real racism

[Taichiliberal]

I think the policy was racist. But the black kids are the victims. I don't see why they would teach black students as a group anyway. Why should they be singled out for specialized teaching based on the color of their skin rather than their individual performance?

As for the field trip, it was just a terrible idea. Black kids are not the only ones who can benefit from black role models.

Taichi, many if not most elementary school kids would feel cheated out of a chance to meet a rocket scientist. I see no reason to assume most just wanted a break from classes.

Here's the deal String: Evaluations of educational standards are a collection of stats... gender, race, economic, etc. In this instance in Ann Arbor, the stats showed black kids under performing. They weren't being singled out or specialized solely on race, their test scores did that.

Now, as I've said time and again on this thread, the "lunch brunch" should not have been the immediate response...why not just set up after school tutorial programs? But since the principal went the particular route, I'm still stumped as to why the PTA, etc. didn't raise hell UNTIL this field trip? Did it take them this long to realize this was a violation of State law?

And yes, we should strive for a society were a role model's ethnicity or race shouldn't be a factor on any level...but we haven't got there yet....hell, there are people STILL fighting the Civil War, so it's going to take another generation.

As for the kids, like I said before they saw one group of kids getting a day off...the reason wasn't paramount to them, just the parents.

I noted that the decision to can the "lunch bunch" acknowledged that it was "well intentioned" but broke the law. That sounds fair to me.

 

[Timshel]

I would LOVE to see you say that in the hearing of an LA Chinese gang member. The police would be picking you up with a sponge.

Whatever. Because somebody might kill me that proves that Eastern cultures don't share similarities? I fully understand they don't all get along. So what? Not all Western cultures get along. The Native American cultures did not all get along. Like I said, we are very good at finding ways of dividing ourselves.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Test for TC and Cypress and Christiefan....

Pick out the phrases that might be mistaken for fostering racism..

http://www.annarbor.com/news/ann-ar...ls-actions-in-black-only-field-trip/index.php

Posted: May 6, 2010 at 6:02 AM [May 6, 2010]

The Ann Arbor school district is investigating the actions - and legality - surrounding a field trip organized exclusively for black students at Dicken Elementary School last week.
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http://www.heritage.com/articles/201...4560051626.txt

A well-intentioned program called the African American Lunch Bunch at Dicken Elementary School in Ann Arbor has been found to be in violation of both Michigan state law as well as the Ann Arbor school district's policies.

According to reports, when members of the Lunch Bunch group returned to the elementary school, they were booed by students who weren't allowed to go on the trip.
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Note, a true coward is unable to admit he's wrong on any level.


Its totally unbelievable that these three pinheads keep coming back for more after being so thoroughly PWNED in post after post by a majority joining the thread.....
the arrogance, convoluted bullshit and misunderstanding of simple logic is astounding......hilarious and entertaining, but nevertheless, astounding....

Post 268 and 361

And like I said, our intellectually impotent Bravo will rant and wail away....Bravo needs to grow up.

 

[Timshel]

Here's the deal String: Evaluations of educational standards are a collection of stats... gender, race, economic, etc. In this instance in Ann Arbor, the stats showed black kids under performing. They weren't being singled out or specialized solely on race, their test scores did that.

Their test scores failed as a group when the group was defined by race. They were singled out by race. Singling them out by test scores would include all and only those that are failing, regardless of race.

 

[Good Luck]

Whatever. Because somebody might kill me that proves that Eastern cultures don't share similarities? I fully understand they don't all get along. So what? Not all Western cultures get along. The Native American cultures did not all get along. Like I said, we are very good at finding ways of dividing ourselves.

The more you say, the more you parade your sheer ignorance.

Similarities. There are similarities between 17th century classical music and modern pop. Doesn't mean you can lump them together and treat them as a single entitly.

Similarities do not in any way mean you can lump cultures together. Yet that is what you do - and according to RACIAL similarities at that. ALL Blacks (well, most of them the rest don't count) belong to ONE culture, according to you. LIE - or racist ignorance? Take your pick, because it sure bears no resemblance to reality.

Asian cultures are leaves on the same cultural branch. LIE - or racist ignorance? Take your pick.

Asians all have similar features. Yea, and all sorrels look alike too. Koreans are distinct, as are Chinese, as are Japanese. The only "similarities" are they all have the Mongolian epicanthic fold in one form or another, though there are differences between the epicanthic folds also. And that's just LOOKS. Cultures - the Japanese culture is VASTLY different than the Chinese culture - or should I say any of the multiple Chinese cultures, which differs from Mongolian culture, which is in turn vastly different from Korean culture, which is in turn different from Vietnamese. Only an ignorant racist bigot can look at all Asian cultures and seeing "similar" faces, lump them all together.

Bottom line: there are MANY different and distinct Black American sub-cultures in the U.S. There are MANY Asian sub-cultures, and many sub cultures among whites and Hispanics also. ALL you see is skin color and economic principles. Markets. Not only are you racist, you are a STUPID racist.

 

[Good Luck]

Their test scores failed as a group when the group was defined by race. They were singled out by race. Singling them out by test scores would include all and only those that are failing, regardless of race.

