An educatonal piece... Criminal Law v. Civil Law.

Jarod

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In the United States, to put someone in prison you must prosecute them under a certain set of laws and procedures. Every state differs a bit, but generally not much.

CRIMINAL LAW Is a small section of American law and American Court Cases. There must be a specific law outlining the elements of the crime and the specific punishment allowed. (The court can impose different penalties, but the only thing backing up the requirement of the penalties is the threat of jail. Fines are often the only exception.) Another excepting is that there are often limits on what a convicted felon can do (vote for example) but those are set up based on other statutes and the status of the person as a felon. The court may order, for example, probation with certain terms... Like in a DUI, they will require an ignition interlock device on any car you own. But if you refuse to have the interlock device installed, the only resort the Court can turn to is Jail. Once a convict has maxed out on the prison/jail term set for that crime, he is done with the punishments.

CIVIL LAW In Civil Law (for the most part) one can be sued, by the State or Corporations or Individuals based on COMMON LAW (it can even rarely be English Common law), a Contract can set up a specific framework for how the law can be applied outside of Common Law, but the Common Law surrounding Contract Law still applies. Sometimes the Common Law allows or brings in elements of Criminal Law. Florida for example will allow on to seek punitive damages in tort if you can make a showing that the person you are suing broke a Criminal Law in the process of the Tort. (Example, a Drunk Driver causes an accident that injures you.) An example other than the Florida punitive damages law is what the New York Courts did to Donald Trump in the $550,000,000 judgement against him. That money is not a Criminal Fine... it is a civil fine, but it was able to be imposed (in part) because the Court found that the Trump Organization broke criminal laws.

FAMILY LAW is a subset of Civil Law, but again it does sometimes use criminal statutes, but it is set up in the CIVIL standards and requirements. For example in most States and in most situations there are no juries in Family Law.

Civil law is a MUCH LARGER area of the law and the vast majority of cases are Civil.

In Criminal Law one ALWAYS has a right to a Jury, unless it is waived. In Criminal Law the Defendant has a 5th Amendment right against self incrimination. (sometimes in civil law a witness can plead the 5th, but only because his testimony might be used against him in a Criminal Case.) In a Criminal Case, you can never force the Defendant to testify, but she can chose to testify. In Civil law, unless the Court allows someone to plead the 5th you can almost always require the Defendant to testify. I have called Defendants to the stand many times, against their will. There are separate rules of procedure in Criminal Cases than in Civil Cases. In a Criminal Case, the Government (A sworn prosecutor either brings charges in smaller cases, or gets an indictment in bigger cases. In Florida an indictment is only required in Capital Cases, but a Charging Document signed by a sworn Prosecutor is still required to sign a charging document outlining in specificity what Criminal Statute was violated and the maximum legal punishment can be.

It is very clear to the DEFENDANT when they are being charged CRIMINALLY. In fact usually a bond is required to remain at liberty (out of jail). If Florida a Police Officer can and often does give you a Notice to Appear, but that is not an official criminal charge, it is a notice to go to Court where you will proceeded only if the State Prosecutor has filed any Charges, if they neglect or decline to file charges, you are free. This is different from Civil Court, where you are simply issued a summon to appear in court by a party other than the police, although it might be the Government.


There is more to this, but it is clear in the cases where several states tried to remove Trump from the Ballot Civil Law was used. THE SUPREME COURT DID NOT OVERRULE THE LOWER COURTS FINDINGS BECAUSE CRIMINAL LAW WAS NOT FOLLOWED, they overruled the case because they determined only the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. In fact, they said CONGRESS CAN DO IT, and CONGRESS does not CAN NOT prosecute Criminal Cases. CONGRESS CAN USE CRIMINAL LAW to Impeach someone, but they cannot impose criminal punishments and are not required to use CRIMINAL PROCEDURE. Criminal procedure is a part of DUE PROCESS in Criminal Cases, but it is not a required element of DUE PROCESS in Civil Cases.

