France & Germany still DO NOT PAY their NATO obligations - a middle finger to Ukraine

[serendipity]

Scaring NATO members into increasing their defense budgets. How awful. You're ridiculous and you hate Americans. You prefer that EU dick.

It was Biden that gave Pootie the green light with his "minor incursions" comment. And Obama's collusion with Vlad that started the whole war in 2014.

Most people, especially Americans appear not to know that. Part of the problem is Chamberlain died before the war was over and the narrative was mostly from Churchill.

 

[serendipity]

First time I've ever seen anyone quote Quora as a supposedly factual source....

I provided another source as well, did you read that?

https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...lain-create-conditions-raf-win-battle-britain

 

[Nordberg]

Better do what Biden did. Invite "minor incursions" in Ukraine, and create a real war.

Dumbass nazi mofo.

Putin already attacked Ukraine when he said that. Putin was all in. I cannot believe you typed something that ridiculous. But Trumpys can bend anything they want to "win" like Trump.Lies are your currency. Biden told us all that Putin was going in when righties were saying he would not .

 

[Nomad]

I provided another source as well, did you read that?

Not in the post I responded to.

That's the first I've seen of it.

 

[serendipity]

Not in the post I responded to.

That's the first I've seen of it.

It's in the same thread, anyway you've seen it now.

 

[Nomad]

It's in the same thread, anyway you've seen it now.

Whoopee.

 

[serendipity]

Whoopee.

Here is another Quora link for you to ignore.

Was British prime minister Neville Chamberlain’s decision to invest heavily in fighter squadrons and development of radar the main reason Britain was the victor in the Battle of Britain? Would Britain have fallen if not done in time?

Yes, and Chamberlain in particular should be credited with three specific calls that he made and persuaded his cabinet to agree to:

• Invest in fighter defence over strategic bombers, against the RAF’s own wishes. Chamberlain didn’t subscribe to the Trenchard philosophy of strategic bombing (which in turn came from Douhet), and advocated for the RAF to have a defensive strategy. He also believed fighters were cheaper than bombers, which was no small part of his motivation! Pressure from Chamberlain in particular was one of the reasons for the formation of RAF Fighter Command in 1936.
• Invest in single-seat fighters, particularly the Spitfire, over other types, like turret fighters (a design that one W.S. Churchill was a big advocate of). Chamberlain even spoke about the need for single seat fighters in the commons in May 1938, and had advocated their prioritisation even earlier when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer. No doubt he was getting technical advice from somewhere, but he made the right call.
• Munich. For all the negative things that can be said about the Munich Agreement, it gave Britain, and the RAF in particular, time to grow its air defences. At the time of Munich, Fighter Command had just 25 squadrons, but by the eve of the Battle of Britain, they had 58, and even more importantly, because of Chamberlain’s earlier pushes for the creation of shadow factories, the British were out-producing the German aircraft industries (which is even more impressive when you realise a Spitfire took three times as many man-hours to make as a Bf 109…)

Chamberlain himself wrote to his sister in July 1940 and said, “If I am personally responsible for deficiencies in tanks and guns, I must equally be responsible for the effeciency of the RAF”, and he wasn’t far wrong.

https://www.quora.com/Was-British-p...&share=629743d4&srid=ptTZY&target_type=answer

 

[Walt]

Most people, especially Americans appear not to know that. Part of the problem is Chamberlain died before the war was over and the narrative was mostly from Churchill.

Most Americans know little about Chamberlain. Chamberlain was the Prime Minister that declared war on Germany when it invaded Poland. Most Americans do not know that he was the one who finally stood up to Germany. Chamberlain was a member of the Conservative Party, just like Churchill and Thatcher. Many Americans, and almost all conservative Americans somehow assume that it was the British liberals pushing for peace at any cost. It was actually the Conservatives willing to sell out all of Europe for peace.

And remember, it was Churchill that pulled the key forces out of the Ardennes to reassign them to a defeat in Norway. That allowed the Germans to cross into France almost unimpeded. They may have won without Churchill, but they definitely won with him. Churchill later went on to give the stupidest orders for Canadian troops in France(unload all their artillery, and leave it for the Germans), and British troops in Singapore(put more troops in while removing their weapons).

Churchill was the only Conservative anyone could find that had a stomach for war. They paired him with Attlee in a war cabinet, where Attlee (Labour Party) took care of all the domestic policies. When the USA entered the war, they took over command of the war. That left everyone wondering what Churchill was doing. Which is why at the first opportunity, after VE Day, but before VJ Day, voters kicked Churchill out of office. Yet again, most Americans do not know that.

 

[Nomad]

Here is another Quora link for you to ignore.

Was British prime minister Neville Chamberlain’s decision to invest heavily in fighter squadrons and development of radar the main reason Britain was the victor in the Battle of Britain? Would Britain have fallen if not done in time?

Yes, and Chamberlain in particular should be credited with three specific calls that he made and persuaded his cabinet to agree to:

[*]Invest in fighter defence over strategic bombers, against the RAF’s own wishes. Chamberlain didn’t subscribe to the Trenchard philosophy of strategic bombing (which in turn came from Douhet), and advocated for the RAF to have a defensive strategy. He also believed fighters were cheaper than bombers, which was no small part of his motivation! Pressure from Chamberlain in particular was one of the reasons for the formation of RAF Fighter Command in 1936.
[*]Invest in single-seat fighters, particularly the Spitfire, over other types, like turret fighters (a design that one W.S. Churchill was a big advocate of). Chamberlain even spoke about the need for single seat fighters in the commons in May 1938, and had advocated their prioritisation even earlier when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer. No doubt he was getting technical advice from somewhere, but he made the right call.
[*]Munich. For all the negative things that can be said about the Munich Agreement, it gave Britain, and the RAF in particular, time to grow its air defences. At the time of Munich, Fighter Command had just 25 squadrons, but by the eve of the Battle of Britain, they had 58, and even more importantly, because of Chamberlain’s earlier pushes for the creation of shadow factories, the British were out-producing the German aircraft industries (which is even more impressive when you realise a Spitfire took three times as many man-hours to make as a Bf 109…)

Chamberlain himself wrote to his sister in July 1940 and said, “If I am personally responsible for deficiencies in tanks and guns, I must equally be responsible for the effeciency of the RAF”, and he wasn’t far wrong.

