Into the Night
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...and they have the gall to hide behind the Constitution to do it!
It’s been 16 days since the SCOTUS’ unanimous 9-0 order that the Trump admin must return Kilmar Abrego Garcia. When is the Trump admin going to be
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Into the Night
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Inversion fallacy.
And there is the Nazi we all knew you were.
Dutch Uncle
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Donald "the J is for Jenius" Trump: Dumber than he looks.Trump Appears Unaware Supreme Court Ruled 9-0 Against Him: ‘That’s Not What My People Told Me’
Trump Appears Unaware Supreme Court Ruled 9-0 Against Him: ‘That’s Not What My People Told Me’
President Donald Trump claims his lawyers have told him that the Supreme Court's ruling on Kilmar Abrego Garcia does not mean he needs to bring him back.www.mediaite.com
Dutch Uncle
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Proof MAGAts are anti-Constitution Satan worshipers.
What part of that says he is smart? His speech is at 5th grade level. He does not understand how the Constitution works. He is a serial criminal.
His talent is that he is a first-rate conman who can read his low-level audiences very quickly. He has carved out groups of people in America who he tells that he hates the same things they do. He is a terrible divider using hate to separate the American people.
Dutch Uncle
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Arbie thinks that because Trump was born rich and bullshitted his way to the WH that he's smart. Smarter than Arbie, of course, but not smarter than average.
He's still your president. Cope.
He's achieved the presidency of the most powerful country in the world. Twice. What have you achieved?
Dutch Uncle
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More than you, son.
Libhater
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Leftists don't achieve anything. They get what they need from bowing down to whatever the government gives them. You are no different
being a leftist and all.
Dutch Uncle
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Thanks, Hater, but when I want the opinion of the slow-witted hater of your family, I'll let you know.
Bai Lan
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EPIC!
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You can make that argument like the DoJ tried to do but the court has already ruled that such an argument in no way meets the definition of facilitate.
Thus, the government’s argument that all it must do is “remove
any domestic barriers to [Abrego Garcia’s] return,” Mot. for Stay at 2, is not well taken in
light of the Supreme Court’s command that the government facilitate Abrego Garcia’s
release from custody in El Salvador
IBDaMann
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You can make that fake-news claim to your leftist heart's content, but your activist leftist judge was simply regurgitating a DNC-provided narrative that misrepresented the DoJ's position; the US government was more than ready to bring Abrego back in the event El Salvador were to insist upon such. It is so typical of leftists, such as you, to claim that a judge can somehow order the President to invade a sovereign country to forcibly extract someone to be returned to the US for purposes of deporting him back to the invaded country via some new-and-improved process. However, the founding fathers have already ruled on the separation of powers, so your activist leftist judge can go blow the biggest donkey dick he can find.
Your activist leftist judge should just STFU before he finds himself in violation of obstructing the Executive branch and becoming intimately familiar with Indy Slamma.
No. the lower court was relying on the 9-0 ruling by the USSC that the government had to facilitate the return of Garcia and the long legal precedence of the meaning of facilitate.
Claiming that the USSC decision is merely an activist leftist judge shows it is you that is making fake-news claims that have nothing to do with actual reality. Claiming that facilitate means the US has to invade another country is you moving the goal posts. No one said they had to invade another country. You first claimed they only have to accept him. There are many actions that can be taken to facilitate the return of someone in a foreign country particularly when the US government is paying to keep that person in a foreign country.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
So the current POTUS openly defies (WITHOUT EXPLANATION) a direct decree from the SCOTUS.
The court that deemed money is speech, corporations are to be treated as live human beings in court and the President can commit crimes with impunity (short of murder) so long as it's within the confines of his office duties.
But the Orange Oaf and company are flexing their fledgling monarchial muscles ... so it's going to be real interesting to see just how far the other two Constitutional branches of gov't are going to let this go.
The "crisis" is building....next up, which way will the military and local law enforcements fall.
As the Chinese curse goes, we are living in interesting times.
