Most Gazans didn't support Hamas attacking

[Uncensored2008]

I gave you a chance to educate yourself. Numerous times. But your willfully ignorant lazy ass couldn’t get you that far.

To EVEN RECEIVE a mail in ballot in PA, you need to provide:

Name
Address
DOB
Voting district
Length of time in district.

Then declaration is signed saying they are eligible to vote in that election.

THEN, the district determines whether they are eligible for mail in ballot by comparing that with DL or last 4 digits of SSN and the voter’s permanent registration card.

Those are the hoops you have to jump through BEFORE the ballot is even mailed to you.

When the ballot is returned, the NAME and ADDRESS is checked.

The law says the ballot cannot be rejected SOLELY on signature ALONE.

UNANIMOUSLY DECISION.

After all that, you still think the votes aren’t secure. That’s because you’re hockey puck stupid.

So, asswipe, I gave you more oxygen than you deserved on this topic. You can now suffocate in your own ignorance

Still trying to lie your way out of this, huh?

Well, you do go by dumber.

{Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar had issued guidance earlier this year saying local election officials cannot toss ballots because of signature comparisons alone.“If the Voter’s Declaration on the return envelope is signed and the county board is satisfied that the declaration is sufficient, the mail-in or absentee ballot should be approved for canvassing unless challenged in accordance with the Pennsylvania Election Code,” Boockvar’s mid-September guidance read.

“The Pennsylvania Election Code does not authorize the county board of elections to set aside returned absentee or mail-in ballots based solely on signature analysis by the county board of elections.”
The court concluded that there was no clause in the state’s election code that allowed ballots to be rejected based on signature comparisons, and if the state’s lawmakers wanted one, they would have included it.}

 

[Uncensored2008]

And inflation was down under them. Didn't someone say "it's the economy, stupid"?

 

[christiefan915]

And inflation was down under them. Didn't someone say "it's the economy, stupid"?

And Mussolini made the trains run on time. It's all about money with you MAGAs, grifting and corruption take a back seat to it.

 

[Cypress]

Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

According to the latest Washington Institute polling, conducted in July 2023, Hamas’s decision to break the ceasefire was not a popular move. While the majority of Gazans (65%) did think it likely that there would be “a large military conflict between Israel and Hamas in Gaza” this year, a similar percentage (62%) supported Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel. Moreover, half (50%) agreed with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution based on the 1967 borders.” Moreover, across the region, Hamas has lost popularity over time among many Arab publics. This decline in popularity may have been one of the motivating factors behind the group’s decision to attack.

In fact, Gazan frustration with Hamas governance is clear; most Gazans expressed a preference for PA administration and security officials over Hamas—the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,” including 47% who strongly agreed. Nor is this a new view—this proposal has had majority support in Gaza since first polled by The Washington Institute in 2014.

Opinion: Many Palestinians in Gaza hate Hamas. My father certainly did

When my father, who was born and raised in Gaza, was still alive, he often spoke out against Hamas, calling it the ugly face of the Palestinian struggle everywhere.

Since Hamas’ attack on Israel, as I have read post after post on social media referring to Hamas as freedom fighters involved in anti-colonial resistance, I have been struck by the devastating weight of this lie. It is an insult to Palestinians to refer to these terrorists as our freedom fighters.

At the hands of Hamas, the Jewish people have endured horrors not seen since the Holocaust. And, like the Nazis, Hamas does not view Jewish people as human beings. According to its 1988 covenant, every Jew must be eradicated from this earth. Its goal is not the genocide of Jewish people in Israel; its goal is the genocide of all Jewish people on this planet, period.

My father hated that Hamas had dominated the conversation and positioned itself as the face of Gaza worldwide.


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[Yakuda]

Opinion: Many Palestinians in Gaza hate Hamas. My father certainly did

When my father, who was born and raised in Gaza, was still alive, he often spoke out against Hamas, calling it the ugly face of the Palestinian struggle everywhere.

Since Hamas’ attack on Israel, as I have read post after post on social media referring to Hamas as freedom fighters involved in anti-colonial resistance, I have been struck by the devastating weight of this lie. It is an insult to Palestinians to refer to these terrorists as our freedom fighters.

At the hands of Hamas, the Jewish people have endured horrors not seen since the Holocaust. And, like the Nazis, Hamas does not view Jewish people as human beings. According to its 1988 covenant, every Jew must be eradicated from this earth. Its goal is not the genocide of Jewish people in Israel; its goal is the genocide of all Jewish people on this planet, period.

My father hated that Hamas had dominated the conversation and positioned itself as the face of Gaza worldwide.

And Hamas is the governing body of Palestinians as freely elected by Palestinians

 

[Yakuda]

And Mussolini made the trains run on time. It's all about money with you MAGAs, grifting and corruption take a back seat to it.

So you're a fan of facsism. It's refreshing to see a leftist admit to what we already know.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

So you're a fan of facsism. It's refreshing to see a leftist admit to what we already know.

We? You and your monkey? The fact you think you are smarter than Christie or can bullshit everyone who reads both of your posts is amusing, Yak.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

And Hamas is the governing body of Palestinians as freely elected by Palestinians

Agreed but that doesn't mean all Palestinians support Hamas. They won in 2006 with 44.45% of the vote and 74 of the 132 seats in their government so, like Trump in 2016, they won with less than half the popular vote. LOL

 

[NiftyNiblick]

The main issue to be recognized on this matter is that survival has never been about right and wrong.

