bad move by the principal...nothing more.

Grow the fuck up, Bravo.

Your "bottom line" leaves out the pertinent facts....

HERE is the complete bottom line....

PERTINENT FACT #1
It was Illegal, against school policy, and racist, because it was for "blacks only" not open for anyone to join...its was for "blacks at risk" (The name was a dead giveaway...African American Lunch Bunch"

PERTINENT FACT #2
The "intention" of a racist act is irrelevant, racism is racism, and all the good intentions in the world don't change that

PERTINENT FACT #3
YOU would not even admit to its racism and the illegality of the group at the beginning.(starting in #78)

PERTINENT FACT #4
You've since "changed you tune"

ps....this post is actually for other readers so they don't have to waste time reading the entire thread....these are the facts

 

[NOVA]

TC RANTS:

The entire article was about parents wailing about the racial discrimination of the group! IF THAT IS THE CASE, THEN WHY LET THE GROUP COME INTO BEING IN THE FIRST PLACE? WHY DID THE LOCAL DEPT. OF ED. ALLOW IT? THE SCHOOL BOARD. IF IT WAS AS YOU SAY, "ILLEGAL FROM THE START", THEN WHY DID EVERYONE WAIT UNTIL THE KIDS WHINED ABOUT NOT GOING ON A FIELD TRIP? THE QUESTION REMAINS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, BECAUSE IT POINTS TO EITHER THE FOREMENTIONED BEING FULL OF SHIT OR SLOW TO CATCH ON.

THE FACTS: Link in Post #1
http://www.annarbor.com/news/black-...s-controversy-at-ann-arbor-elementary-school/

Finally in the 7th paragragh, parents are mentioned...
hardly qualifies as the moron rants " The entire article was about parents wailing about the racial discrimination " (Undeniable truth)

"A handful of parents have complained to district administrators about the trip, the group and Madison. More than a half-dozen parents contacted AnnArbor.com to raise the complaints, but none would agree to talk on the record, citing concerns of reprisals to their children by Madison"

TC RANTS: "WHY" "WHY" "WHY" ...like a child.

The first 2 whys....

Because the principle is black...no one had the balls to challenge him for fear of being labeled "racist"...(a quite common occurrence, even on this board.)

The next why....

The kids brought the racism and injustice to the attention of their parents, the school administrators, etc....
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I really get tired schooling you on thread after thread, but this has been pleasure because it been so easy to show your personal racism and inability to face facts to the public, for all to see first hand....

 

[NOVA]

Man, you need to see that therapists.....every blessed time you can't win an argument or are not 100% correct, you just have a hissy fit until someone pays attention to you.

Stop deluding yourself and stamping your widdle feet, Bravo...

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showpost.php?p=652917&postcount=381

Its cute how you imagine yourself so clever....cute, as in childish

and you really shouldn't bring that foolish post 381 to everyones attention again and again.....it does you no good at all....

 

[Timshel]

No, you're not reading this right. According to the article, the test scores showed that the black kids were underperformining as a whole....no one "singled them out" until AFTER the scores were tallied. It's simple logic based on the evidence.....that you had a common racial factor just happen to be the case here...on another level it could have been regional or gender. When test scores show girls doing better than boys at math, no one screams "reverse sexism"....they'd just address the problem.

In this case, the principal just made the wrong choice...not out of malice, mind you, as the final ruling indicated.

That's nonsene. They determined that the black kids were underperforming as a whole by singling them out based on race. They should not have used that metric in the first place. Why should they be judged on how well they are doing as a group?

 

[Sammy Jankis]

That's nonsene. They determined that the black kids were underperforming as a whole by singling them out based on race. They should not have used that metric in the first place. Why should they be judged on how well they are doing as a group?

These race based metrics are used as the very measure of social justice.

 

[DamnYankee]

Ad hom. I win!

/southernman

...

You did not understand that as a joke? Bravo's recent posts are nothing but ad hom. I am not joking about that.

You're still miffed that I PM'd you your own address.

 

[christiefan915]

Its actually sad to watch you 2 pathetic peckerheads continue argue when its so obvious to anyone reading these threads you are factually wrong....as proven in the link.

http://www.heritage.com/articles/2010/05/14/ann_arbor_journal/news/doc4bedb1cdbd614560051626.txt

So the state finally weighed in and said the group was illegal. I'll be waiting to see if they penalize the school, or if they'll sweep the whole business under the rug to avoid further embarrassment.