I don't care about any of that ancient history.

It still took the good ol' US of A to bail your asses out and pull your fat out of the fire.

What I'm curious about is, if you're so anxious to make it clear that Britain didn't appease Hitler, why are you pals with these Trump sucking Trumper goofballs who are all hot to appease Putin?

Seems like that would be an affront to you.

Unless your ethics are situational.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The current plan is to steal something like $300 billion from Russia and use it to finish the destruction of Ukraine. There is supposed to be an announcement tomorrow.

This will not end well for the West.

 

[Nordberg]

Thank gawd, we do not pay more. We do not need to pass the Ukraine funding bill. I am glad you agree.

Yeah, Poland fears a Russian invasion. The rest of Europe does not, right?

Sending money and aid to Ukraine is actually a way to defend NATO and save money. It is a cheaper way to do it.

 

[jbander]

Homophobe Lib

This is Biden and Obama's war. Pootie backed off when Trump was Pres.. Period.

Bullshit lala land idiot. There isn't a reason to read what you say , you are so full of bullshit lies. You are a cartoon character. Just another hate party Loser. You have nothing to contribute.

 

[Walt]

The current plan is to steal something like $300 billion from Russia and use it to finish the destruction of Ukraine. There is supposed to be an announcement tomorrow.

This will not end well for the West.

In Hawkeye's world, the USA invaded Ukraine, and is trying to destroy it. Russia is only there trying to defend Ukraine from the USA. This will all be announced tomorrow.

 

[serendipity]

I don't care about any of that ancient history.

It still took the good ol' US of A to bail your asses out and pull your fat out of the fire.

What I'm curious about is, if you're so anxious to make it clear that Britain didn't appease Hitler, why are you pals with these Trump sucking Trumper goofballs who are all hot to appease Putin?

Seems like that would be an affront to you.

Unless your ethics are situational.

Bullshit from start to finish!

 

[Bigdog]

Putin already attacked Ukraine when he said that. Putin was all in. I cannot believe you typed something that ridiculous. But Trumpys can bend anything they want to "win" like Trump.Lies are your currency. Biden told us all that Putin was going in when righties were saying he would not .

And Biden, the CIC, did NOTHING!

Putin began the invasion in 2014 of Ukraine. And Obama did NOTHING! Eventually he gve blankets to help defend the Donbass.

You got your war.

 

[Bigdog]

Sending money and aid to Ukraine is actually a way to defend NATO and save money. It is a cheaper way to do it.

How so?

But you said ...

"The deal is the NATO countries will spend 2 % of GDP on the military. If they fall short, assuming the 1.9 is an egregious shortage, we do not pay more."

 

[Bigdog]

Bullshit lala land idiot. There isn't a reason to read what you say , you are so full of bullshit lies. You are a cartoon character. Just another hate party Loser. You have nothing to contribute.

You contribute nothing. Go ahead and disprove what I said.

"This is Biden and Obama's war. Pootie backed off when Trump was Pres.. Period.", homophobe.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You contribute nothing.

Besides hate and divisive lies, what do you contribute?

 

[Diesel]

They are both discretionary.

The EU is no longer the devastated Europe it was after WW2. They have so much money and infrastructure that they are now massive welfare States subsidized by American taxpayers.

The EU can defend itself against Russia. The Ukrainian fighters and Russia's military failures have proved that.

It is time to wean these America hating foreigners from the U.S. teat.



It is time to stop the invasion of unvetted foreigners into the U.S., ... of mostly military aged males, criminals, murderers, gangsters, the infected, terrorists and spies, ... dumped into Black and minority communities ... which you white libs don't give a flying fuck about.

Subsidized how? By defense spending and NATO funding?

Whether the EU can defend itself alone against Russia is up for debate. You proclaiming it does not make it true. Ukraine only exists today because of the West's support. That is undeniable.

Allies support each other, especially against common enemies. I'm quite sure you would sit on a park bench and watch your best friend or wife get beaten to death, but honorable people defend their circle.

Then you completely broke from reality again and went on some delusional tangent about human migration, which is an issue for your therapist and pharmacist, not me.

 

[Diesel]

You are the delusional one.

2016 - $25,0000,000 to resolve Trump University lawsuit.

2019 - $2,000,000 fine for using “Trump charity” money on himself.

2023 - $5,000,000 for lying about it after raping E.Jean Carrol

2024 - $38,000,000 for again lying about having raped E. Jean Carrol.

2024 - $355,000,000 for submitting fraudulent loan applications and false business documents.

This list does not include two impeachments, or however many criminal indictments from various prosecutors.

The fact that he is barred from conducting business in the State of New York. The number of bankruptcies… pending lawsuits by police officers injured on January 6, and a new lawsuit from his prostitute Stephanie Clifford, and a list from Michael Cohen.

Still feel this many people are engaged in such a conspiracy?

He does. The cult thinks that a deep state and a corrupt judiciary and sinister elected officials and baby-blood-drinking vampire Democrats and the Ghost of Christmas Past have conspired to bully Trump because he's so strong and rich and manly and perfect.

There is no longer any hope for the drones like Bigdog. Their delusion is full blown clinical grade.