Suddenly, the Tree Huggers seem pretty smart

[wanderingbear]

All the oil those 21,000 windmills need to be produced....

Where does that come from Cypress?

What Oil? wind mills run on wind.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

What Oil? wind mills run on wind.

Are they CONSTRUCTED with wind as well?

 

[Cypress]

All the oil those 21,000 windmills need to be produced....

Where does that come from Cypress?

To my knowlege, nearly all power plants in the United States - power plants that provide power, presumably to wind turbine manufacturing facilities - run on coal, hydroelectric, nuclear, or natural gas.

What is your evidence that a substantial number of power plants in the U.S. generate power using oil as fuel stock? I think you might have just pulled that out of thin air, but I'd be willing for you to show me your source.


In other news:

Now that "containment dome" has failed, I've got a bad feeling BP doesn't have a plan B.

"containment dome" always sounded a little shady to me. WTF is that? I kept thinking of Mel Gibson and Thunder dome. It all sounded they were flying by the seat of their pants. The gas hydrates are apparently filling up "containment dome".

Didn't someone think of gas hydrates, before some idiot thought up this "containment dome" crap?


Now, why do I think BP doesn't really have a Plan B?


Evidently, "Plan B" consists of shooting some shredded tires and golf balls into the borehole, to supposedly try to clog it up.

You know what? That sounds like something a 12 year old thought up. I gotta bad vibe that BP is flying by the seat of their pants, and this "containment dome" crap, and golf ball-cannon stuff is the best they got. Not cool.

Didn't these f*ckers have any sort of real contingency plans for deep water spills?

Or did our free market overlords and their puppets simply assume that the free market would police itself?


I never cease to marvel at the magic, and wonders of the self-regulated nirvana of the marketplace. (Cheers, Ronnie Raygun)

 

[Topspin]

Cypress park your prius and grab your balls if you have any. Drill baby drill is not going anywhere. The liberalest of your tards likes to drive around in fashionable BMW's not hybrids. You can justify your own failures by calling it a drilling cabal just like the tea party blames imigrants that aren't in thier occupation. Demand is cuasing the drilling not the suppliers. So until you and your tree hugging toe fue eating friends stop driving porsche's to the rally's please shut the fuck up or expect to get owned frequently.

Now, please skull fuck BP. No doubt they took shortcuts and like shitting in our backyard vs thiers. Texas explosion killed 15, this one 11, their Alaska P/L had huge leaks. Brits saftey records are as tight as thier teeth.

 

[Cypress]

LOL, hey desk jockey, have you ever found a drop of oil? No? Then stfu, I’ve found and been responsible for bringing to market tens of millions of barrels of oil. Stick to your bean counting!

I’m pro-drilling dork. They can drill the fuck out of Kern County or Santa Barbara county, wherever it’s sensible. I’m just against environment-raping robber barons. BP ain’t gonna get skull fucked. Don’t make me laugh bro’. They’re gonna pull an Exxon and tie this up in the courts. Courts that have been packed with corporate-friendly neoconservative judges. And as soon as any pending environmental devastation is off the front pages, the two-time Bush voters an their anti-regulatory hack allies in both parties are going to go back to their predictable blather about free markets and self-regulation.

 

[Topspin]

LOL, hey desk jockey, have you ever found a drop of oil? No? Then stfu, I’ve found and been responsible for bringing to market tens of millions of barrels of oil. Stick to your bean counting!

I’m pro-drilling dork. They can drill the fuck out of Kern County or Santa Barbara county, wherever it’s sensible. I’m just against environment-raping robber barons. BP ain’t gonna get skull fucked. Don’t make me laugh bro’. They’re gonna pull an Exxon and tie this up in the courts. Courts that have been packed with corporate-friendly neoconservative judges. And as soon as any pending environmental devastation is off the front pages, the two-time Bush voters an their anti-regulatory hack allies in both parties are going to go back to their predictable blather about free markets and self-regulation.

you don't present it as just a BP thing Joe Dirt. LOL
BP will be limited in exposure to claims of 75MM after paying for clean up cost. That's the law. And IMO they should get skull dragged as Exxon should have but you are right exxon didn't and BP won't.

