$100,000,000.00

volsrock said:
Is Hamas in France etc


I have not seen any Palestines protest the slaughter of Jews on Oct 7 ANYWHERE


Has Rashida Tlaib protested the slaughter of Oct 7?
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Wow, is that ever a conflation of very different, albeit equally ineffective arguments.

What does France have to do w/ anything?

What does Tlaib have to do w/ the Palestinians of Gaza?

You want all of the Palestinians of Gaza to be "the enemy," apparently. You have to generalize to create that perception, in a way that is not at all in line with reality.

International politics & events have much more complexity than you allot for.
 
BartenderElite said:
You're pretty confused on the whole Palestinian/Hamas thing.
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Is he?

Despite being a widely acknowledged idiot,
sort of a dime-store Earl,
Vol instead of Commodore,
volsrock may have this issue right.

One only needs a shoe size IQ to understand on which side of this mess we need to be.
 
ExpressLane said:
Joke Bribem gave $100,000,000.00 to the Palestinians for humanitarian aid. In Gaza everything is controlled by Hamas if you give aid or cash it will go to the Hamas terrorist. Israelis will be killed by guns and missiles that WE paid for. They dug up WATER pipes and made rockets from them for Pete's sake. I hear the Taliban have lots of great slightly used arms for sale. :palm: Maybe our idiot in chief should have sent tents and MRE to Egypt for a temporary refugee camp just on the Egyptian side of the border. Then "bribed" the Egyptians into taking Palestinian civilians into the temporary refugee camp.

Was giving the Palestinians a $100,000,000.00 of our tax dollars a good idea? What would JPP do?:thinking:
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Good on Joe. Except that money has to be appropriated, doesn’t it?

Great job by the old guy. Balancing support for an old ally, thereby letting the world know we still stand by them. Unlike the Trump days.

Then, demonstrating the humanitarian side of the US.

Great job for Joe. Double win!
 
cawacko said:
There's been a history of it. It's not an easy line to walk, giving money to needy Palestinians while hoping it doesn't get into the hands of Hamas. The West (U.S., Israel and allies) don't deliberately fund Hamas (to my knowledge) but money we give has definitely ended up in Hamas' hands funding their activities.

One can argue that good coming from the money we give outweighs the negatives, but it's pretty much turning a blind eye to think some of it won't end up in Hamas' coffers.
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It’s kinda up to Israel and the $ billion they’re getting to take care of Hamas, isn’t it?
 
Poor Joe didn't get a single win yesterday let alone a double... Why did he even go? That has to be the longest distance traveled for a photo op ever..
 
TOP said:
Poor Joe didn't get a single win yesterday let alone a double... Why did he even go? That has to be the longest distance traveled for a photo op ever..
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Double win for Joe.

In the meantime, back at home.

The Republicans can’t find their asses enough to elect a speaker.
And their leader is told to shut the fuck up. Both inside the courtroom and out.

Last, but not least, Trump’s own lawyer pleads guilty and agrees to testify in any upcoming trial.

Just a bitch of a week for the Republicans. Looks like more of the same to follow.
 
To show support?

If he doesn't go, that means he hates the Jews and supports Hamas.
If he does, he is weak and empowers Hamas.

You can't win with them.
 
BartenderElite said:
Wow, is that ever a conflation of very different, albeit equally ineffective arguments.

What does France have to do w/ anything?

What does Tlaib have to do w/ the Palestinians of Gaza?

You want all of the Palestinians of Gaza to be "the enemy," apparently. You have to generalize to create that perception, in a way that is not at all in line with reality.

International politics & events have much more complexity than you allot for.
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Her parents are Palestinians from Gaza...has she protested the slaughter on Oct 7?

Have any Palestines in America protested?
 
BartenderElite said:
I've spoken out about both. In the context of JPP, I've been more vocal about the Palestinians in Gaza, simply because quite a few conservative posters here have basically done the Jesse Watters and continue to argue that they aren't much different from Hamas, and somewhat deserve the consequences for electing Hamas and not trying to oppose them or oust them from power.
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It’s like the U.S., not everyone votes for or supports those in power.