The court that deemed money is speech, corporations are to be treated as live human beings in court and the President can commit crimes with impunity (short of murder) so long as it's within the confines of his office duties.
But the Orange Oaf and company are flexing their fledgling monarchial muscles ... so it's going to be real interesting to see just how far the other two Constitutional branches of gov't are going to let this go.
The "crisis" is building....next up, which way will the military and local law enforcements fall.
As the Chinese curse goes, we are living in interesting times.
IBDaMann
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Dial it back. The activist leftist judge misrepresented the DoJ, period. The DoJ has always been poised to facilitate Abrego's return should Bukele insist on returning him to the US. What the activist leftist judge did, however, was to employ typical activist leftist innuendo with an empty "it is insufficient to just ...", leaving himself and others ample wiggle room to say in the future "I never said that the DoJ was somehow not poised to facilitate Abrego's return; I only clarified what would be insufficient if it were to occur."
Now, here you are gullibly promulgating the activist leftist judge's disinformation, because your terminal TDS prevents you from thinking for yourself.
This is your own activist leftist disinformation, assigning to me a bogus position that I do not have.
... was the implication you were making in your activist leftist disinformation.
Yes, you say everything that you logically imply, and it was the activist leftist judge and you both who made that implication.
Yes, and you did not ask for any clarification from me what exactly I meant. You simply decided to assign a bogus position to me, because you are only capable of lying and overall dishonesty. You haven't made a single honest post on JPP, ever.
There is nothing short of invading that country to extract Abrego if Bukele insists on keeping Abrego in prison, which is the case before us and which is the case you are discussing. You are implying that an activist leftist judge can order the President to invade a sovereign country, the only option available in light of Bukele insisting on keeping Abrego in prison. Your position is stupid, completely unconstitutional, completely inhumane and totally un-American.
Interesting that you claim the DoJ has always been poised to facilitate Abrego's return when it is DHS and State that are responsible for facilitating his return. Then you seem to be unaware of the fact that the government could not provide one thing they were doing or planned to do to facilitate his return when the court simply said they needed to give daily updates as to what they were doing to facilitate the return.
LOL. I guess the government is now activist leftist judges in your mind.
The USSC said that the government was supposed to facilitate Garcia's return and was supposed to relay to the lower court what actions they were taking.
I made no such implication since there are many diplomatic moves that any country can make to facilitate the return of someone from another country. One needs only look at the return of US citizens in jail in Russia to see that invasions are not the only way.
How did I logically imply that the US had to invade El Salvador to return anyone? The court ruling I quoted from says that diplomatic means can be used and kept secret out of deference to Art II.
What bogus position did I assign to you?
We can clearly see that you have applied a bogus position as you spout your "activist leftist judge" bullshit.
LOL. And here you are again with your bogus position that the government can put no pressure on Bukele if he insists on keeping Abrego in prison. Facilitate does not mean that the US must invade El Salvador. It means the US must do something rather than nothing. That something would clearly involve diplomatic and financial incentives.
The Supreme Court’s decision remains, as always, our guidepost. That decision
rightly requires the lower federal courts to give “due regard for the deference owed to the
Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs.” Noem v. Abrego Garcia, No. 24A949,
slip op. at 2 (U.S. Apr. 10, 2025); see also United States v. Curtiss-Wright Exp. Corp., 299
U.S. 304, 319 (1936). That would allow sensitive diplomatic negotiations to be removed
from public view. It would recognize as well that the “facilitation” of Abrego Garcia’s
return leaves the Executive Branch with options in the execution to which the courts in
accordance with the Supreme Court’s decision should extend a genuine deference. That
decision struck a balance that does not permit lower courts to leave Article II by the
wayside.
The Supreme Court’s decision does not, however, allow the government to do
essentially nothing. It requires the government “to ‘facilitate’ Abrego Garcia’s release from
custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he
not been improperly sent to El Salvador.” Abrego Garcia, supra, slip op. at 2. “Facilitate”
is an active verb. It requires that steps be taken as the Supreme Court has made perfectly
clear. See Abrego Garcia, supra, slip op. at 2