Active shooter situation in Maine, hospital says 'mass casualty, mass shooter' event

domer76 said:
Mental health is nothing more than a diversionary tactic dreamed up by a pro-gun person/group to divert from the REAL issue. The proliferation of guns.

The US has no more mental health illness than any other country.
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It's a legitimate topic. I agree Republicans would rather focus on it than LW gun bans, but I've yet to see the Republicans push to pass meaningful legislation on the matter. Democrats, of course, only focus on banning guns and controlling people, not helping them. Sad.

It was Reagan who pushed to close mental hospitals. Our prisons are fuller because many prisoners are in need of mental health care. If they'd received that care early enough, they might not also be criminals like Nikolas Cruz and his fellow mass shooting nutjobs.

Your perception of US mental health status and care compared to other modern countries is flawed as shown by the interactive charts here: https://ourworldindata.org/mental-health

https://www.william-russell.com/blog/countries-best-mental-healthcare/
which are the countries with the best mental healthcare in the world? To answer the question we analysed a number of countries on factors relating to promoting psychological wellbeing including work-life balance, the environment and government spending on mental health care. Want to find out what other places made the list? Take a look at the full findings below, mapped.

According to World Health Organization (WHO), mental health is “a state of wellbeing in which a person is able to recognize his or her own strengths, cope with normal health pressure, work hard and contribute to society”. This definition demonstrates that mental healthcare is important not just for individuals, but for the whole community around us.

Mental healthcare directly influences mental health rates by country and is an important factor for society. Recently, the mental state has become closely linked to the physical state. Governments around the world started to notice that mental healthcare plays a big role in their people’s happiness level. It is closely connected to the economical state of the country: four out of five people with mental illness don’t receive treatment because they have low- or middle-income. That’s why we have analysed the best places to live for mental health.
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https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-with-mental-and-substance-disorders
https://www.statista.com/statistics/917148/leading-health-problems-worldwide/
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mental-health-strengthening-our-response
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/mental-disorders
 
SmarterthanYou said:
like I asked badguy, do you think the government should prohibit individuals from owning any tool or weapon that could be used to hurt people?
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False equivalence.

Any tool can be used to hurt a person.

Note the singular designation....^^^^

It takes a firearm to hurt/kill multiple people without having to get close enough to them so that they might be able to defend themselves.

SmarterthanYou said:
as we've seen throughout the last century, governments with guns have murdered over 262 MILLION of their own citizens.........so if you're wanting to remove weapons of mass death, start with government
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I'm only concerned with OUR government, which does not murder significant numbers of its own citizens.

The US government is not the problem here.

The problem is such an insane number of guns available to anyone who wants one, they can easily obtain one or several.

volsrock said:
"lack of available medical practitioners."

and thats the NRAs fault
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Indirectly, yes.

They have played a major role and are a major factor in the reason why there are a good 10x or more guns in society than there should be.
 
Nomad said:
False equivalence.

Any tool can be used to hurt a person.

Note the singular designation....^^^^

It takes a firearm to hurt/kill multiple people without having to get close enough to them so that they might be able to defend themselves.



I'm only concerned with OUR government, which does not murder significant numbers of its own citizens.

The US government is not the problem here.

The problem is such an insane number of guns available to anyone who wants one, they can easily obtain one or several.



Indirectly, yes.

They have played a major role and are a major factor in the reason why there are a good 10x or more guns in society than there should be.
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what's the correct number of guns for a society?

how did you arrive at that figure?
 
Nomad said:
False equivalence.

Any tool can be used to hurt a person.

Note the singular designation....^^^^

It takes a firearm to hurt/kill multiple people without having to get close enough to them so that they might be able to defend themselves.



I'm only concerned with OUR government, which does not murder significant numbers of its own citizens.

The US government is not the problem here.

The problem is such an insane number of guns available to anyone who wants one, they can easily obtain one or several.



Indirectly, yes.

They have played a major role and are a major factor in the reason why there are a good 10x or more guns in society than there should be.
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I'm only concerned with OUR government, which does not murder significant numbers of its own citizens.




Having an armed society kinda hinders that...thank God the citizens were armed in 1776




The American Revolution against British Gun Control

https://davekopel.org/2A/LawRev/american-revolution-against-british-gun-control.html
 
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volsrock said:
LIE LIE LIE

More U.S. adults have received mental health diagnoses than adults in other high-income countries.

Among adults in high-income countries, those in the U.S. were most likely to have been diagnosed with depression, anxiety, or other mental health conditions by a doctor. In 2016, nearly one-quarter (23%) of U.S. adults reported a mental health diagnosis, compared to fewer than 10 percent of adults in France, the Netherlands, and Germany.


https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...ns-substance-use-comparing-us-other-countries
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I know, we are a nation of whiners. We are also a nation of drug abusers. How many people do you know who flock to their doctors because they have minor anxiety or depression? “I’m sad!”

But that’s not what we’re talking about here, is it? Not Mommy grabbing the valium because Daddy is an asshole or the kids are too much. We’re talking about SERIOUS mental illness. Schizophrenia. Paranoia.
 
