Canada has an acute SHORTAGE of DOCTORS - staffing crisis expected to get much worse

[Truth Detector]

America has a shortage of doctors. That was deliberate so they could keep wages high and they would have a lot of power. The number of people getting into med school was limited. Then corporate hospitals took their power away and doctors are judged by the profits they make.

Lie, lame and predictably stupid from the most ignorant moron on the planet.

BUT, if Democrats have their way, there will be plenty of check box doctors to operate on morons like you.

 

[Truth Detector]

https://time.com/6199666/physician-shortage-challenges-solutions/


https://www.ama-assn.org/practice-m...re-here-and-they-ll-get-worse-if-we-don-t-act
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ise-in-the-us-as-wait-times-grow/70352744007/
https://www.vox.com/policy/23753724...re-medicare-medicaid-rural-health-care-access
https://www.sgu.edu/blog/medical/us-doctor-shortage/
https://www.boozman.senate.gov/publ...can-help-by-expanding-our-physician-workforce

Of course the doctor shortage is compounded in the US by the nurse shortage
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31479295/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK493175/
https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2...crisis-will-continue-without-concerted-action

More asinine malarky. I never have to wait to see a doctor even being on Medicare.

From the story: the U.S. could see a shortage of 54,100 to 139,000 physicians by 2033

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Looking like an ignorant partisan dumbas is more your speed.

 

[Truth Detector]

I don't know all the ends and outs but I have known a Canadian physician working in the U.S. He makes more here. A lot more.
I also knew a canadian gal at Tulane that went to medical school in Toronto.
She was a genius, the type I would have thought would be a specialist but ended up delivering babies in B.C.
She quit , moved to Australia and helps her husband in medical research now.

That's how Socialist Governments control costs. They make everything more scarce so you have to spend a day in emergency rooms waiting to see someone.

 

[Truth Detector]

FLOL, no you were not aware of the US Dr shortage liar.

If you were aware then you would have said 'and also why the US has a shortage of Dr's as the Gov't took over'.

You created a direct cause and effect equation that 'Dr shortage = Government take over' which means you are ALSO saying that in the US or alternatively you were full of shit in your first statement.

Stuck on LYING moron.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I'm not going to search for your proof ... for you.

Why can't you post the quote and source on the forum.

I provided links to 6 sources that show what you asked for. Rather than reading any of them you seem determined to prove you just want to be willfully ignorant. OK. Got it. You are free to stay stupid.

 

[Nordberg]

That's what happens when the government runs your healthcare programs. They do it inefficiently and that results in both rationing and wage controls on the workers in the system. Those that know they can make more either go into private practice (if allowed) or go to another country and make more.

Are you that uninformed? The nations with universal healthcare have better national health results. They spend far less and get better healthcare that is not a nagging worry like it is here. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly

 

[QP!]

A lot of Americans like Terry take pride in the US paying the most for Healthcare and yet getting some of the poorest results as measured by looking at both ends of the spectrum, infant mortality and life span.


They feel 'BEING #1 SPENDING' is a point a of pride. That being #! IN GENERATING BIG HEALTHCARE PROFITS, is a point of pride.

The Conserva'tard' party has convinced them to celebrate record corporat3e profits, and not care that is done by taking money directly out of their pockets.

Terry sees the below and gets excited.

You would never get people like Terry to want a single thing to be done about the above and they fully support that trajectory and increasing corporate profits.

 

[ExpressLane]

A lot of Americans like Terry take pride in the US paying the most for Healthcare and yet getting some of the poorest results as measured by looking at both ends of the spectrum, infant mortality and life span.


They feel 'BEING #1 SPENDING' is a point a of pride. That being #! IN GENERATING BIG HEALTHCARE PROFITS, is a point of pride.

The Conserva'tard' party has convinced them to celebrate record corporat3e profits, and not care that is done by taking money directly out of their pockets.

Terry sees the below and gets excited.