In Criminal law the defendant has many more protections.
 
In the United States, to put someone in prison you must prosecute them under a certain set of laws and procedures. Every state differs a bit, but generally not much.

CRIMINAL LAW Is a small section of American law and American Court Cases. There must be a specific law outlining the elements of the crime and the specific punishment allowed. (The court can impose different penalties, but the only thing backing up the requirement of the penalties is the threat of jail. Fines are often the only exception.) Another excepting is that there are often limits on what a convicted felon can do (vote for example) but those are set up based on other statutes and the status of the person as a felon. The court may order, for example, probation with certain terms... Like in a DUI, they will require an ignition interlock device on any car you own. But if you refuse to have the interlock device installed, the only resort the Court can turn to is Jail. Once a convict has maxed out on the prison/jail term set for that crime, he is done with the punishments.

CIVIL LAW In Civil Law (for the most part) one can be sued, by the State or Corporations or Individuals based on COMMON LAW (it can even rarely be English Common law), a Contract can set up a specific framework for how the law can be applied outside of Common Law, but the Common Law surrounding Contract Law still applies. Sometimes the Common Law allows or brings in elements of Criminal Law. Florida for example will allow on to seek punitive damages in tort if you can make a showing that the person you are suing broke a Criminal Law in the process of the Tort. (Example, a Drunk Driver causes an accident that injures you.) An example other than the Florida punitive damages law is what the New York Courts did to Donald Trump in the $550,000,000 judgement against him. That money is not a Criminal Fine... it is a civil fine, but it was able to be imposed (in part) because the Court found that the Trump Organization broke criminal laws.

FAMILY LAW is a subset of Civil Law, but again it does sometimes use criminal statutes, but it is set up in the CIVIL standards and requirements. For example in most States and in most situations there are no juries in Family Law.

Civil law is a MUCH LARGER area of the law and the vast majority of cases are Civil.

In Criminal Law one ALWAYS has a right to a Jury, unless it is waived. In Criminal Law the Defendant has a 5th Amendment right against self incrimination. (sometimes in civil law a witness can plead the 5th, but only because his testimony might be used against him in a Criminal Case.) In a Criminal Case, you can never force the Defendant to testify, but she can chose to testify. In Civil law, unless the Court allows someone to plead the 5th you can almost always require the Defendant to testify. I have called Defendants to the stand many times, against their will. There are separate rules of procedure in Criminal Cases than in Civil Cases. In a Criminal Case, the Government (A sworn prosecutor either brings charges in smaller cases, or gets an indictment in bigger cases. In Florida an indictment is only required in Capital Cases, but a Charging Document signed by a sworn Prosecutor is still required to sign a charging document outlining in specificity what Criminal Statute was violated and the maximum legal punishment can be.

It is very clear to the DEFENDANT when they are being charged CRIMINALLY. In fact usually a bond is required to remain at liberty (out of jail). If Florida a Police Officer can and often does give you a Notice to Appear, but that is not an official criminal charge, it is a notice to go to Court where you will proceeded only if the State Prosecutor has filed any Charges, if they neglect or decline to file charges, you are free. This is different from Civil Court, where you are simply issued a summon to appear in court by a party other than the police, although it might be the Government.


There is more to this, but it is clear in the cases where several states tried to remove Trump from the Ballot Civil Law was used. THE SUPREME COURT DID NOT OVERRULE THE LOWER COURTS FINDINGS BECAUSE CRIMINAL LAW WAS NOT FOLLOWED, they overruled the case because they determined only the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. In fact, they said CONGRESS CAN DO IT, and CONGRESS does not CAN NOT prosecute Criminal Cases. CONGRESS CAN USE CRIMINAL LAW to Impeach someone, but they cannot impose criminal punishments and are not required to use CRIMINAL PROCEDURE. Criminal procedure is a part of DUE PROCESS in Criminal Cases, but it is not a required element of DUE PROCESS in Civil Cases.

In Criminal law the defendant has many more protections.