Mr.Badguy said:
Like seriously let's look at any number of other countries' laws where this almost never happens. They must be doing SOMETHING different enough than us to prevent these atrocities.
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It is simply undeniable fact and the only reply gun nuts have is '...but... but... America is different and that would not work here...' which was also said in every other country by their gun nuts, before the changes were FORCED on them.


Other Countries Had Mass Shootings. Then They Changed Their Gun Laws.
Britain, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Norway: All had a culture of gun ownership, and all tightened restrictions anyway. Their violence statistics now diverge sharply from those of the U.S.
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Nomad said:
False equivalence.

Any tool can be used to hurt a person.

Note the singular designation....^^^^

It takes a firearm to hurt/kill multiple people without having to get close enough to them so that they might be able to defend themselves.



I'm only concerned with OUR government, which does not murder significant numbers of its own citizens.

The US government is not the problem here.

The problem is such an insane number of guns available to anyone who wants one, they can easily obtain one or several.



Indirectly, yes.

They have played a major role and are a major factor in the reason why there are a good 10x or more guns in society than there should be.
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Disarmament of the German Jews

The disarmament of the German Jews started in 1933, initially limited to local areas. A major target was Berlin, where large-scale raids in search for weaponry took place. Starting in 1936, the Gestapo prohibited German police officers from giving firearms licenses to Jews.[1] In November 1938, the Verordnung gegen den Waffenbesitz der Juden prohibited the possession of firearms and bladed weapons by Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

Well, we know what happened after that
 
SmarterthanYou said:
we decline to acquiesce to your request. your move.

do you not think that there are hundreds of us out here who know how to machine our own weapons? I can make 10 AR-15s a month on my own.
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martin said:
Which would be a criminal offense and something few people would do or be loony enough to learn how to do even if legally they could.
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Exaclty.

So what if a small percent make their own mass casualty guns. They are then subject to arrest if caught and if not caught, I am fine with them having their well hidden gun.

What it cuts down is the mass production and supply of these guns in market.

You want to take away power from the opioid trade and Mexican gangs. End this access to mass amounts of these weapons of war guns and the Mexican gangs go back to be mostly local threats only with much less power.

Almost 100% of these types of guns in Mexico gang members hands are American guns traded for the opioids and other drugs. Why? because it is easy and cheap currency for Americans to supply and they are effectively blocked within Mexico otherwise.
 
Nomad said:
False equivalence.

Any tool can be used to hurt a person.

Note the singular designation....^^^^

It takes a firearm to hurt/kill multiple people without having to get close enough to them so that they might be able to defend themselves.



I'm only concerned with OUR government, which does not murder significant numbers of its own citizens.

The US government is not the problem here.

The problem is such an insane number of guns available to anyone who wants one, they can easily obtain one or several.



Indirectly, yes.

They have played a major role and are a major factor in the reason why there are a good 10x or more guns in society than there should be.
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I'm only concerned with OUR government, which does not murder significant numbers of its own citizens.




You need to call BLM and inform them of that...maybe the will stop burning down cities
 
Obama_Phone said:
probably outlawing sugar would save more lives.
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it might well.

But the law has always differentiated between 'protecting oneself from oneself' and 'protecting one self from others', for obvious reasons.

While the law may encroach a bit on the former, and we can all debate the governments role in that regard, few debate that the role of the gov't to protect society from 'others', whether it is local police or a military.
 
QP! said:
it might well.

But the law has always differentiated between 'protecting oneself from oneself' and 'protecting one self from others', for obvious reasons.

While the law may encroach a bit on the former, and we can all debate the governments role in that regard, few debate that the role of the gov't to protect society from 'others', whether it is local police or a military.
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pre-crime is not something to get into as a civilized people.

that's the road to totalitarianism.

good people arming themselves would have stopped this fucker.

more guns really is the answer.

I propose mandatory gun ownership.
 
QP! said:
Exaclty.

So what if a small percent make their own mass casualty guns. They are then subject to arrest if caught and if not caught, I am fine with them having their well hidden gun.

What it cuts down is the mass production and supply of these guns in market.

You want to take away power from the opioid trade and Mexican gangs. End this access to mass amounts of these weapons of war guns and the Mexican gangs go back to be mostly local threats only with much less power.

Almost 100% of these types of guns in Mexico gang members hands are American guns traded for the opioids and other drugs. Why? because it is easy and cheap currency for Americans to supply and they are effectively blocked within Mexico otherwise.
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what bullshit. I bet you think white American males were entirely responsible for the slave trade as well, don't you, low IQ idiot.
 
volsrock said:
Disarmament of the German Jews

The disarmament of the German Jews started in 1933, initially limited to local areas. A major target was Berlin, where large-scale raids in search for weaponry took place. Starting in 1936, the Gestapo prohibited German police officers from giving firearms licenses to Jews.[1] In November 1938, the Verordnung gegen den Waffenbesitz der Juden prohibited the possession of firearms and bladed weapons by Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disarmament_of_the_German_Jews

Well, we know what happened after that
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False equivalency. Hyperbolic bullshit.
 
Obama_Phone said:
pre-crime is not something to get into as a civilized people.

that's the road to totalitarianism.

good people arming themselves would have stopped this fucker.

more guns really is the answer.

I propose mandatory gun ownership.
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Ruh roh. Always the inevitable “would have” bullshit.

Would have - the mantra of losers
 
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