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Gov. Schwarzenegger Withdraws Support For Offshore Drilling Project In CA After BP Oil Debacle

Asked why he is withdrawing his support of the project, he said simply, “why would we want to take that risk?”

This is a pretty big deal, with a sitting Governor affirmatively canceling a proposed offshore drilling project in the wake of the oil gusher spewing black sludge into the Gulf of Mexico. Arnold Schwarzenegger just withdrew his support of the controversial Tranquillon Ridge project, which would have allowed new drilling off the coast of Santa Barbara in exchange for a future promise of shutting down oil platforms in the area.

The T-Ridge project is somewhat complicated – a few environmentalists in the Santa Barbara area actually support it – but when asked if an oil spill the likes of what is happening in the Gulf could take place in California, Schwarzenegger said “That will not happen”.

Asked why he is withdrawing his support of the project, he said simply, “why would we want to take that risk?”

Schwarzenegger is only the latest politician to move away from offshore drilling in the aftermath of the BP disaster. Charlie Crist and even Marco Rubio have equivocated on their support in Florida. Bill Nelson, who supported the President’s proposed expansion of drilling, now has introduced legislation to put a moratorium on it. Today on a conference call, Dick Durbin, a key ally of the President, said that offshore drilling would be “an issue reconsidered by many.” He insisted that the best place to turn for our energy future is “our renewable resources.”

Despite Sarah Palin “wanting our country to be able to trust the oil industry,” politicians throughout the country are throwing in the towel.

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/05...-drilling-project-in-ca-after-bp-oil-debacle/


Drill baby, Drill!
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German Green Party Tree Hugger Energy Policy:
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American “Drill Baby, Drill” cabal Energy Policy:
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Massive Offshore Windfarms to Power Green Germany

Note to environmentalists: German utility corporations are building gigantic wind farms offshore that are expected to provide a quarter of Germany’s energy in coming decades. One plant, on an island, came online this week.
“Wind and solar energy, biomass and water power today cover more than 16 percent of German electricity requirements.”

• Germany has 21,000 wind turbines
• These turbines provide 6-7 percent of the country’s energy needs
• When the wind is high, or domestic usage is low, the existing wind turbines can power all German households for a part of the day.
• North Sea and Baltic Sea wind turbines are projected to produce 25 percent of Germany’s power needs by 2050, or 140 terawatt hours of electricity.
• Even the conservatives in Germany are against building any new nuclear power plants and don’t see nuclear as significant to their future.

Germany’s energy policy was set by the Green Party when it was in coalition with the Social Democrats years ago, but has become so successful and popular that subsequent governments have stood by it.

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Cypress thinks windmills grow out of the soil. Ask him for the energy budget to produce one, ship it, and install it, maintain it for its lifetime, and finally, dismantle it before transporting it once again to be recyced. Now how much is the net gain?
 
suddenly they sound like the pompus asses they are. At least green peace and sierra club have wised up a tad and are sending volunteers instead of protestors. I'm all for your windfarm Cypress. Has Arny dumped his hummer yet, are you driving the Jetson mobile on fusion!!! LOL sent me some of those trippy drugs, fax them
 
Arnold pulling support for drilling in state waters might actually help pot get legalized. 60% of Californians support it and the state has a 20 billion budget shortfall. Drilling was the only big ticket additional revenue, so 'From Black to Green" my new book title. It'll be on sale in months. Do we have an English major willing to work overtime to edit.
 
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Arnold pulling support for drilling in state waters might actually help pot get legalized. 60% of Californians support it and the state has a 20 billion budget shortfall. Drilling was the only big ticket additional revenue, so 'From Black to Green" my new book title. It'll be on sale in months. Do we have an English major willing to work overtime to edit.
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you mean because you need to be stoned all the time to live with the fact you're stuck with California government?......
 
this one is not likely to be in the top 40 world wide once it's done. It'll be the second worse in the gulf.
 
Heres what you have to face.

Jimmy Carter was right all along and your attempts to insult the people who saw into the future fall on your own lame heads.

Tree hugger or oil rig hugger?

we all know who looks smart now.
 
evince said:
Heres what you have to face.

Jimmy Carter was right all along and your attempts to insult the people who saw into the future fall on your own lame heads.