You would never get people like Terry to want a single thing to be done about the above and they fully support that trajectory and increasing corporate profits.

According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, the average salary in the United States in 2023 is $74,738 per year or $6,228 per month. The gross minimum salary in the USA is $27.77 per hour.

The average net salary in New Zealand is NZD$47,613-\(58,194(approxUSD\)29,987-$36,651) per year. This is equivalent to NZD$3,968-\(4,850permonth(USD\)2,489-$3,042).*

Finland, located in northern Europe, has an average salary of 45,684 EUR/Year, which makes up to 3807 EUR/month. This amounts to about $4,207 USD/Month (50 484 US$, year) according to the exchange rates in April 2023.

I'll take 24 K a year and pay 7k more for medical costs.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

OPPS! Apparently Australia upped their game in 5 years from 35. 05 to 41.1 or do you highly doubt they increased too?

Does it physically hurt to be as stupid as you are?

Australia had to add about 6,000 doctors to go from 35.05 to 41.02 in 5 years or about 1,200 doctors per year.

For the US to go from 25.7 per 10,000 in 2018 to 35.55 in 2020 (2 years) it would have had to add about 158,000 doctors per year in a country that only has 91,000 people in medical school working for an MD and graduated about 20,000 per year from accredited medical schools.
Somehow I don't think that happened like WHO is reporting.

https://www.aamc.org/data-reports/s...22-facts-enrollment-graduates-and-md-phd-data

Based on populations the US would get 17,000 new doctors per year to match Australia. WHO is claiming they got over 10 times that amount in 2 years.

I think the US is more aware of how many doctors it has than WHO is.
https://www.graham-center.org/conte...-reports/reports/PrimaryCareChartbook2021.pdf

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

More asinine malarky. I never have to wait to see a doctor even being on Medicare.

From the story: the U.S. could see a shortage of 54,100 to 139,000 physicians by 2033

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Looking like an ignorant partisan dumbas is more your speed.

I am curious where you live and can make a same day appointment to see a doctor. I doubt that is the way it works in any state in the US.

https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-everywhere-are-waiting-longer-to-see-a-doctor-2022-10?op=1

The average doctor's appointment wait time in 2022 was 26 days, 24% higher than it was in 2004.

 

[Bigdog]

I provided links to 6 sources that show what you asked for. Rather than reading any of them you seem determined to prove you just want to be willfully ignorant. OK. Got it. You are free to stay stupid.

If you have proof, post the quote and source here. So everyone can see it and discuss it. Why are you so afraid to do that?

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

When the Gov't takes over the medical industry, that's what happens.


" Oct 08, 2023 ... Canada has an acute shortage of doctors — a staffing crisis that is expected to get much worse in the years ahead as the number of residency positions on offer fails to keep up with rapid population growth.

Despite those challenges, roughly 1,000 Canadian doctors who went to school abroad are turned away every year because they can't get residency spots in Canada, according to a CBC News review of medical school data. Physicians are required to go through a residency in order to be licensed to practice.

Canadian doctors who want to come home to work are routinely told it's not possible because resources are limited and there are only so many residency positions to go around.

But the medical schools that run residency programs still find room for foreign nationals from countries like Oman, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia — people who frequently have no intention of staying here to work over the long term.

All of this is done with Ottawa's blessing. The federal government has exempted medical schools from immigration laws that require Canadians get priority for a job.

Critics maintain that dismantling the foreign "visa trainee" program — which gives several hundred residency spots to non-Canadians — would free up positions so more homegrown doctors can work here in Canada and help chip away at the physician deficit.

Meet the Canadian-born doctors who can't work in Canada"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fo...cute shortage,up with rapid population growth.

Dude, wake the FUCK UP!

There is a shortage of medical doctors and medical staff in every country in the world!

Fucking hilarious thread!

