real racism

Neither is yours. BLACK beauty pageants are not based on CULTURE, but rather RACE. THAT makes them every bit as wrong as if the original Miss America still excluded non-whites. Unfortunately, most African-American events are, in actuality, black events as opposed to events of the African culture. Did you know a white African (yes, they do exist) was denied entry in the African-American Miss America? That makes it racist, not cultural. That is wrong no matter how you want to wrap it in pretty ribbons.

So you are against the Italian, Irish, Hispanic or Asian pageants? We have been over this.
 
Who the fuck is talking about government programs that target race? I am talking about free market products that appeal to demographics largely determined by race or ethnicity. You can pretend all you want that there is no need for a NAACP or BET because blacks are fairly represented in the market, but that is bullshit. There is no need for a NAAWP or WET because white culture is not at all distinct from the mass culture that is determined primarily by white preferences.

And no braille has nothing to do with race, which is why I said you would attack it as discriminatory. It does discriminate in that it is intended to help one specific minority group.

But the whiners logic is like saying, why not just let the blind use the regular alphabet, like the rest of us? Or whining, where is the sighted persons braille?

We do have an alphabet that already serves the needs of those with sight. Just like we have WET (all major networks), the NAAWP (Congress) or beauty pageants that show a bias for white people.
You are truly about as fucking stupid as they come. Flat assed completely braid dead.

Blindness is a DISABILITY you fracking numbskull. Are you saying being BLACK is a DISABILITY? If so, WHO IS THE FUCKING RACIST you bigotted piece of bovine excrement? Are you telling me I need fucking HELP because I am a person of color? FUCK YOU! YOU are the damned racist shit for brains fuck in this debate, asshole. Take your "You need extra help/organizations/your OWN beauty pageant because of your race" CRAP and STUFF IT UP YOUR GODDAMNED FUCKING RACIST ASS.
 
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
And that was the whole purpose of this, wasn't it?
To take the focus off a racial biased group in school and try to have the discussion end up about something else!! :good4u:

If the School and the group were OK, then why is it now discontinued??

Like I said: Spin much?

I did not raise the issue about beauty pageants. I was only commenting on the subject.
 
So you are against the Italian, Irish, Hispanic or Asian pageants? We have been over this.
Italian - nothing wrong with that as Italian is a specific culture.
Irish - nothing wrong with that as Italian is a specific culture.
Hispanic - Yes, that is wrong. It is race, not culture. Hispanics cover a wide range of cultures, from Spain to Mexico etc. Which culture do you mean? ALL of those which are associated witha certain RACE you say? THAT is racism.

Asian - Ditto Hispanic. Nothing wrong with, say, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. as those are separate cultures. Lumping them all into one batch because of race - THAT is racism.

And how about one close to my heritage: Native American? Wrong again. We have different cultures. There are the Dakota. The Blackfeet. The Flathead. There are the Apache and the Hopi and a whole host of others, each with unique cultures. You fucking racist white assholes always are lumping us into one generic "Native American" group. May as well keep calling us "Indians" - it's shorter and just as accurate.
 
Neither is yours. BLACK beauty pageants are not based on CULTURE, but rather RACE. THAT makes them every bit as wrong as if the original Miss America still excluded non-whites. Unfortunately, most African-American events are, in actuality, black events as opposed to events of the African culture. Did you know a white African (yes, they do exist) was denied entry in the African-American Miss America? That makes it racist, not cultural. That is wrong no matter how you want to wrap it in pretty ribbons.

Here's the problem, my passionate cyber-klansman.

Discrimination laws are not ust about race. You can screech all you want about race, but discrimination laws pertain to skin color, ethnicity and disability.

So, if I was to take your supposedly passionate argument against discrimination seriously, I would expect to see you ranting against Italian-American-only private organizations, and I would expect to see you squealing like a stuck pick that the Miss Asia USA pageant specifically excludes anyone of caucasian or black decent. But you're not ranting about them...

Why is that? Why are you not blathering about these discriminatory atrocities?

I think the answer is obvious.