 

[apple0154]

Did British Petroleum commit an act of war against the United States? We report, you decide.

Unless you voted for Bush twice and were easily duped into supporting the Iraq War and believing Climate Gate, Greg Palast is someone you listen too. The dude knows what the f he’s talking about.

Outstanding, brother Palast.

And my own anecdotal experience in the oil patch is that British Petroleum is indeed a bunch of cheap, penny-pinching robber barons.

Slick Operator: The BP I’ve Known too Well

Greg Palast

I've seen this movie before. In 1989, I was a fraud investigator hired to dig into the cause of the Exxon Valdez disaster. Despite Exxon's name on that boat, I found the party most to blame for the destruction was ... British Petroleum (BP).

That's important to know, because the way BP caused devastation in Alaska is exactly the way BP is now sliming the entire Gulf Coast.

Tankers run aground, wells blow out, pipes burst. It shouldn't happen, but it does. And when it does, the name of the game is containment. Both in Alaska, when the Exxon Valdez grounded, and in the Gulf last week, when the Deepwater Horizon platform blew, it was British Petroleum that was charged with carrying out the Oil Spill Response Plans (OSRP), which the company itself drafted and filed with the government.

What's so insane, when I look over that sickening slick moving toward the Delta, is that containing spilled oil is really quite simple and easy. And from my investigation, BP has figured out a very low-cost way to prepare for this task: BP lies. BP prevaricates, BP fabricates and BP obfuscates.
That's because responding to a spill may be easy and simple, but not at all cheap. And BP is cheap. Deadly cheap.

To contain a spill, the main thing you need is a lot of rubber, long skirts of it called a "boom." Quickly surround a spill, leak or burst, then pump it out into skimmers, or disperse it, sink it or burn it. Simple.

But there's one thing about the rubber skirts: you've got to have lots of them at the ready, with crews on standby in helicopters and on containment barges ready to roll. They have to be in place round the clock, all the time, just like a fire department, even when all is operating A-O.K. Because rapid response is the key. In Alaska, that was BP's job, as principal owner of the pipeline consortium Alyeska. It is, as well, BP's job in the Gulf, as principal lessee of the deepwater oil concession.

Before the Exxon Valdez grounding, BP's Alyeska group claimed it had these full-time, oil spill response crews. Alyeska had hired Alaskan natives, trained them to drop from helicopters into the freezing water and set booms in case of emergency. Alyeska also certified in writing that a containment barge with equipment was within five hours sailing of any point in the Prince William Sound. Alyeska also told the state and federal government it had plenty of boom and equipment cached on Bligh Island.

But it was all a lie. On that March night in 1989 when the Exxon Valdez hit Bligh Reef in the Prince William Sound, the BP group had, in fact, not a lick of boom there. And Alyeska had fired the natives who had manned the full-time response teams, replacing them with phantom crews, lists of untrained employees with no idea how to control a spill. And that containment barge at the ready was, in fact, laid up in a drydock in Cordova, locked under ice, 12 hours away.

As a result, the oil from the Exxon Valdez, which could have and should have been contained around the ship, spread out in a sludge tide that wrecked 1,200 miles of shoreline.

And here we go again. Valdez goes Cajun.

BP's CEO Tony Hayward reportedly asked, "What the hell did we do to deserve this?"

It's what you didn't do, Mr. Hayward. Where was BP's containment barge and response crew? Why was the containment boom laid so damn late, too late and too little? Why is it that the US Navy is hauling in 12 miles of rubber boom and fielding seven skimmers, instead of BP?
Last year, CEO Hayward boasted that, despite increased oil production in exotic deep waters, he had cut BP's costs by an extra one billion dollars a year. Now we know how he did it.

As chance would have it, I was meeting last week with Louisiana lawyer Daniel Becnel Jr. when word came in of the platform explosion. Daniel represents oil workers on those platforms; now, he'll represent their bereaved families. The Coast Guard called him. They had found the emergency evacuation capsule floating in the sea and were afraid to open it and disturb the cooked bodies.

