Well, that's how the Catholic Church explained the practice in order to let Pagans continue their traditions and thus get more conversions.
Seperation of Church and State...! Jefferson style!
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It was a common practice with several holidays. Not just christmas, but easter as well. How else do you get baby chicks, rabbits and hiding eggs for a holiday concerning the execution and resurrection of Jesus?
Winter & Damo....precisely correct. That is where so much of the traditions come from.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
So This Is Kwanzaa
Lynn Woolley
NewsMax.com
Monday, Dec. 17, 2001
You don't like the current slate of holidays that we celebrate here in
America? Then why not create one of your own? That's exactly what Ronald
Everett did back in 1966. He named it "Kwanzaa."
Since then, many people have embraced this new holiday. Check out almost any
appointment calendar and you'll find it duly noted on Dec. 26 that "Kwanzaa
begins." Stroll through your local card and party store and you'll find
Kwanzaa items.
You can even look it up in the World Book Encyclopedia, where you'll find a
nifty little article that says Kwanzaa was created by "a black cultural
leader." And those who celebrate it will often tell you that it's not just
for African Americans.
They're not telling you the whole story; in fact, it's doubtful that they
even know the origins of Kwanzaa. Few people do, because the voluminous
amount of ink expended on Ronald McKinley Everett most often refers to him
as Dr. Maulana Karenga and rarely examines his past.
However, the story of Ron Everett, aka Dr. Karenga, has been told - notably
in a Dallas Morning News article from Dec. 26, 1996, and in David Horowitz's
late publication, Heterodoxy, in the December 1999 issue.
The story behind the holiday and the man who created it is most interesting.
Forget the notion that Kwanzaa is a holiday for all people. Dr. Karenga
states that he created it at the height of the black liberation movement as
part of a "re-Africanization" process - "a going back to black."
Dr. Karenga, still just "Ron Everett" at the time, was heavily involved in
the black power movement. He started an organization called US. The letters
have nothing to do with "United States" but mean simply "US," as opposed to
"THEM."
He dropped the Everett name, adopted the Swahili one, which means "master
teacher," shaved his head, and began wearing traditional African clothing.
US members, similarly attired, often clashed with other black militant
groups such as the Black Panthers. The fighting was about which group would
control the new Afro-American Studies Center at UCLA.
There were incidents involving beatings and shootings, including one in 1969
in which two US members shot and killed two Black Panthers. Dr. Karenga had
other run-ins with the law, including charges that he abused women.
In 1971, he was convicted of assaulting female members of US, and he served
time in prison. An LA Times snippet describes the torture of the women as
involving a hot soldering iron placed in the mouth of one, while the other's
toe was mashed in a vice.
Dr. Karenga says that he is the victim; he was quoted in the News: "All the
negative charges are in fact disinformation and frame-ups by the FBI and
local and national police."
One thing that's interesting to note about the inventor of Kwanzaa:
Practically all of his crimes were committed against black people. And yet,
today, he is simply known as an academic who created a holiday for cultural
unity.
Nine years after Kwanzaa was invented, Dr. Karenga decided to moderate his
views and became a Marxist. In 1979, he was hired to run the Black Studies
Department at Cal State Long Beach, in all likelihood, the first ex-con to
do so.
And so this is Kwanzaa. The militant past of the creator is now ignored in
favor of the so-called seven principles of Nguza Saba - principles such as
unity, family and self-determination that could have come from Bill
Bennett's "Book of Virtues." The word "Kwanzaa" is Swahili, meaning
something like "fresh fruits of harvest."
No one remembers the part about "re-Africanization" or the sevenfold path of
blackness that Dr. Karenga once espoused. Hardly anyone remembers the
shootings, the beatings,the tortures and the prison terms that were once the
center of his life. It's just not PC to bring that sort of stuff up now that
Kwanzaa is commercialized and making big bucks.
Dr. Karenga does his part to promote the holiday and forget the past. In
December, he goes on his annual "Kwanzaa circuit" of speeches and
appearances. And he writes.
Remember that little article in the World Book Encyclopedia that legitimized
Dr. Karenga as a "black cultural leader"? You guessed it - he wrote the
article himself.
Happy Kwanzaa.
Lynn Woolley
NewsMax.com
Monday, Dec. 17, 2001
You don't like the current slate of holidays that we celebrate here in
America? Then why not create one of your own? That's exactly what Ronald
Everett did back in 1966. He named it "Kwanzaa."
Since then, many people have embraced this new holiday. Check out almost any
appointment calendar and you'll find it duly noted on Dec. 26 that "Kwanzaa
begins." Stroll through your local card and party store and you'll find
Kwanzaa items.
You can even look it up in the World Book Encyclopedia, where you'll find a
nifty little article that says Kwanzaa was created by "a black cultural
leader." And those who celebrate it will often tell you that it's not just
for African Americans.
They're not telling you the whole story; in fact, it's doubtful that they
even know the origins of Kwanzaa. Few people do, because the voluminous
amount of ink expended on Ronald McKinley Everett most often refers to him
as Dr. Maulana Karenga and rarely examines his past.