So fucking what? You leftists have a hard on for trump and you are using and abusing every weapon you have to destroy him. You arent doing it to "protect" democracy or to prove no one is "above the law" or whatever horse shit you are trying to peddle today. You people won't be happy until you can own your load when you finally destroy trump. Even then I doubt you subhuman things will be satisfied.
 
So fucking what? You leftists have a hard on for trump and you are using and abusing every weapon you have to destroy him. You arent doing it to "protect" democracy or to prove no one is "above the law" or whatever horse shit you are trying to peddle today. You people won't be happy until you can own your load when you finally destroy trump. Even then I doubt you subhuman things will be satisfied.

That is a different claim than what I am addressing here, and many of your cohorts were making such ignorant arguments I felt the education was necessary.
 
the irony is in any legal thread, the op gets his ass kicked.

comes off looking sophomoric time and time again

yet he starts a thread like he is a teacher of some sort

cuckoo

cuckoo
 
That is a different claim than what I am addressing here, and many of your cohorts were making such ignorant arguments I felt the education was necessary.

Yeah the last thing anyone needs is an "education" from you or any leftist nitwit for that matter. I'll give you credit though at least you don't deny you people have a hard on for trump and will do whatever the fuck is necessary to "get trump".
 
Yeah the last thing anyone needs is an "education" from you or any leftist nitwit for that matter. I'll give you credit though at least you don't deny you people have a hard on for trump and will do whatever the fuck is necessary to "get trump".

Different topic, but I understand why you are reluctant to learning, it would destroy your world view.
 
the irony is in any legal thread, the op gets his ass kicked.

comes off looking sophomoric time and time again

yet he starts a thread like he is a teacher of some sort

cuckoo

cuckoo

Did I make a mistake? Was I wrong?

Are you adverse to learning?
 
Different topic, but I understand why you are reluctant to learning, it would destroy your world view.

Unlike you I have no problem adjusting my world view I just won't adjust it to leftist bullshit. The problem is you people have this fantastical that whatever you think is true. You think men can menstruate and have babies. Sorry but I dont really give much serious consideration to deranged people. You want to say I am "reluctant to learning"then? Fine but remember you're a deranged person. ok that bullshit you posted is just that bullshit and now you're pouting because I won't step in it.
 
Yeah the last thing anyone needs is an "education" from you or any leftist nitwit for that matter....

Magats need education from every life form above a snail. They are the largest group of not just uneducated morons but they embrace their stupidity and have no desire to better themselves, jumping to Qanon and other such stupidity so they can be surrounded with stupid.
 
Unlike you I have no problem adjusting my world view I just won't adjust it to leftist bullshit. The problem is you people have this fantastical that whatever you think is true. You think men can menstruate and have babies. Sorry but I dont really give much serious consideration to deranged people. You want to say I am "reluctant to learning"then? Fine but remember you're a deranged person. ok that bullshit you posted is just that bullshit and now you're pouting because I won't step in it.

So you got nothing but your silly party line. I understand.
 
Did you find an error? Didn't cut or paste, I wrote that this morning for the likes of you, but I know some of you hate learning.

you are blabbing on because the progressive idiots in Colorado have egg all over their face - as do so many here claiming this had legs
 
you are blabbing on because the progressive idiots in Colorado have egg all over their face - as do so many here claiming this had legs

What I love is Jarod things he has something worth learning. Lol you gotta love their narcissism
 
Avoiding what?

LOL, the inmates are now grading the doctors. The six year olds are grading those holding advanced degrees. The kid from the sandlot is critiquing Mariano Rivera. It's just laughable. They are simpletons. They have no ability to think critically. Their arguments have no nuance. I respect your attempt at a serious thread, but they don't stand a chance here.
 
you are blabbing on because the progressive idiots in Colorado have egg all over their face - as do so many here claiming this had legs

I agree with the Supreme Court, but yesterday many of your cohorts were babbling bullshit. I felt a lesson was necessary.
 
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