Here's a tip: It's painfully obvious that klansmen on the thread were completely unaware of how anti-discrimination laws work. So, go ahead. Form your own white club. Talk to you neighbors about it. Put ads in the local newspaper. No worries. You won't be breaking a law. As long as it's a strictly private organization, not at all tied to any sort of interstate commerce or tax dollars.

Go ahead. Do it.


Now, here's another tip for the painfully under educated: Black americans share a distinct and shared history, culture, and ethnic roots. In a way white americans don't. The ancestors of blacks were segragated by skin color and forced to live on the southern plantation 400 years ago, and suceeding generations of blacks universally faced the same history for hundreds of years. Their black american experience and african roots resulted in a broader distinct american subculture. It's not just about skin color: it's about history, shared experience, shared ethnicity, and shared roots. One could say that jewish americans or italian ameiricans existed as similar subcultures in the US - although clearly not subjected to the same level of discrmination as blacks.

But there ain't no equivalent white experience in america. I don't know what you klansmen think about "white History". But there is no american "white history", except on the StormFront website. There is no equivalent "white history" or "white culture" in the United States. No one, except Aryan Nation has ever seen a need for a "white clubs". Can you tell me exactly what the need for "white clubs" is? I'm not understanding this desire you have for white clubs.

Anyway, like I said, feel free to form your own private white club. No one is stopping you. There are still private, whites-only clubs throughout the southern United States, and elsewhere. You can have one too.

Don't forget to bring the white hoods!
 
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You are truly about as fucking stupid as they come. Flat assed completely braid dead.

Blindness is a DISABILITY you fracking numbskull. Are you saying being BLACK is a DISABILITY? If so, WHO IS THE FUCKING RACIST you bigotted piece of bovine excrement? Are you telling me I need fucking HELP because I am a person of color? FUCK YOU! YOU are the damned racist shit for brains fuck in this debate, asshole. Take your "You need extra help/organizations/your OWN beauty pageant because of your race" CRAP and STUFF IT UP YOUR GODDAMNED FUCKING RACIST ASS.

FUCK YOU, you fucking retard. Absurd straw man.

The point is that braille is an answer to a specific demographics previously unserved market demand for a service or product. Likewise BET, ethnic beauty pageants or the ethnic food aisle is an answer to under served demographics. To call BET racist is like calling braille discrimination against the sighted and equating it to discrimination against the blind. It's not the same, just as WET would not be the same as BET. White people and the sighted are already served by the market and they dominate the culture.

I am not comparing them on ability dumbfuck, but the fact that they are a small niche market/minority that is largely ignored by the mass market. Market responses to their needs as customers is not discrimination. It does not compare to attempts to exclude them from the market.
 
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Here's the problem, my passionate cyber-klansman.

Discrimination laws are not ust about race. You can screech all you want about race, but discrimination laws pertain to skin color, ethnicity and disability.

So, if I was to take your supposedly passionate argument against discrimination seriously, I would expect to see you ranting against Italian-American-only private organizations, and I would expect to see you squealing like a stuck pick that the Miss Asia USA pageant specifically excludes anyone of caucasian or black decent. But you're not ranting about them...

Why is that? Why are you not blathering about these discriminatory atrocities?

I think the answer is obvious.


Here's a tip: It's painfully obvious that klansmen on the thread were completely unaware of how anti-discrimination laws work. So, go ahead. Form your own white club. Talk to you neighbors about it. Put ads in the local newspaper. No worries. You won't be breaking a law. As long as it's a strictly private organization, not at all tied to any sort of interstate commerce or tax dollars.

Go ahead. Do it.


Now, here's another tip for the painfully under educated: Black americans share a distinct and shared history, culture, and ethnic roots. In a way white americans don't. The ancestors of blacks were segragated by skin color and forced to live on the southern plantation 400 years ago, and suceeding generations of blacks universally faced the same history for hundreds of years. Their black american experience and african roots resulted in a broader distinct american subculture. It's not just about skin color: it's about history, shared experience, shared ethnicity, and shared roots. One could say that jewish americans or italian ameiricans existed as similar subcultures in the US - although clearly not subjected to the same level of discrmination as blacks.