However, the story of Ron Everett, aka Dr. Karenga, has been told - notably
in a Dallas Morning News article from Dec. 26, 1996, and in David Horowitz's
late publication, Heterodoxy, in the December 1999 issue.
The story behind the holiday and the man who created it is most interesting.
Forget the notion that Kwanzaa is a holiday for all people. Dr. Karenga
states that he created it at the height of the black liberation movement as
part of a "re-Africanization" process - "a going back to black."
Dr. Karenga, still just "Ron Everett" at the time, was heavily involved in
the black power movement. He started an organization called US. The letters
have nothing to do with "United States" but mean simply "US," as opposed to
"THEM."
He dropped the Everett name, adopted the Swahili one, which means "master
teacher," shaved his head, and began wearing traditional African clothing.
US members, similarly attired, often clashed with other black militant
groups such as the Black Panthers. The fighting was about which group would
control the new Afro-American Studies Center at UCLA.
There were incidents involving beatings and shootings, including one in 1969
in which two US members shot and killed two Black Panthers. Dr. Karenga had
other run-ins with the law, including charges that he abused women.
In 1971, he was convicted of assaulting female members of US, and he served
time in prison. An LA Times snippet describes the torture of the women as
involving a hot soldering iron placed in the mouth of one, while the other's
toe was mashed in a vice.
Dr. Karenga says that he is the victim; he was quoted in the News: "All the
negative charges are in fact disinformation and frame-ups by the FBI and
local and national police."
One thing that's interesting to note about the inventor of Kwanzaa:
Practically all of his crimes were committed against black people. And yet,
today, he is simply known as an academic who created a holiday for cultural
unity.
Nine years after Kwanzaa was invented, Dr. Karenga decided to moderate his
views and became a Marxist. In 1979, he was hired to run the Black Studies
Department at Cal State Long Beach, in all likelihood, the first ex-con to
do so.
And so this is Kwanzaa. The militant past of the creator is now ignored in
favor of the so-called seven principles of Nguza Saba - principles such as
unity, family and self-determination that could have come from Bill
Bennett's "Book of Virtues." The word "Kwanzaa" is Swahili, meaning
something like "fresh fruits of harvest."
No one remembers the part about "re-Africanization" or the sevenfold path of
blackness that Dr. Karenga once espoused. Hardly anyone remembers the
shootings, the beatings,the tortures and the prison terms that were once the
center of his life. It's just not PC to bring that sort of stuff up now that
Kwanzaa is commercialized and making big bucks.
Dr. Karenga does his part to promote the holiday and forget the past. In
December, he goes on his annual "Kwanzaa circuit" of speeches and
appearances. And he writes.
Remember that little article in the World Book Encyclopedia that legitimized
Dr. Karenga as a "black cultural leader"? You guessed it - he wrote the
article himself.
Happy Kwanzaa.
W
WinterBorn
Guest
Ok SM, we get that you hate Kwanzaa and don't consider it a "real" holiday.
But that still does not justify allowing only one religion to have their displays on public grounds.
There are numerous other religions with holidays during the same season. Wicca, Judaism, and Islam come to mind.
But that still does not justify allowing only one religion to have their displays on public grounds.
There are numerous other religions with holidays during the same season. Wicca, Judaism, and Islam come to mind.
So the birth of a Savior is on par with Kwanza?
He is your savior, not everyone belives he is there savior.
Hell, around here it starts at Halloween.
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WinterBorn
Guest
I meant when the majority of the decorations go up.
THats the only way to make it constitutional.... Have a policy of fair criteria for what can be displayed and any group that meets the criteria can have a display.
Thats when it happens here!
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsumEnI5O2k"]YouTube- Marilyn Manson - This is Halloween[/ame]
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
How come they passed a bill authorizing the distribution of Bibles on the taxpayers dime?
If they did, it was unconstitutional. Legislators often pass unconstitutional laws.
Not everyone was for the passage of the 1st Amendment, but it did pass. It is part of what makes this nation Great!
I'm not even sure that the hell that means but I'll ask anyway,
Where in the Constitution does it say that?
1st Amendment of the Constitution. Very first clause in the Bill of Rights.
DamnYankee
Loyal to the end
He's the Founder's savior as well.
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WinterBorn
Guest
He's the Founder's savior as well.
Many people have many different beliefs. This country is set up to be for all of them equally. Its not set up to be for the christians and we just let the rest of them hang around until they cause trouble.
Do you actually believe its right and constitutional to only allow christian displays on public properties?
So you Counselor, think that somewhere in that Amendment it says
"our founders did not want the Government to respect the establishment of Religen."
RESPECT means to show regard or esteem for....
So where does it say the government should show no regard or esteem or respect for people establishing religion....
To me the amendment says Congress shall make no law....
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Well, its what the Founders did.
Full disclosure, the Bible Act was passed prior to the Bill of Rights, yet the same Congress wrote the Bill of Rights, so I don't see an end run around that point...