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Libhater said:
There are 5 different versions of the proof that Jesus rose from the dead. I suggest you pay more attention to the #3 reason
where there were sometimes 500 people witnessing Jesus in the flesh.

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I think you mistake evidence for proof. There is some supporting evidence, if you believe secondhand accounts of eyewitness reports. Evidence is not proof, and the evidence is weak.
 
Damocles said:
I think you mistake evidence for proof. There is some supporting evidence, if you believe secondhand accounts of eyewitness reports. Evidence is not proof, and the evidence is weak.
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Secondhand accounts of some 500 people who witnessed Christ in the flesh after his 3 days of death isn't proof enough for you?
 
Libhater said:
Secondhand accounts of some 500 people who witnessed Christ in the flesh after his 3 days of death isn't proof enough for you?
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No, because all of these accounts are long after the fact, written down by folks that were not the people making the accounts, and are worse than secondhand accounts, these are hearsay twice over.

Again, this is "evidence" but it is very weak evidence. It is certainly not a "beyond the shadow of a doubt" type of evidence. This is why it takes faith to get folks to believe. If there were "proof" nobody would need faith, there'd be proof.
 
Damocles said:
No, because all of these accounts are long after the fact, written down by folks that were not the people making the accounts, and are worse than secondhand accounts, these are hearsay twice over.

Again, this is "evidence" but it is very weak evidence. It is certainly not a "beyond the shadow of a doubt" type of evidence. This is why it takes faith to get folks to believe. If there were "proof" nobody would need faith, there'd be proof.
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I get it, you're not a worshiper of or a believer in our Christian GOD, and that Jesus didn't rise from the dead. That's fine with me.
 
Damocles said:
I'm also intelligent enough to know the difference between evidence and "proof".
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Proof in this case goes over your head. Proof comes in the form of #3 from the link that tells how some 500
people witnessed the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. I suppose to you that proof wouldn't be really proof
unless you got the names of every one of those 500 witnesses.
 
Libhater said:
Proof in this case goes over your head. Proof comes in the form of #3 from the link that tells how some 500
people witnessed the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. I suppose to you that proof wouldn't be really proof
unless you got the names of every one of those 500 witnesses.
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Again, evidence not proof, hearsay reports of supposed eyewitnesses. That is not "proof" that is hearsay of hearsay... They wrote down what others say they heard from these supposed "500 eyewitnesses". That is some of the weakest evidence and would not even be allowed in court.

I also love the "He only appeared to his followers, and that's just more proof because only his specific chosen people could see him what a miracle" angle in that article you linked to...
 
TOP said:
So much screeching for no reason whatsoever...
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A real teacher would know it's both illegal and unconstitutional for public school employees to lead a public schools class in prayer. As noted in the link, this is in compliance with the Constitution.

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Prayer and Religious Expression at Public Schools: FAQ

Find answers to key questions students, educators, and parents have about religious expression and accommodations in PK-12 schools.
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May public schools require students to participate in prayer or religious expression?​

No. As government officials, public school employees must remain neutral towards religion and nonbelief while acting in their official capacities. For example, employees acting in their official capacities may not lead students in prayer (even if asked to do so by students), encourage or discourage student participation in religious expression, or promote or discourage participation in religious activities.
 
Damocles said:
Again, evidence not proof, hearsay reports of supposed eyewitnesses. That is not "proof" that is hearsay of hearsay... They wrote down what others say they heard from these supposed "500 eyewitnesses". That is some of the weakest evidence and would not even be allowed in court.

I also love the "He only appeared to his followers, and that's just more proof because only his specific chosen people could see him what a miracle" angle in that article you linked to...
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Do you also believe that it was just hearsay that people actually saw Christ die on the cross?
 
Libhater said:
Secondhand accounts of some 500 people who witnessed Christ in the flesh after his 3 days of death isn't proof enough for you?
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They are evidence only. They are not a proof. It is not possible to prove whether any god or gods exist or not. Attempting to do so creates the circular argument fallacy. This is what a fundamentalist does.
 
Libhater said:
Proof in this case goes over your head. Proof comes in the form of #3 from the link that tells how some 500
people witnessed the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. I suppose to you that proof wouldn't be really proof
unless you got the names of every one of those 500 witnesses.
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Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism). Evidence is not a proof.
 
Damocles said:
Again, evidence not proof, hearsay reports of supposed eyewitnesses. That is not "proof" that is hearsay of hearsay... They wrote down what others say they heard from these supposed "500 eyewitnesses". That is some of the weakest evidence and would not even be allowed in court.

I also love the "He only appeared to his followers, and that's just more proof because only his specific chosen people could see him what a miracle" angle in that article you linked to...
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Evidence IS allowed in court. Witnesses don't have to be eyewitnesses either.
 
Libhater said:
Proof in this case goes over your head. Proof comes in the form of #3 from the link that tells how some 500
people witnessed the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. I suppose to you that proof wouldn't be really proof
unless you got the names of every one of those 500 witnesses.
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Evidence is not a proof. Circular argument fallacy (fundamentalism).
 
Dutch Uncle said:
A real teacher
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True Scotsman fallacy.
Dutch Uncle said:
would know it's both illegal and unconstitutional for public school employees to lead a public schools class in prayer.
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No, it isn't. Nothing in the Constitution prevents it.
Dutch Uncle said:
As noted in the link, this is in compliance with the Constitution.
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The Constitution is not involved here, Sybil.
Dutch Uncle said:
www.ed.gov

Prayer and Religious Expression at Public Schools: FAQ

Find answers to key questions students, educators, and parents have about religious expression and accommodations in PK-12 schools.
www.ed.gov www.ed.gov

May public schools require students to participate in prayer or religious expression?​

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Yes.
Dutch Uncle said:
No. As government officials, public school employees must remain neutral towards religion and nonbelief while acting in their official capacities. For example, employees acting in their official capacities may not lead students in prayer (even if asked to do so by students), encourage or discourage student participation in religious expression, or promote or discourage participation in religious activities.
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They certainly can, Sybil.
 
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