But there ain't no equivalent white experience in america. I don't know what you klansmen think about "white History". But there is no american "white history", except on the StormFront website. There is no equivalent "white history" or "white culture" in the United States. No one, except Aryan Nation has ever seen a need for a "white clubs". Can you tell me exactly what the need for "white clubs" is? I'm not understanding this desire you have for white clubs.

Anyway, like I said, feel free to form your own private white club. No one is stopping you. There are still private, whites-only clubs throughout the southern United States, and elsewhere. You can have one too.

Don't forget to bring the white hoods!
And one more brain dead, useless, liberal, racist "because its good for the poor (name your favorite 'minority' here" piece of shit.

There is a marked difference between culture (Italian, Irish, Polish, whatever) and race (Black, Hispanic, Asian, White, etc.) Anyone who does not automatically understand that basic reality is simply too fucking stupid to bother debating with.
 
And one more brain dead, useless, liberal, racist "because its good for the poor (name your favorite 'minority' here" piece of shit.

There is a marked difference between culture (Italian, Irish, Polish, whatever) and race (Black, Hispanic, Asian, White, etc.) Anyone who does not automatically understand that basic reality is simply too fucking stupid to bother debating with.


Since United State anti-discrimination laws apply not only to race, but ALSO to ethnicity, gender, and disability, you have yet to explain why you are not outraged at organizations that are based on ethnicity. Your faux outrage is very selectively targeted at a group of african-americans with dark skin.

I await your answer.
 
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Here's the problem, my passionate cyber-klansman.

Discrimination laws are not ust about race. You can screech all you want about race, but discrimination laws pertain to skin color, ethnicity and disability.

So, if I was to take your supposedly passionate argument against discrimination seriously, I would expect to see you ranting against Italian-American-only private organizations, and I would expect to see you squealing like a stuck pick that the Miss Asia USA pageant specifically excludes anyone of caucasian or black decent. But you're not ranting about them...

Why is that? Why are you not blathering about these discriminatory atrocities?

I think the answer is obvious.


Here's a tip: It's painfully obvious that klansmen on the thread were completely unaware of how anti-discrimination laws work. So, go ahead. Form your own white club. Talk to you neighbors about it. Put ads in the local newspaper. No worries. You won't be breaking a law. As long as it's a strictly private organization, not at all tied to any sort of interstate commerce or tax dollars.

Go ahead. Do it.


Now, here's another tip for the painfully under educated: Black americans share a distinct and shared history, culture, and ethnic roots. In a way white americans don't. The ancestors of blacks were segragated by skin color and forced to live on the southern plantation 400 years ago, and suceeding generations of blacks universally faced the same history for hundreds of years. Their black american experience and african roots resulted in a broader distinct american subculture. It's not just about skin color: it's about history, shared experience, shared ethnicity, and shared roots. One could say that jewish americans or italian ameiricans existed as similar subcultures in the US - although clearly not subjected to the same level of discrmination as blacks.

But there ain't no equivalent white experience in america. I don't know what you klansmen think about "white History". But there is no american "white history", except on the StormFront website. There is no equivalent "white history" or "white culture" in the United States. No one, except Aryan Nation has ever seen a need for a "white clubs". Can you tell me exactly what the need for "white clubs" is? I'm not understanding this desire you have for white clubs.

Anyway, like I said, feel free to form your own private white club. No one is stopping you. There are still private, whites-only clubs throughout the southern United States, and elsewhere. You can have one too.

Don't forget to bring the white hoods!

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Now my bigoted, racist, friend....

If you see any of these BLACK ITALIANS in your local Italian Club ask them wtf they're doing in this white racist club....
You see, pinhead, Italians come in a variety of races....from a country known as FUCKIN ITALY, you boob.

You're to fuckin stupid to grasp the difference between race and ethnics .... as I pointed out, my friends and I can't help stupid, thats gonna have to be something you will hopefully grow out of...

Asia is a continent, as is Europe. Asian is not a race and European is not a race.....even African is not a race....now pull your head out of your ass and open you eyes....THINK.
 
FUCK YOU, you fucking retard. Absurd straw man.