Just proves the old adage that no good deed goes unpunished.

 

[christiefan915]

So now you're saying "native American" is a race ?
Is that right?

I'm saying that the U.S. Census Bureau classifies it as a race.


Race is based on self-identification by the respondents
(the householder or someone who
may be reporting race in his or her absence) in
the Current Population Survey through a question
that asks for an individual race. There are
four groups including: White, Black, American
Indian and Alaska Native, and Asian and Pacific
Islander.

http://www.census.gov/population/pop-profile/2000/chap16.pdf

 

[christiefan915]

Discrimination seems to be OK unless it involves men, especially white men....
All hell breaks loose when we hear about an "all mens club that refuses to allow women in the door or to join...and its absolutely illegal to be WHITE ONLY...

Otherwise, Polish Clubs, Italian Clubs, etc. abound throughout the country...and I really don't know how they allow or disallow members...but I guarantee its not on race or even ethnics.

Maybe you can sell asshat on this theory but it's hogwash. White women are far more discriminated against than white men. Take economics: why are women still paid less than men for the same job?

That's because U.S. women still earned only 77 cents on the male dollar in 2008, according to the latest census statistics. (That number drops to 68% for African-American women and 58% for Latinas.) To highlight the need for change, since 1996 the National Committee on Pay Equity, an advocacy-group umbrella organization, has marked April 20 as Equal Pay Day. There are some signs of progress: the first bill Barack Obama signed into law as President targeted the U.S. pay gap, and the Senate is considering a bill that is meant to address underlying discrimination. But the question remains: Why has it taken so long? Nearly half a century after it became illegal to pay women less on the basis of their sex, why do American women still earn less than men?

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983185,00.html#ixzz0oONq9npA

 

[Timshel]

You're still miffed that I PM'd you your own address.

Nope. I have no desire to revisit that. It's done and forgotten.

You and I just disagree on many things.

 

[christiefan915]

Oops. Blacks, or anyone of african decent are NOT allowed to compete in the Miss Italia USA pageant.

And you know what? I've never, not one single time, heard a black person or a liberal complain that Miss Italia, or any other private ethnic or cultural club is "racist".

I only hear pathetic white boys, who's lives have been miserable failures, complain about the alleged horrific atrocities of black racism against whites. Why is that?


Let me make this extremely simple for you:

1) Discriminatory clubs or organizations are illegal in the context of any school, business, or transaction that accepts public tax dollars, or engages in interstate commerce.

2) Strictly Private clubs that are not part of a business or don't engage in interstate commerce economic transaction, and that celebrate an ethnic or cultural identity (e.g., italian, asian, african, etc) are completely legal.


So stop fucking whining like a girl that you are prevented from competing in the Miss Italia contest or the Miss Black USA pageant. You cross-dressing republican males don't have the legs, or the skin color for it.

Black americans, broadly, have a distinct and identifiable cultural background. They were segregated into a monolithic group on the basis of skin color and african background.

There is no equivalent "white experience" in america. Whites self-identify with their ethnic roots - italian, irish, etc. It doesn't make a bit of freaking sense to have "white clubs".

No one except skinheads and fringe republicans have ever identified a need for "white clubs". The only time "white groups" have formed, generally speaking, is when their explicit intent was racial superiority. KKK, White Citizens Council, Aryan Nation.


That said, as I told Asshat, you are perfectly within your legal rights to announce publicly at work that you want to form a private club for whites only. What's stopping you from doing that? You won't be arrested. Stop complaining about white oppression from the safety of your keyboard, and get out their in public and form your own white club. You won't be breaking any laws.

Woo-hoo! You are on a roll!

 

[christiefan915]

Test for TC and Cypress and Christiefan....

Pick out the phrases that might be mistaken for fostering racism..

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ann-ar...ls-actions-in-black-only-field-trip/index.php

Posted: May 6, 2010 at 6:02 AM [May 6, 2010]

The Ann Arbor school district is investigating the actions - and legality - surrounding a field trip organized exclusively for black students at Dicken Elementary School last week.
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http://www.heritage.com/articles/201...4560051626.txt

A well-intentioned program called the African American Lunch Bunch at Dicken Elementary School in Ann Arbor has been found to be in violation of both Michigan state law as well as the Ann Arbor school district's policies.