Well, back on topic, it seems we agree. There is no way in hell that test scores resulted in a strictly Black population determined to be at risk. Anyone who believes that the racial division was borne out by test scores, and not ONE non-black had at-risk test results is either a fucking liar, or completely brain dead. Specialty programs should be according to need of all, not aimed at the needy of a chosen skin color.

 

[Timshel]

The more you say, the more you parade your sheer ignorance.

Similarities. There are similarities between 17th century classical music and modern pop. Doesn't mean you can lump them together and treat them as a single entitly....

What's classical music or modern pop? That is, you seem to be arguing that all categorization is invalid. Yes, the lines are fuzzy. So? That means we pretend there is no difference?

I am not basing any grouping of Eastern culture based on their looks. That's trivial. It is more based on their religions, their isolation from the West while the Eastern cultures had some intermingling.

No one is arguing they should all be lumped together into a single entity. But there is a certain shared heritage that dominates the black populace of America far more than any white shared heritage.

What black American sub cultures are you talking about? Dirty south??? LOL.

An example, Obama is half white and his dad is Kenyan. He still identified with black American culture.

We shove that identity on them and they celebrate it. Racist bastards!

 

[Timshel]

You talk about the differences between Chinese, Japanese and Koreans. There are different cultures among just the Chinese. Why is that when you lump them all together it is okay?

I am not saying this broader classification makes them all the same. They could come from the same family and that won't be true. I made a point of it being broader and more general, which indicates greater variation than saying they were one distinct culture.

 

[Timshel]

Well, back on topic, it seems we agree. There is no way in hell that test scores resulted in a strictly Black population determined to be at risk. Anyone who believes that the racial division was borne out by test scores, and not ONE non-black had at-risk test results is either a fucking liar, or completely brain dead. Specialty programs should be according to need of all, not aimed at the needy of a chosen skin color.

I am not sure we do since it would seem you would object to a private response to this problem. That is, I would have no problem if the black communities and their cultural institutions targeted their own student community. Why should I? You seem to want to pretend those things don't exist or if they do any action to serve that community is racist.

 

[Cypress]

Gee, sorry I actually took a break from arguing with ignorant racist shitheels to do something else.

The claim that there is a collective historical and cultural experience for Black Americans iss pure unadulterated racism in itself. You prove yourself to be a full blown racist with every statement like that you make.

Do you REALLY think the culture of inner-city Blacks in Detroit even REMOTELY resembles the Black culture of the rural South? You are COMPELTELY fucked in the head. Are you aware that Blacks have continued to immigrate to the U.S. for the last 100+ years from all over the world, people whose descendants do NOT share the background you extoll as the "broader" historical and cultural Black experience. Australian Aborigines don;t share anything with African Blacks. They have their own sub-culture, just like rural southern Blacks have a sub-culture, innercity Blacks have a sub culture - which differs between regions, though not greatly, but enough so an LA Black has different customs than an NY Black who differs from a Savannah Black.

Your expository of sheer ignorance of American Blacks and American Black sub-cultures, but try to justify grouping all American Blacks into a culture so you can treast them all the same just proves you to be the racist you deny. Do you think, like RSTringfield, that all Asians look alike?

In short, you are as racist as the Bubbbas that would put Blacks back in chains. The difference is the Bubbas are at least ashamed enough they have started keeping their opinions between carefully selected like-minded assholes. You, on the other hand, parade your racism with the pride of an 1820s slave owner.

Awesome. Some message board poster from lily white, 99% white Montana pontificating on cultural and ethnic diversity.

I don't speak for blacks or asian americans. But, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand america's cultural diversity.

I didn't lecture asian-americans or african-americans to form their own organizations. They did that themselves. Obviously, they saw a need for them. Maybe someone from lily white Montana can't understand it. But, I'm pretty sure I do.

The asian and black communities in american can justifiably claim to have a broader collective experience, historically and culturally. That doesn't mean their a monolithic group. No one ever fucking said that.

While I can't speak for asians, I am sentient and educated enough to be aware that Asians of all stripes - chinese, japanese, koreans - were caricatured, segregated, and treated as second-class citizens at best, or exotic non-americans at worst. Since they largely come from an Eastern, non-judeochristian background, they weren't exactly treated with totally equality through much of their history in america. They were largely treated as coolie labor, or exotic wanna-be americans for most of the last 150 years.

Hollywood's caricature of "asians":

Asian-americans themselves decided to form their own national organizatons, to more broadly represent asian-american history and broader identity. They did that themselves, I didn't tell them to do it.


You think they form these organizations out of sheer, appalling racial bigotry. I guess against whites? That's fine, that's your view.

Me, I think they form these organizations out of a justifiable view that the asian-american community is, in a broader sense, a distinct group that merits some level of community recognition.

 

[NOVA]

Post 268 and 361

And like I said, our intellectually impotent Bravo will rant and wail away....Bravo needs to grow up.

Well pinhead....I see you've changed your tune to reflect a little reason in post 341...kudos...You slink around the edges a little,(rationalize) but in essence..you now agree with what I've been saying from the start, it was racist.