Tree hugger or oil rig hugger?

we all know who looks smart now.
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you didn't drive to work because you DON'T work. Now for the rest of the real world we have kids to feed and mortgages to pay. I know you freaking turbo-libs would rather pollute a third world coutry than your precious Cali beaches.
Who looks smarter now, not the dumbass libtards against offshore drilling. Especially the ones using fossil fuels to type thier false outrage on a message board. Please even your small brains are better than that.
 
HAHAHAAHAHA give me a second I need to put some gas in my computor.

Ok now I can type some more.

I say more and more people should not drive to work. More people should follow my lead and work from home. If they work hard enough and are careful with their money they could even reach my level of a little heaven and actually not work. Think how much energy use that would save.

I do work and I cant help it if I found a job that does not require me to work very much. Being a landlord is a freaking easy assed job.
 
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Arnold pulling support for drilling in state waters might actually help pot get legalized. 60% of Californians support it and the state has a 20 billion budget shortfall. Drilling was the only big ticket additional revenue, so 'From Black to Green" my new book title. It'll be on sale in months. Do we have an English major willing to work overtime to edit.
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Man, you just know arnold loves to smoke out. And if we get Governor Moonbeam elected it will be open season for growing the ganja crop!


As for drilling, I have this nuanced, and apparently unfathomable view on it. There's plenty of middle ground between "drill baby, drill" teabaggers and unabashed tree hugging. I'm pro-drilling; I'm a former oil finder; I'm pretty hip to knowing what is technically feasible, and where/when to weigh risk versus benefit. I'm totally for drilling on private land, state land and federal property if and where it makes sense, and where the profit motive of oil can reasonably be balanced against other cultural, environmental, and economic impacts. It ain't rocket science.

That said, I'll be casting my vote for governor Moonbean in the hopes that ganja revenue can implemented as rapidly as possible. And no doubt, the Green Party of Germany's energy policy is superior and more plausible than Dick Cheney's drill baby, drill nonsense. :clink:
 
evince said:
HAHAHAAHAHA give me a second I need to put some gas in my computor.

Ok now I can type some more.

I say more and more people should not drive to work. More people should follow my lead and work from home. If they work hard enough and are careful with their money they could even reach my level of a little heaven and actually not work. Think how much energy use that would save.

I do work and I cant help it if I found a job that does not require me to work very much. Being a landlord is a freaking easy assed job.
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even most dems are as dumb as you pretend to be, SM correctly pointed out the gov collects 5 billion annualy on royalties.
Natural gas and coal are used to generate electricity they are hydrocarbons.
 
Cypress said:
Man, you just know arnold loves to smoke out. And if we get Governor Moonbeam elected it will be open season for growing the ganja crop!


As for drilling, I have this nuanced, and apparently unfathomable view on it. There's plenty of middle ground between "drill baby, drill" teabaggers and unabashed tree hugging. I'm pro-drilling; I'm a former oil finder; I'm pretty hip to knowing what is technically feasible, and where/when to weigh risk versus benefit. I'm totally for drilling on private land, state land and federal property if and where it makes sense, and where the profit motive of oil can reasonably be balanced against other cultural, environmental, and economic impacts. It ain't rocket science.

That said, I'll be casting my vote for governor Moonbean in the hopes that ganja revenue can implemented as rapidly as possible. And no doubt, the Green Party of Germany's energy policy is superior and more plausible than Dick Cheney's drill baby, drill nonsense. :clink:
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is moonbeam pro pot, I seriously think it does help the ghanja lovers wish of legalization from an economic standpoint.
I have not doubt Oil lobbyist fight regs, Valdez initiated a bunch of new ones and BP's will as well. You can't tell me Brazil and Norway can require auto shutoffs and we can't.
 
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is moonbeam pro pot, I seriously think it does help the ghanja lovers wish of legalization from an economic standpoint.
I have not doubt Oil lobbyist fight regs, Valdez initiated a bunch of new ones and BP's will as well. You can't tell me Brazil and Norway can require auto shutoffs and we can't.
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It's just like everything else is this fuck america era. Everyone else gets jobs, but somehow it's a national priority for our business community to employ as few americans as possible and destroy the borders to cheapen labor. why should we get shut off valves? Our government is dead set on prostituting us to the needs of the "new World ORder".
 