According to reports, when members of the Lunch Bunch group returned to the elementary school, they were booed by students who weren't allowed to go on the trip.
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For an explanation of the correct answers,
FYI-Read Post 222,225,231
AND don't forget the all important "chronology of the posts" .....
================================================
Note, a true coward is unable to admit he's wrong on any level.


Its totally unbelievable that these three pinheads keep coming back for more after being so thoroughly PWNED in post after post by a majority joining the thread.....
the arrogance, convoluted bullshit and misunderstanding of simple logic is astounding......hilarious and entertaining, but nevertheless, astounding....

My issue with your responses goes back further than the field trip. The problem is that you've consistently ignored the school's contention that the group itself was open to ALL STUDENTS. Why have you never addressed this fact?

Do you admit that if white kids had joined the group, they could have gone on the field trip, and if not, why not?

"It was just one of many efforts the district has made to motivate the group, called the Lunch Bunch, a peer-support group to help students struggling academically. The club was created to help improve African-American students' MEAP performance but is open to any student. But currently, only African-American students are members."

 

[christiefan915]

The club WAS NOT open to everyone according to other sources...

Leon Drolet, former chairman of the Michigan Civil Rights Initiative, says the trip "absolutely violated" Proposal 2, a 2006 voter-approved amendment to the state constitution banning racial preference.
Thats from your link....

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/93667554.html
Officials: Black-Only Field Trip Broke the Law
The school board president said in a statement the trip was "well-intentioned," but also violated the district's anti-discrimination policy.
Reporter: Associated Press

http://www.atlantapost.com/2010/05/black-only-field-trip-sent-wrong-message/
Freep.com) — If your child was banned from a public school field trip because he or she is the wrong color, you’d be rightfully outraged. Yet that’s exactly what happened last week in Ann Arbor when Dicken Elementary School Principal Mike Madison arranged a field trip available only to black students. The black students, who were already segregated by school employees into a club called the “African-American Lunch Bunch,” were taken on a field trip to hear a talk by an African-American rocket scientist. The club and trip are part of a well meaning, but badly misguided, attempt by Madison and other school officials to help black students who are lagging academically.

Do come back for more...from now on you'll be recognized for what you are.....your arrogant, narrow-minded bullheadedness is a thing to behold....

You haven't shown anything about the club, just the trip.

 

[Timshel]

I'm saying that the U.S. Census Bureau classifies it as a race.


Race is based on self-identification by the respondents
(the householder or someone who
may be reporting race in his or her absence) in
the Current Population Survey through a question
that asks for an individual race. There are
four groups including: White, Black, American
Indian and Alaska Native, and Asian and Pacific
Islander.

http://www.census.gov/population/pop-profile/2000/chap16.pdf

In most of the attempts I have seen to classify man into race, Native American is usually considered a race. But our attempts to divide things into groups are always flawed. In my opinion, race is pretty meaningless. Culture has far more influence, though classifying it is equally problematic.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

Maybe you can sell asshat on this theory but it's hogwash. White women are far more discriminated against than white men. Take economics: why are women still paid less than men for the same job?

That's because U.S. women still earned only 77 cents on the male dollar in 2008, according to the latest census statistics. (That number drops to 68% for African-American women and 58% for Latinas.) To highlight the need for change, since 1996 the National Committee on Pay Equity, an advocacy-group umbrella organization, has marked April 20 as Equal Pay Day. There are some signs of progress: the first bill Barack Obama signed into law as President targeted the U.S. pay gap, and the Senate is considering a bill that is meant to address underlying discrimination. But the question remains: Why has it taken so long? Nearly half a century after it became illegal to pay women less on the basis of their sex, why do American women still earn less than men?

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1983185,00.html#ixzz0oONq9npA

The pay gap is because men are willing to bargain and have more riding on their income. Men have responsibilities, women have choices. Nobody really believes in feminism.

 

[Timshel]

Maybe you can sell asshat on this theory but it's hogwash. White women are far more discriminated against than white men. Take economics: why are women still paid less than men for the same job?

That is not just due to discrimination, though some of it likely is. It has more to do with our cultures gender roles and women often accept those roles. Some of this was covered recently in a discussion about the division of household work, which has a huge impact on women's salaries outside the home.