Survival has always been about us and them.

If Israel is to survive the hatred of the Palestinians,
they can't worry about Palestinian "innocents."

They must be unforgivably brutal
and hope that they fare better than those
who were unforgivably brutal towards them
in the previous century.

That's how this unforgiving world works.

 

[Cypress]

And Hamas is the governing body of Palestinians as freely elected by Palestinians

What's weird is that MAGA cultists do not believe in collective punishment and military retribution against Russian civilian populations, but they do support collective punishment and mass destruction of Palestian civilians.

It's almost like there is a racial/ethnic undertone to MAGA's bloodlust.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

My bet is that a majority of Gazans did support Hamas attacking Israel right up to the point Israel retaliated.

 

[BartenderElite]

My bet is that a majority of Gazans did support Hamas attacking Israel right up to the point Israel retaliated.

Based on......?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

What's weird is that MAGA cultists do not believe in collective punishment and military retribution against Russian civilian populations, but they do support collective punishment and mass destruction of Palestian civilians.

It's almost like there is a racial/ethnic undertone to MAGA's bloodlust.

Ukraine has limited means to retaliate against the Russians inside Russia. They have managed a few small-scale attacks including several against Moscow but these are pinpricks compared to what Russia has dumped on Ukraine.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Based on......?

Call it an educated guess at this point.

 

[BartenderElite]

Call it an educated guess at this point.

"Educated" sorta implies that there was some sort of scientific method involved in the conclusion.

So, it should be based on something....no?

 

[Cypress]

Ukraine has limited means to retaliate against the Russians inside Russia. They have managed a few small-scale attacks including several against Moscow but these are pinpricks compared to what Russia has dumped on Ukraine.

Ukraine has developed the capacity to hit Russian civilian populations.

They are capable of hitting Black Sea naval headquarters right in the middle of the city of Sevastopol, and the black Sea fleet shipyards with long range missiles.

Under the retributive justice of an eye for an eye philosophy, Ukraine would be right to hit Russian civilian population centers in a measurable way.

But they are studiously avoiding doing so because mass murderer of civilians is not a strategically sound military strategy

 

[T. A. Gardner]

"Educated" sorta implies that there was some sort of scientific method involved in the conclusion.

So, it should be based on something....no?

It's hard say for certain as it seems nobody knows what the exact numbers are.

Estimates for Hamas in Gaza for combatants run from about 30,000 to 60,000. You can figure 3 to 5 times that in people who sympathize or support them. That would put direct Hamas combatants and their supporters--people who do stuff for Hamas but don't fight--at 90,000 to 300,000. That alone would be about 5 to 15% of the population. Toss in sympathizers who are in favor of Hamas and you are likely looking at 30 to 40% of the population.
Then you have to factor in Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, and other terrorist groups that also have a presence in Gaza. I'd say over all, more than 50% of the population is sympathetic to some terrorist group or another in Gaza with the 5 to 15% being the ones willing to fight or directly support those that are fighting.

 

[BartenderElite]

It's hard say for certain as it seems nobody knows what the exact numbers are.

Estimates for Hamas in Gaza for combatants run from about 30,000 to 60,000. You can figure 3 to 5 times that in people who sympathize or support them. That would put direct Hamas combatants and their supporters--people who do stuff for Hamas but don't fight--at 90,000 to 300,000. That alone would be about 5 to 15% of the population. Toss in sympathizers who are in favor of Hamas and you are likely looking at 30 to 40% of the population.
Then you have to factor in Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, and other terrorist groups that also have a presence in Gaza. I'd say over all, more than 50% of the population is sympathetic to some terrorist group or another in Gaza with the 5 to 15% being the ones willing to fight or directly support those that are fighting.

Wow - that's a whole series of assumptions, just piled on top of each other. And isn't a significant portion of the population children?

I'm really not sure why there is such a stretch in logic being made to create the impression that Gazans are mostly terrorist sympathizers. Should we not be concerned about them or something?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Ukraine has developed the capacity to hit Russian civilian populations.

They are capable of hitting Black Sea naval headquarters right in the middle of the city of Sevastopol, and the black Sea fleet shipyards with long range missiles.

Under the retributive justice of an eye for an eye philosophy, Ukraine would be right to hit Russian civilian population centers in a measurable way.

But they are studiously avoiding doing so because mass murderer of civilians is not a strategically sound military strategy

It can be a sound military strategy, but it usually is a poor political strategy. For Ukraine, they are highly dependent on being funded by other nations. Should they start retaliating on cities and civilians in Russia, funding would likely dry up and they'd lose. They know that, so they avoid hitting civilian targets. For the Russians they are under no such compunction so they conduct mass attacks on cites and civilians because they can.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Wow - that's a whole series of assumptions, just piled on top of each other. And isn't a significant portion of the population children?

I'm really not sure why there is such a stretch in logic being made to create the impression that Gazans are mostly terrorist sympathizers. Should we not be concerned about them or something?

Hamas has zero compunction to not use children as combatants. They do that regularly. Children from about 10 up can easily be part of their support group and even combatants. There's plenty of photographic evidence that's the case.