The point is that braille is an answer to a specific demographics previously unserved market demand for a service or product. Likewise BET, ethnic beauty pageants or the ethnic food aisle is an answer to under served demographics. To call BET racist is like calling braille discrimination against the sighted and equating it to discrimination against the blind. It's not the same, just as WET would not be the same as BET. White people and the sighted are already served by the market and they dominate the culture.

I am not comparing them on ability dumbfuck, but the fact that they are a small niche market/minority that is largely ignored by the mass market. Market responses to their needs as customers is not discrimination. It does not compare to market attempts to exclude them.
Yea, right. A skunjk by any other name still stinks. The blind need a special alphabet based on the senses they have available to them. They are missing sight, so 2-dimensional printed material is useless to their senses.

Now: WHAT ARTE WE MINORITIES LACKING that you need a "special market" for us? Explain in great detain you racist piece of shit, how we minorities differ so that special markets must cater to us according to our RACE?

Already been down the CULTURE road. Nothing wrong with cultural based "markets" as you put it. (as if every aspect of society is economically derived) If you still don't get the difference between culture and race, I can only assume your extreme racism is getting in the way of your ability to learn anything about the reality of race relations.
 
Now, here's another tip for the painfully under educated: Black americans share a distinct and shared history, culture, and ethnic roots. In a way white americans don't. The ancestors of blacks were segragated by skin color and forced to live on the southern plantation 400 years ago, and suceeding generations of blacks universally faced the same history for hundreds of years. Their black american experience and african roots resulted in a broader distinct american subculture. It's not just about skin color: it's about history, shared experience, shared ethnicity, and shared roots. One could say that jewish americans or italian ameiricans existed as similar subcultures in the US - although clearly not subjected to the same level of discrmination as blacks.

Exactly. Black Americans have their own distinct culture. Just as there are white cultureS. There is no WHITE culture because we are very good at finding ways to divide ourselves and did not stop at skin color. :)

But in a way that's a good thing because it creates some diversity. If there is one WHITE American culture, then it is represented by pop or mainstream culture... yuck. I think I would prefer racism. lol
 
Since United State anti-discrimination laws apply not only to race, but ALSO to ethnicity, gender, and disability, you have yet to explain why you are not outraged at organizations that are based on ethnicity. Your faux outrage is very selectively targeted at a group of african-americans with dark skin.

I await your answer.
Right. Go back and read all my answers.

Racism in any form is unacceptable. Until assholes like you disappear from this planet, racism will continue to be a problem because it is far more difficiult for the prejudiced racist to maintain their stance in the face of the reality that racial differences do not mean squat - their kind have been steadily diminishing for generations. Give us a few more generations, and the few prejudiced racists left will be a pitied anachronism. Your kind, hopelessly convinced that your RACISM is "good" for society by "helping" us poor, disadvantaged races - much harder to get rid of because you are racist for our own good, ya know.

Acceptance of other CULTURES is essential to any mature society, so discriminating against them is bad. Every culture has something unique that is often worth taking a sample of. If people want to celebrate their CULTURE, great. I will celebrate with them. But culture is NOT determined by race. Certain races are associated with certain cultures, yes. But cultures are far more specific than race is. Asians cover a large number of cultures. So do Hispanics and Native Americans. In addition, most of today's cultures involve people from many races - except those sub-cultures formed in direct response to racist environments. Hopefully, when well-meaning racist assholes disappear, so will race-based sub-cultures.

If people want to celebrate their skin color? No, that is racism. Nothing good has ever come out of racism. It is focused on an immaterial difference.

ANTI-discrimination laws are good as long as they are truly anti-discrimination laws. (ie: anyone in legal or economic authority cannot treat people differently by ANY measure other than those aspects which differ one individual person from another. (ability, training, education, etc.) Using fake anti-discrimination laws (treat these people different because their race) is to continue racist practices - that is never good.

AS for my targeting against a specific race - you're making up lies about me now to try and detract from trying to defend a bullshit racist position. So go fuck yourself asshole. YOU are the real racist.
 
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Yea, right. A skunjk by any other name still stinks. The blind need a special alphabet based on the senses they have available to them. They are missing sight, so 2-dimensional printed material is useless to their senses.