As I understand the modern way of viewing this:

Israel = white people
Palestinians = black/brown people

Israel = oppressors
Palestinians = oppressed

Now not everyone see it through that lens but it’s why the more progressive and younger people support the Palestinians. It’s why Hamas attack was viewed as fighting back against its oppressor rather than an act of terror. This issue is one of the few that doesn’t fall neatly among tribal/partisan lines.
 
cawacko said:
It’s like the U.S., not everyone votes for or supports those in power.

As I understand the modern way of viewing this:

Israel = white people
Palestinians = black/brown people

Israel = oppressors
Palestinians = oppressed

Now not everyone see it through that lens but it’s why the more progressive and younger people support the Palestinians. It’s why Hamas attack was viewed as fighting back against its oppressor rather than an act of terror. This issue is one of the few that doesn’t fall neatly among tribal/partisan lines.
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I agree.

And, I would add - grievance is kind of a never-ending cycle. Do Palestinians have legit grievances against Israel? Of course. Are they legit enough to justify violence? Absolutely not - and particularly not the kind of violence we saw w/ Hamas' recent attack. There is no justification for that, ever.

Does Israel have legit grievances against Hamas? For sure..

I thought the same thing after 9/11. America has meddled in the Middle East for many decades, often dictating the politics there, and causing suffering. Did people there have legit grievances against the U.S.? It would be foolish to say they didn't. Enough to justify the attacks of 9/11? Fuck no. But, I can see why some citizens of the Middle East probably saw that as some sort of comeuppance.

And the grievance cycle continued. Our invasion of Iraq caused almost incomprehensible suffering & death, and was not justified. But Americans supported it, because WE were wronged. The disproportionate nature of the response did not matter at that time. It became more about lashing out than about justice.

We'll continue on this merry-go-round until people realize that the vast majority of OTHER people are just trying to get through life, figure it out, work & make enough money, raise their kids, etc. The differences between us aren't as big as the generalizations we make about each other would have us believe.
 
volsrock said:
Concunt wants Palestinians given a pass for the hate and terror the spread.....he is a terrorist supporting piece of shit.
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Why can't you guys differentiate between Hamas and Palestinian citizens? The US doesn't have all Palestine on its list of terrorists, just Hamas.
 
cawacko said:
You mean instead of the U.S. giving Palestinians money?
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Not instead of. The package includes a billion in aid to Israel and 100 million for Palestinian relief.

As far as ridding Gaza of Hamas, since Israel is right there surrounding Gaza and we’re providing a billion more, the ball is in their court, dontcha think?
 
BartenderElite said:
I agree.

And, I would add - grievance is kind of a never-ending cycle. Do Palestinians have legit grievances against Israel? Of course. Are they legit enough to justify violence? Absolutely not - and particularly not the kind of violence we saw w/ Hamas' recent attack. There is no justification for that, ever.

Does Israel have legit grievances against Hamas? For sure..

I thought the same thing after 9/11. America has meddled in the Middle East for many decades, often dictating the politics there, and causing suffering. Did people there have legit grievances against the U.S.? It would be foolish to say they didn't. Enough to justify the attacks of 9/11? Fuck no. But, I can see why some citizens of the Middle East probably saw that as some sort of comeuppance.

And the grievance cycle continued. Our invasion of Iraq caused almost incomprehensible suffering & death, and was not justified. But Americans supported it, because WE were wronged. The disproportionate nature of the response did not matter at that time. It became more about lashing out than about justice.

We'll continue on this merry-go-round until people realize that the vast majority of OTHER people are just trying to get through life, figure it out, work & make enough money, raise their kids, etc. The differences between us aren't as big as the generalizations we make about each other would have us believe.
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Well said. :thumbsup::hand::hand:
 
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