Major Landfall by Tuesday

The goo is hitting the coast in by Tuesday, according to the lying, liberal climate and oceanic scientists at U.S. NOAA.

http://deepwaterhorizon.noaa.gov/bookshelf/1947_TMF72-2010-05-08-2100.pdf


Predictions……..
1) BP will not pay economic and punitive damages; they’ll take the Exxon route to the SCOTUS;

2) BP is treating this primarily as a public relations, and engineering problem – not an environmental problem. Dumping megatons of toxic chemical dispersants on the spill reportedly just makes the oil sink. Out of sight, out of mind. It just moves the oil and toxins down to another part of the food chain – the pelagic animals and macroinvertrabrates in the water column and on the sea bed. This is uncharted waters: no one really knows how the food chain – and ultimately the local ecology and the Gulf fishing economy – is affected by a tsunami of toxic dispersants and oil.

3) No one could have predicted that Californians were indeed justifiably concerned about the economic and environmental impacts of deep water drilling on a pristine coastline.

4) The Drill Baby, Drill cabal will develop a collective case of amnesia, and forget that they spent years lecturing tree huggers that deepwater offshore drilling did not present potentially catastrophic risks to local economies and environment.


The BP Oil Spill’s Toll On Gulf Coast Wildlife: ‘All Bets Are Off’


The Washington Post reports today, "The slick now is larger than Maryland.

Officials shut down additional fishing grounds, effectively putting out of work hundreds more in an industry that is the lifeblood of the region, as well as the Breton National Wildlife Sanctuary. Out in the gulf, birds dove into oily water, dolphins coughed and sharks swam in weird patterns, said marine specialists who have been out on the water tracking the disaster."
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This is “the worst time” of year that this disaster could have begun, Dr. Comyns said, as this is the peak of the spawning and nesting season for marine wildlife in the Gulf, from fish to turtles to dolphins. As he has done in previous years, Dr. Comyns was planning to head out into the Gulf of Mexico to sample larval fishes from the edges of the Loop Current — a research trip that now has newly critical and disturbing import.

Professor Hans Graber of the University of Miami told the Associated Press that it’s “a matter of when, not if” the oil cloud reaches the Loop Current, the primary spawning ground in the Gulf for large pelagic fishes. BP is injecting dispersants directly into the underwater oil stream, limiting the slick at the surface, but increasing the contamination underwater. Protect the Ocean’s John Taylor reports that BP is using a dispersant named Corexit 9500, which has a “toxicity to early life stages of fish, crustaceans and mollusks” four times greater than petroleum.
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BREAKING: BP Effort To Use Dome To Contain Oil Disaster Fails
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meaning oil will continue gushing into the ocean for at least several more days, and possibly months.
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Did British Petroleum commit an act of war against the United States? We report, you decide.

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Unless you voted for Bush twice and were easily duped into supporting the Iraq War and believing Climate Gate, Greg Palast is someone you listen too. The dude knows what the f he’s talking about.

Outstanding, brother Palast.

And my own anecdotal experience in the oil patch is that British Petroleum is indeed a bunch of cheap, penny-pinching robber barons.


Slick Operator: The BP I’ve Known too Well

Greg Palast

I've seen this movie before. In 1989, I was a fraud investigator hired to dig into the cause of the Exxon Valdez disaster. Despite Exxon's name on that boat, I found the party most to blame for the destruction was ... British Petroleum (BP).

That's important to know, because the way BP caused devastation in Alaska is exactly the way BP is now sliming the entire Gulf Coast.

Tankers run aground, wells blow out, pipes burst. It shouldn't happen, but it does. And when it does, the name of the game is containment. Both in Alaska, when the Exxon Valdez grounded, and in the Gulf last week, when the Deepwater Horizon platform blew, it was British Petroleum that was charged with carrying out the Oil Spill Response Plans (OSRP), which the company itself drafted and filed with the government.

What's so insane, when I look over that sickening slick moving toward the Delta, is that containing spilled oil is really quite simple and easy. And from my investigation, BP has figured out a very low-cost way to prepare for this task: BP lies. BP prevaricates, BP fabricates and BP obfuscates.
That's because responding to a spill may be easy and simple, but not at all cheap. And BP is cheap. Deadly cheap.

To contain a spill, the main thing you need is a lot of rubber, long skirts of it called a "boom." Quickly surround a spill, leak or burst, then pump it out into skimmers, or disperse it, sink it or burn it. Simple.