Yeah. And black children need to see some black people on tv that are not being put behind bars. Little black girls need to know they are beautiful too. Mainstream culture has failed in both cases. These niche products have developed to fill the void.

Now: WHAT ARTE WE MINORITIES LACKING that you need a "special market" for us? Explain in great detain you racist piece of shit, how we minorities differ so that special markets must cater to us according to our RACE?

Already been down the CULTURE road. Nothing wrong with cultural based "markets" as you put it. (as if every aspect of society is economically derived) If you still don't get the difference between culture and race, I can only assume your extreme racism is getting in the way of your ability to learn anything about the reality of race relations.

Black Americans are a distinct cultural group. Race is pretty difficult to define but I will accept a definition that views them as a distinct race, but that does not mean they are still not also a distinct culture.
 
Right. Go back and read all my answers.

Racism in any form is unacceptable. Until assholes like you disappear from this planet, racism will continue to be a problem because it is far more difficiult for the prejudiced racist to maintain their stance in the face of the reality that racial differences do not mean squat. Your kind, hopelessly convinced that your RACISM is "good" for society by "helping" us poor, disadvantaged races - much harder to get rid of because you are racist for our own good, ya know.

Acceptance of other CULTURES is essential to any mature society, so discriminating against them is bad. Every culture has something unique that is often worth taking a sample of. If people want to celebrate their CULTURE, great. I will celebrate with them. But culture is NOT determined by race. Certain races are associated with certain cultures, yes. But cultures are far more specific than race is. Asians cover a large number of cultures. So do Hispanics and Native Americans. In addition, most of today's cultures involve people from many races.

If people want to celebrate their skin color? No, that is racism. Nothing good has ever come out of racism. It is focused on an immaterial difference.

ANTI-discrimination laws are good as long as they are truly anti-discrimination laws. (ie: anyone in legal or economic authority cannot treat people differently by ANY measure other than those aspects which differ one individual person from another. (ability, training, education, etc.) Using fake anti-discrimination laws (treat these people different because their race) is to continue racist practices - that is never good.

AS for my targeting against a specific race - you're making up lies about me now to try and detract from trying to defend a bullshit racist position. So go fuck yourself asshole. YOU are the real racist.


"Until assholes like you disappear from this planet,

I LOL'd at this....thanks!

I get it. Your faux outrage, is about race, and in particular the black skin tone.

That's what we call racial resentment.

But, in fact, we haven't heard a peep from you about the ethnic, relgious, or cultural discriminatory atrocities of various other clubs. This whole thread was predicated on what is legal, and what isn't legal. Ethnic discrimination is illegal, but you are apparently are totally fine with it. Otherwise, we would have noted your outrage at a whole range of ethnic, and cultural organizations.

Your concern trolling about the horrific and appalling racist black organizations, such as the Miss Black USA beauty pagaent is duly noted. Laughable. But, duly noted.

I don't think normal people think of the Miss Black USA contest as a nefarious, and highly racist organization. But, most people don't read the StormFront website either.

I think you may have missed my post, and I have to assume that you are vastly uninformed and under educated: because Black school clubs, or any black organization in the public domain is open to anyone to join.


And you and Asshatzombie can still form that private white club if you want. The government won't arrest you.
 
Exactly. Black Americans have their own distinct culture. Just as there are white cultureS. There is no WHITE culture because we are very good at finding ways to divide ourselves and did not stop at skin color. :)

But in a way that's a good thing because it creates some diversity. If there is one WHITE American culture, then it is represented by pop or mainstream culture... yuck. I think I would prefer racism. lol

Now there it is in plain English....what could be more indicative of being racist that to say that....
I'll wager you have no problem recognizing an Asian culture right?

Theres nothing worse than a racist that has no clue hes a racist....

Maybe its just you, peckerhead, that has no culture....it would dovetail nicely with your having no brains also....
 
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Already been down the CULTURE road. Nothing wrong with cultural based "markets" as you put it.

If you mean your retarded white African comment, then... no you have not. The African-American culture is not based around a shared ancestral link to Africa. It basically means black American. If I am thinking of what represents African American beauty I am not thinking about a white person whose grandpa was a colonist anymore than I am imagining a blond haired and blue eyed girl as Miss Italian America.
 
