"yes we (number 10) can"

cawacko said:
It's pretty simple with Desh. It is a black and white. You are either a Republican or Democrat. Democrat = Good, Republican = Bad. Not much more to it than that.

Ironically it very much follows Bush's line of thinking 'either you're with us or against us'.
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Not so clear cut all the time....I'm a democrat and I think I = bad in her eyes. Might use the word "conservative."
 
Nope , Its the ideas.

The republicans have made a mess with the IDEAS that the right harbors and so now we have the tea party and the libertarians fighting for the right to the IDEAS.

Why the fuck dont they just get some new ideas and quit fighting over the ones that have now crashed the world economy twice in one lifetime?


Dont expect me to keep track of the name changes that tout the failed ideas.
 
evince said:
Nope , Its the ideas.

The republicans have made a mess with the IDEAS that the right harbors and so now we have the tea party and the libertarians fighting for the right to the IDEAS.

Why the fuck dont they just get some new ideas and quit fighting over the ones that have now crashed the world economy twice in one lifetime?


Dont expect me to keep track of the name changes that tout the failed ideas.
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That's right ideas like we don't need Glass-Steagal right Bill Clinton?
 
evince said:
Nope , Its the ideas.

The republicans have made a mess with the IDEAS that the right harbors and so now we have the tea party and the libertarians fighting for the right to the IDEAS.

Why the fuck dont they just get some new ideas and quit fighting over the ones that have now crashed the world economy twice in one lifetime?


Dont expect me to keep track of the name changes that tout the failed ideas.
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And what are your great ideas Desh? Regulate? We can regulate ourselves to greatness! That's really all I see you proposing.
 
leaningright said:
Not so clear cut all the time....I'm a democrat and I think I = bad in her eyes. Might use the word "conservative."
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Well you might be the exception that falls through the crack. :)

No, it's not liberal/conservative with her it's a party thing.
 
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Its the ideas folks.

There is no going backwards in history no matter how much you wish it.

There is only forward.


Many on the right cant even manage to understand the real definitions of words like fascism, socialism, communism and the like and we are supposed to keep track of all your little side groups of the momment?

The ideas that somehow the MARKETS magic and is run by Ayn Rand fictional charactors who are so morally superior that it is best for us to all just accept their decisions as mana from heaven for our own good is a proven failure all through history.

There is not ONE example in Histroyof it doing good for mankind as a whole.

Its a failed idea.

Its crashed the world economy TWICE now in one lifetime.

We who do not have our heads up Ayn Rands dead ass are tired of you trying to resurect this failed idea under whatever banner you think is pretty this year.

ITS A FAILED IDEA!!!!

Gets some new ideas that at least MAY work.
 
Desh, here is what you have...

A Shit Sandwich, partially crammed into the mouth of the American people, as they watch you celebrate the cramming of the sandwich with jubilant claims you've given them what they wanted. In November, they will get the opportunity to vote, and they will either vote to swallow the sandwich, or spit it out. I know what I believe will happen, and I applaud your freedom to disillusion yourself until then.
 
evince said:
Conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its the ideas folks.

There is no going backwards in history no matter how much you wish it.

There is only forward.


Many on the right cant even manage to understand the real definitions of words like fascism, socialism, communism and the like and we are supposed to keep track of all your little side groups of the momment?

The ideas that somehow the MARKETS magic and is run by Ayn Rand fictional charactors who are so morally superior that it is best for us to all just accept their decisions as mana from heaven for our own good is a proven failure all through history.

There is not ONE example in Histroyof it doing good for mankind as a whole.

Its a failed idea.

Its crashed the world economy TWICE now in one lifetime.

We who do not have our heads up Ayn Rands dead ass are tired of you trying to resurect this failed idea under whatever banner you think is pretty this year.

ITS A FAILED IDEA!!!!

Gets some new ideas that at least MAY work.
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Here you go Top. You accuse me of being a whiny neocon when I said Desh doesn't support capitalism and here she is saying it.

I think one can argue capitalism has brought us the most successful and freest country on the planet. She seems to feel otherwise. Glad to know you join her.