But there's one thing about the rubber skirts: you've got to have lots of them at the ready, with crews on standby in helicopters and on containment barges ready to roll. They have to be in place round the clock, all the time, just like a fire department, even when all is operating A-O.K. Because rapid response is the key. In Alaska, that was BP's job, as principal owner of the pipeline consortium Alyeska. It is, as well, BP's job in the Gulf, as principal lessee of the deepwater oil concession.

Before the Exxon Valdez grounding, BP's Alyeska group claimed it had these full-time, oil spill response crews. Alyeska had hired Alaskan natives, trained them to drop from helicopters into the freezing water and set booms in case of emergency. Alyeska also certified in writing that a containment barge with equipment was within five hours sailing of any point in the Prince William Sound. Alyeska also told the state and federal government it had plenty of boom and equipment cached on Bligh Island.

But it was all a lie. On that March night in 1989 when the Exxon Valdez hit Bligh Reef in the Prince William Sound, the BP group had, in fact, not a lick of boom there. And Alyeska had fired the natives who had manned the full-time response teams, replacing them with phantom crews, lists of untrained employees with no idea how to control a spill. And that containment barge at the ready was, in fact, laid up in a drydock in Cordova, locked under ice, 12 hours away.

As a result, the oil from the Exxon Valdez, which could have and should have been contained around the ship, spread out in a sludge tide that wrecked 1,200 miles of shoreline.

And here we go again. Valdez goes Cajun.

BP's CEO Tony Hayward reportedly asked, "What the hell did we do to deserve this?"

It's what you didn't do, Mr. Hayward. Where was BP's containment barge and response crew? Why was the containment boom laid so damn late, too late and too little? Why is it that the US Navy is hauling in 12 miles of rubber boom and fielding seven skimmers, instead of BP?
Last year, CEO Hayward boasted that, despite increased oil production in exotic deep waters, he had cut BP's costs by an extra one billion dollars a year. Now we know how he did it.

As chance would have it, I was meeting last week with Louisiana lawyer Daniel Becnel Jr. when word came in of the platform explosion. Daniel represents oil workers on those platforms; now, he'll represent their bereaved families. The Coast Guard called him. They had found the emergency evacuation capsule floating in the sea and were afraid to open it and disturb the cooked bodies.

I wonder if BP painted the capsule green, like they paint their gas stations.
Becnel, yesterday by phone from his office from the town of Reserve, Louisiana, said the spill response crews were told they weren't needed because the company had already sealed the well. Like everything else from BP mouthpieces, it was a lie.

In the end, this is bigger than BP and its policy of cheaping out and skiving the rules. This is about the anti-regulatory mania, which has infected the American body politic. While the tea baggers are simply its extreme expression, US politicians of all stripes love to attack "the little bureaucrat with the fat rule book." It began with Ronald Reagan and was promoted, most vociferously, by Bill Clinton and the head of Clinton's deregulation committee, one Al Gore.

Americans want government off our backs ... that is, until a folding crib crushes the skull of our baby, Toyota accelerators speed us to our death, banks blow our savings on gambling sprees and crude oil smothers the Mississippi.

Then, suddenly, it's, "Where was hell was the government? Why didn't the government do something to stop it?"

The answer is because government took you at your word they should get out of the way of business, that business could be trusted to police itself. It was only last month that BP, lobbying for new deepwater drilling, testified to Congress that additional equipment and inspection wasn't needed.

You should meet some of these little bureaucrats with the fat rule books. Like Dan Lawn, the inspector from the Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation, who warned and warned and warned, before the Exxon Valdez grounding, that BP and Alyeska were courting disaster in their arrogant disregard of the rule book. In 2006, I printed his latest warnings about BP's culture of negligence. When the choice is between Lawn's rule book and a bag of tea, Lawn's my man.

This just in: Becnel tells me that one of the platform workers has informed him that the BP well was apparently deeper than the 18,000 feet depth reported. BP failed to communicate that additional depth to Halliburton crews, who, therefore, poured in too small a cement cap for the additional pressure caused by the extra depth. So, it blew.

Why didn't Halliburton check? "Gross negligence on everyone's part," said Becnel. Negligence driven by penny-pinching, bottom-line squeezing. BP says its worker is lying. Someone's lying here, man on the platform or the company that has practiced prevarication from Alaska to Louisiana.

http://www.truthout.org/slick-operator-the-bp-ive-known-too-well59178
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