I wonder if BP painted the capsule green, like they paint their gas stations.
Becnel, yesterday by phone from his office from the town of Reserve, Louisiana, said the spill response crews were told they weren't needed because the company had already sealed the well. Like everything else from BP mouthpieces, it was a lie.

In the end, this is bigger than BP and its policy of cheaping out and skiving the rules. This is about the anti-regulatory mania, which has infected the American body politic. While the tea baggers are simply its extreme expression, US politicians of all stripes love to attack "the little bureaucrat with the fat rule book." It began with Ronald Reagan and was promoted, most vociferously, by Bill Clinton and the head of Clinton's deregulation committee, one Al Gore.

Americans want government off our backs ... that is, until a folding crib crushes the skull of our baby, Toyota accelerators speed us to our death, banks blow our savings on gambling sprees and crude oil smothers the Mississippi.

Then, suddenly, it's, "Where was hell was the government? Why didn't the government do something to stop it?"

The answer is because government took you at your word they should get out of the way of business, that business could be trusted to police itself. It was only last month that BP, lobbying for new deepwater drilling, testified to Congress that additional equipment and inspection wasn't needed.

You should meet some of these little bureaucrats with the fat rule books. Like Dan Lawn, the inspector from the Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation, who warned and warned and warned, before the Exxon Valdez grounding, that BP and Alyeska were courting disaster in their arrogant disregard of the rule book. In 2006, I printed his latest warnings about BP's culture of negligence. When the choice is between Lawn's rule book and a bag of tea, Lawn's my man.

This just in: Becnel tells me that one of the platform workers has informed him that the BP well was apparently deeper than the 18,000 feet depth reported. BP failed to communicate that additional depth to Halliburton crews, who, therefore, poured in too small a cement cap for the additional pressure caused by the extra depth. So, it blew.

Why didn't Halliburton check? "Gross negligence on everyone's part," said Becnel. Negligence driven by penny-pinching, bottom-line squeezing. BP says its worker is lying. Someone's lying here, man on the platform or the company that has practiced prevarication from Alaska to Louisiana.

http://www.truthout.org/slick-operat...-too-well59178

The highlighted part is precisely what the problem is today. When will people smarten up?

 

[apple0154]

HAHAHAAHAHA give me a second I need to put some gas in my computor.

Ok now I can type some more.

I say more and more people should not drive to work. More people should follow my lead and work from home. If they work hard enough and are careful with their money they could even reach my level of a little heaven and actually not work. Think how much energy use that would save.

I do work and I cant help it if I found a job that does not require me to work very much. Being a landlord is a freaking easy assed job.

How refreshing!! What a pleasure to see someone not whining about their hard earned money and how they're struggling and how the government is taking their last penny.

Good for you, Evince!!

 

[Cypress]

you don't present it as just a BP thing Joe Dirt. LOL
BP will be limited in exposure to claims of 75MM after paying for clean up cost. That's the law. And IMO they should get skull dragged as Exxon should have but you are right exxon didn't and BP won't.

Nah, SCOTUS has already shown that they are sympathetic to corporate interests, and BP knows full well the strategy Exxon used to get out of paying any kind of reasonable punitive damages. That's what happens when neoconservative hacks are appointed to the court, and declare an ideology of "corporate personhood".


I just harsh on the "Drill Baby, Drill!" cabal, because its just a catch phrase teabaggers use. It's an embarrasingly stupid cheerleading slogan, effeminate, and vaguely pornographic. I don't think it's a term I would ever hear real, educated professionals who actually explore for oil use. I object to the stupidity of it, to the fact that morons who use it think drilling for oil off the pristine california coast oil is some kind of panacea for a viable energy policy, and the fact that Winky Palin made it her cheerleading song is totally comical teabaggery.

That said, I'm totally down with drilling onshore here until it's swiss cheese. And the deepwater gulf is a bitching place to find oil, but somebody needs to force those corporate f*ckers to have an actual containment plan in place and ready to go at a moments notice. "Containment domes" and the golf-ball cannon plan? What a freaking joke!