I don't yet understand why you keep on with "So the "Lunch Brunch" was created and functioned for a period of time UNCONTESTED"

who the hell cares if it was uncontested...it was ILLEGAL from the start...the fact it was overlooked is irrelevant to this debate and changes absolutely nothing...

ps....there is no post 361 as yet

 

[NOVA]

Well, back on topic, it seems we agree. There is no way in hell that test scores resulted in a strictly Black population determined to be at risk. Anyone who believes that the racial division was borne out by test scores, and not ONE non-black had at-risk test results is either a fucking liar, or completely brain dead. Specialty programs should be according to need of all, not aimed at the needy of a chosen skin color.

ha..that would be TCpeckerhead.....he believes it....but I let it go,.....if he needs to "rationalize' why this club was all black only, so be it....he has a hard time admitting to being wrong on any level....

but I did question that explanation as you have.....just as the crap about "joining" the club...I seriously doubt you voluntarily joined, you were there because of being 'at risk' , I let that bit of rationalization slid too....

 

[Topspin]

lolz at the klansman saying AA kids can't have a club. Glad they didn't need your apporval first grand wizard.

 

[Timshel]

Hollywood's caricature of "asians":

But they don't need their own tv channel. Their culture(s) have been represented in plenty of movies, like those starring Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan. They like to kick stuff, do laundry, and they can't drive. That's all we need to know about them.

 

[Canceled2]

Yeah, you are bitching about the ethnic food aisle.

There is no explicitly "WHITE" product partly because there really is no specific "WHITE" culture. There are products that are primarily white and are targeted to specific white demographics. For instance, country music is primarily aimed at stupid white people. To the degree a "WHITE" culture exists the market already serves it quite well.

The example of beauty pageants and television content show this. The markets are already dominated by white preferences.

STFU, you whiny bitches!

Again you fucking knee-jerk idgit~~~It's not about fucking culture!!! It's about the fact that idiot fucking PC numb nut American assholes like you can't wrap your pin-heads around the fact that to use the word "white" as any part of the title for a club; group; or franchise would be to make that said club, group or franchise automatically "racist" and yet the word Black etc can be used for any club, group or franchise and it is acceptable...and that is just plain fucking double standard reverse racism.

 

[NOVA]

ADVICE WORTH REPEATING

Might as well save your fingers Folks........talking rationally to ignorant, brain impaired, racist pinheads like RS, TC, Cypress, etc. is just a waste of time....

they're amusing, to a degree, for a limited period of time, but the entertainment wears off pretty fast....

Racists that don't realize they are racists ?...wow...the degree of rationalization and the depth they can force their heads up their asses is not to be underestimated

 

[Canceled2]

Might as well save your fingers ID.....talking rationally to ignorant, brain impaired, racist pinheads like RS, TC, Cypress, etc. is just a waste of time....

they're amusing, to a degree, for a limited period of time, but the entertainment wears off pretty fast....

I could have addressed the "no such thing as white culture", but the point that was being purposefully ignored was the one of reverse racism and the double standard it highlights.

 

[Timshel]

Again you fucking knee-jerk idgit~~~It's not about fucking culture!!! It's about the fact that idiot fucking PC numb nut American assholes like you can't wrap your pin-heads around the fact that to use the word "white" as any part of the title for a club; group; or franchise would be to make that said club, group or franchise automatically "racist" and yet the word Black etc can be used for any club, group or franchise and it is acceptable...and that is just plain fucking double standard reverse racism.

It would certainly be my assumption that it was racist. What other purpose would it serve. There are plenty of beauty pageants and tv shows dominated by whites. The market is well served. There is no fucking need for a WET, except to exclude others.

That's not true with blacks, whose tastes, influenced by their culture, would be completely ignored in a market that barred anything but that which pleased the majority.

If you wanted to make a white basketball league or an all white rap label, maybe that would make some sense. Go for it! Start WET, I won't stop you. But I am not going to watch and I will assume its fans are racist.

 

[Canceled2]

It would certainly be my assumption that it was racist. What other purpose would it serve. There are plenty of beauty pageants and tv shows dominated by whites. The market is well served. There is no fucking need for a WET, except to exclude others.

That's not true with blacks, whose tastes, influenced by their culture, would be completely ignored in a market that barred anything but that which pleased the majority.

If you wanted to make a white basketball league or an all white rap label, maybe that would make some sense. Go for it! Start WET, I won't stop you. But I am not going to watch and I will assume its fans are racist.

And I assume, correctly, that you are a numb-nut pc asshole who cannot see how utterly vacuous your statements are. Using the term Black "fill-in-the-blank"...is TOTALLY counter productive to equality and presents a double standard that further divides American's. That you attempt to make it about cultural dominance as if that's reasonable cause is likewise divisive. White American's do have a culture that is all their own and IF black American's can specify their culture and it is not being racist then the same standard should apply to a white American cultural specificity. We have our own music, food, literature and ancestry.

Again this about real racism and I submit that people who think like you are, to a certain degree, responsible for its perpetuation.

 

[Sammy Jankis]

I'd say there is a white culture, characterized by technological advanceness, and khaki shorts.