I LOL'd at this....thanks!

I get it. Your faux outrage, is about race, and in particular the black skin tone.

That's what we call racial resentment.

But, in fact, we haven't heard a peep from you about the ethnic, relgious, or cultural discriminatory atrocities of various other clubs. This whole thread was predicated on what is legal, and what isn't legal. Ethnic discrimination is illegal, but you are apparently are totally fine with it. Otherwise, we would have noted your outrage at a whole range of ethnic, and cultural organizations.

Your concern trolling about the horrific and appalling racist black organizations, such as the Miss Black USA beauty pagaent is duly noted. Laughable. But, duly noted.

I don't think normal people think of the Miss Black USA contest as a nefarious, and highly racist organization. But, most people don't read the StormFront website either.

What you think is irrelevant....the very name defines it as racist,...as would "the White Miss America" contest....

I think you may have missed my post, and I have to assume that you are vastly uninformed and under educated: because Black school clubs, or any black organization in the public domain is open to anyone to join.

A "black organization" is by definition racist, period...
You've already been schooled on this several times, give it a rest...the club broke law and broke the schools own guidelines..it was shitcanned..it was for blacks only, blacks only were invited to the field trip...you can have your own opinion, you can't manufacture your own facts....

And you and Asshatzombie can still form that private white club if you want. The government won't arrest you.

We aren't discussing private clubs...we are discussing what is open to the public...as in PUBLIC school...
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Now there it is in plain English....what could be more indicative of being racist that to say that....
I'll wager you have no problem recognizing an Asian culture right?

Theres nothing worse than a racist that has no clue hes a racist....

Maybe its just you, peckerhead, that has no culture....it would dovetail nicely with your having no brains also....


No there is no "white identity" in america, expect at Aryan Nation meetings. The "white experience" in america ranges from the experiences of jews, to italians, to irish, to catholics, to poles, to scandinavians. A diffuse and divergent potpourri of experiences. There's nothing even approaching a collective, historical experience among white americans.

Anyone who even starts a debate containing the premise of a "white american" experience, can be summarily dismissed as a closet klansman, or a racially-resentful embittered white loser.

Hispanic-americans, black-americans, and asian-americans can justifiably claim to have a broader, shared historical and cultural experience in america. That's just a fact, jack.
 
You bitched about an Asian Beauty contest being racist ? Is that right....tell me....what race is Asian...????

Countries of ASIA....PICK ONE, Pinhead

Afghanistan Kabul
Bangladesh Dacca
Bhutan Thimpu
Brunei Bandar Seri Begawan
Cambodia Phnom Penh
India New Delhi
Indonesia Jakarta
Laos Vientiane
Malaysia Kuala Lumpur
Maldives Male
Myanmar Yangon
Nepal Kathmandu
Pakistan Islamabad
Papua New Guinea Port Moresby
Philippines Manila
Singapore Singapore
Sri Lanka Colombo
Thailand Bangkok
Vietnam Hanoi

North Asia Countries
Country Capital
Kazakhstan Astana
Kyrgyzstan Bishkek
Tajikistan Dushanbe
Turkmenistan Ashgabat
Uzbekistan Tashkent

East Asia Countries
Country Capital
China Beijing
Japan Tokyo
North Korea Pyongyang
South Korea Seoul
Mongolia Ulan Bator
Taiwan Taipei

West Asia Countries
Country Capital
Bahrain Manama
Georgia Tbilisi
Iran Teheran
Iraq Baghdad
Israel Tel Aviv
Jordan Amman
Kuwait Kuwait City
Lebanon Beirut
Oman Muscat
Qatar Doha
Saudi Arabia Riyadh
Syria Damascus
U.A.E. Abu Dhabi
Yemen Sanaa
 
If you mean your retarded white African comment, then... no you have not. The African-American culture is not based around a shared ancestral link to Africa. It basically means black American. If I am thinking of what represents African American beauty I am not thinking about a white person whose grandpa was a colonist anymore than I am imagining a blond haired and blue eyed girl as Miss Italian America.


Thanks for putting your racism to print. :good4u:
 
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