 

[Topspin]

I think turbo libs get two things very wrong, opposing drill baby drill is the stupidest thing we could do economically and socially. And being gay and afraid to oppose the ghestapo like prohibition of ghanja.

 

[Minister of Truth]

Random bullshit... and vaguely pornographic... More nonsense...

LOL Liberal.

 

[Topspin]

Actually BP will cover clean up but that Valdez law limiting liablity claims to 75M is looking like a pot of gold for them.
Come on Cypress you tree huggers do need to skull drag BP much better than a slap on the wrist of 75M. Shit the CEO probably nets that in dividend payments in a couple years.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Actually BP will cover clean up but that Valdez law limiting liablity claims to 75M is looking like a pot of gold for them.
Come on Cypress you tree huggers do need to skull drag BP much better than a slap on the wrist of 75M. Shit the CEO probably nets that in dividend payments in a couple years.

BP is all ready trying to wiggle out of it by playing the blame game, which is, essentially lying. Their Blaming the manufacturer of the shut of valve and Haliburton for the concrete embankment around the well head.

Not a line of shit I'm buying. Just because BP hired these guys or baught their equipment doesn't mean they don't have a responsibility to make sure it works right. The only entity to blame is BP. They can lie and point the finger all they want to but they aint kidding anyone.

 

[Topspin]

BP is all ready trying to wiggle out of it by playing the blame game, which is, essentially lying. Their Blaming the manufacturer of the shut of valve and Haliburton for the concrete embankment around the well head.

Not a line of shit I'm buying. Just because BP hired these guys or baught their equipment doesn't mean they don't have a responsibility to make sure it works right. The only entity to blame is BP. They can lie and point the finger all they want to but they aint kidding anyone.

I agree, but after clean up I don't see them spending more than $75M on public claims. They are in PR mode more than anything else.

 

[Cypress]

I take it that the Tea Bag partiers are unaware the ecology and economies of their deep south, gulf coast state are on the brink of devastation.

Oh well, I’m sure somewhere a woman’s right to choose needs to be curtailed.




Oil spill might last four months


SIESTA KEY, Fla. — A Republican congressman from Florida said Tuesday that a U.S. Coast Guard official had told him that the runaway Deepwater Horizon well could pump crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico for a minimum of four months.

"We've got to cap it today," U.S. Rep. Vern Buchanan said at a news conference he held on one of the nation's most celebrated beaches in the nation.

"It'll be probably one of the largest, the biggest ecological disaster in our nation’s history," he added.

….Officials representing the U.S. Coast Guard and the federal Department of Homeland Security accompanied Buchanan on a flight Monday from New Orleans over the site of BP’s offshore drilling rig and well. An oil slick stalking the Gulf coast began there after a fire and explosion last month.

Calling the situation “unbelievable” and “devastating,” Buchanan expressed fears that the spill, even if it doesn’t hit beaches in Florida, will scare away enough tourists to hurt a local economy just recovering from a housing bust and the effects of a severe recession.

The spill already measures over 100 miles by 120 miles, and threatens to contaminate beaches, and damage wildlife and fisheries, Buchanan noted.
“The biggest thing we need to do, and the reason I went is: We’ve got to cap it today,” Buchanan said. “We’ve got plenty of time to assess blame and other things.

“We have 210,000 gallons, minimally, pouring into the Gulf every day that we can’t stop,” Buchanan said. “It’s unbelievable, you know, they claim they have all these preventions and everything else, it’s unbelievable that we’re in the situation, but we’re trying to do everything we can.”

Buchanan called for accountability from BP, a thought echoed by his colleague, U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor, D-Fla., who represents another coastal Florida district.

“The explosion of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico and the fallout from the disaster are stark reminders that drilling for oil too close to Florida’s coastline imperils Florida’s economy, environment and security,” she wrote in a press release

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/11/93912/florida-congressman-on-gulf-oil.html