Edit: The funny thing is Desh is you used to mock blackascoal for his being a socialist and saying his ideas don't count. Well if you are not for capitalism and socialism what do you support?
 
Polls polls polls, is that all you believe anymore?

We had a poll in nov 2008 and that is the poll that really counted.
 
evince said:
Conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its the ideas folks.

There is no going backwards in history no matter how much you wish it.

There is only forward.


Many on the right cant even manage to understand the real definitions of words like fascism, socialism, communism and the like and we are supposed to keep track of all your little side groups of the momment?

The ideas that somehow the MARKETS magic and is run by Ayn Rand fictional charactors who are so morally superior that it is best for us to all just accept their decisions as mana from heaven for our own good is a proven failure all through history.

There is not ONE example in Histroyof it doing good for mankind as a whole.

Its a failed idea.

Its crashed the world economy TWICE now in one lifetime.

We who do not have our heads up Ayn Rands dead ass are tired of you trying to resurect this failed idea under whatever banner you think is pretty this year.

ITS A FAILED IDEA!!!!

Gets some new ideas that at least MAY work.
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Why not ague against the conservative's definition of conservatism instead of making up a bullshit one of your own?
 
cawacko said:
Here you go Top. You accuse me of being a whiny neocon when I said Desh doesn't support capitalism and here she is saying it.

I think one can argue capitalism has brought us the most successful and freest country on the planet. She seems to feel otherwise. Glad to know you join her.
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I am a Capitalist.

I always have been.

I also believe in laws and their ability to keep the fucks who would DO ANYTHING for money from ruling our society.

We need laws and jails for the assholes on the street who would distroy the efforts of honest participants.

We need laws and jails for he assholes on wall street who would distroy the efforts of honest participants.

There is no Ayn Rand special class of citizen who is above the laws of his fellow men. Criminals come in three piece suits as well as blue jeans.
 
evince said:
Conservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its the ideas folks.

There is no going backwards in history no matter how much you wish it.

There is only forward.


Many on the right cant even manage to understand the real definitions of words like fascism, socialism, communism and the like and we are supposed to keep track of all your little side groups of the momment?

The ideas that somehow the MARKETS magic and is run by Ayn Rand fictional charactors who are so morally superior that it is best for us to all just accept their decisions as mana from heaven for our own good is a proven failure all through history.

There is not ONE example in Histroyof it doing good for mankind as a whole.

Its a failed idea.

Its crashed the world economy TWICE now in one lifetime.

We who do not have our heads up Ayn Rands dead ass are tired of you trying to resurect this failed idea under whatever banner you think is pretty this year.

ITS A FAILED IDEA!!!!

Gets some new ideas that at least MAY work.
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Here you go Top. You accuse me of being a whiny neocon when I said Desh doesn't support capitalism and here she is saying it.

I think one can argue capitalism has brought us the most successful and freest country on the planet. She seems to feel otherwise. Glad to know you join her.

Edit: Desh you used to mock blackascoal for being a socialist and say his ideas don't count. So you mock or don't like capitalism and socialism. What is it you actually do like?
 
evince said:
I am a Capitalist.

I always have been.

I also believe in laws and their ability to keep the fucks who would DO ANYTHING for money from ruling our society.

We need laws and jails for the assholes on the street who would distroy the efforts of honest participants.

We need laws and jails for he assholes on wall street who would distroy the efforts of honest participants.

There is no Ayn Rand special class of citizen who is above the laws of his fellow men. Criminals come in three piece suits as well as blue jeans.
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So you are a capitalist but continue to call capitalism a failed idea. That seems to contradict itself.
 
evince said:
See how you refuse to listen to what is SAID and want to change it so you can dissagree?
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You're not saying anything. You keep saying failed ideas but aren't stating what they are other than unfettered markets. Well we don't have unfettered markets. And I gave the one example of derivitives (sp) which you did not respond to.

And yes I think almost all people would agree with you that they would like to see crooks go to jail. But that is not new.
 
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