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Are you that uninformed? The nations with universal healthcare have better national health results. They spend far less and get better healthcare that is not a nagging worry like it is here. https://www.commonwealthfund.org/pu...2021/aug/mirror-mirror-2021-reflecting-poorly

Maybe you should pay closer attention to the studies you post. They have multiple categories on the basis of socialized medicine like 'equality of access,' or 'equity.' These have ZERO to do with the quality-of-care patients receive or patient outcomes in terms of health. In those categories, the US usually ranks in the top 5 and often is first or second. What drags the US score down is that the US doesn't have socialized medicine that these studies are heavily weighted in favor of.

Many other nations do spend less on their healthcare and the results show they get lower quality care. Sure, they may rank first in equality and fairness or some other socialist metric of no relevance to outcomes, but that doesn't change that their quality-of-care sucks.

In the UK for instance, the NHS is the nation's largest employer. Quality of care is hit and miss. It can be anywhere from good to awful and service waits are likewise lengthy usually.

Canada's system is no different. Mexico has socialized healthcare. Nobody in Mexico chooses to use it if they can afford an alternative. Hell, there are people out on main roads that US tourists often use begging for funds to support their socialized healthcare system. Been there, seen that personally.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

A lot of Americans like Terry take pride in the US paying the most for Healthcare and yet getting some of the poorest results as measured by looking at both ends of the spectrum, infant mortality and life span.


They feel 'BEING #1 SPENDING' is a point a of pride. That being #! IN GENERATING BIG HEALTHCARE PROFITS, is a point of pride.

The Conserva'tard' party has convinced them to celebrate record corporat3e profits, and not care that is done by taking money directly out of their pockets.

Terry sees the below and gets excited.

You would never get people like Terry to want a single thing to be done about the above and they fully support that trajectory and increasing corporate profits.

Yes, US healthcare is expensive. That was almost entirely the fault of FDR and his wage and price controls in WW 2 that pushed the US healthcare system into paying via insurance. In categories where insurance isn't paying, US healthcare is far more reasonably priced.

If the US adopted a nationalize healthcare system, it'd look like the VA does today. The overall cost would come down, but the quality of care would follow downward. Overall, the system would soon be one of hit and miss quality, often with absurdly long wait times, an inability to deal with specialist healthcare needs, and overall people who could afford a private alternative would take that choice.

 

[Bigdog]

Yes, US healthcare is expensive. That was almost entirely the fault of FDR and his wage and price controls in WW 2 that pushed the US healthcare system into paying via insurance. In categories where insurance isn't paying, US healthcare is far more reasonably priced.

If the US adopted a nationalize healthcare system, it'd look like the VA does today. The overall cost would come down, but the quality of care would follow downward. Overall, the system would soon be one of hit and miss quality, often with absurdly long wait times, an inability to deal with specialist healthcare needs, and overall people who could afford a private alternative would take that choice.

Interesting!

IMO, corporations should never have been allowed to offer insurance as a fringe benefit. The corporate ability to link employment with insurance trapped a lot of people. .

 

[QP!]

According to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, the average salary in the United States in 2023 is $74,738 per year or $6,228 per month. The gross minimum salary in the USA is $27.77 per hour.

The average net salary in New Zealand is NZD$47,613-\(58,194(approxUSD\)29,987-$36,651) per year. This is equivalent to NZD$3,968-\(4,850permonth(USD\)2,489-$3,042).*

Finland, located in northern Europe, has an average salary of 45,684 EUR/Year, which makes up to 3807 EUR/month. This amounts to about $4,207 USD/Month (50 484 US$, year) according to the exchange rates in April 2023.

I'll take 24 K a year and pay 7k more for medical costs.

Nice logic.


So if a good has a price others can pay $1 for, you are happy as an American paying considerably more for that good simply because you make more?


Do you apply that when doing travel internationally? You are ok with them having one price that is much cheaper for everyone else and another for American's were we pay more and they say 'ya you make more'?

 

[QP!]

Yes, US healthcare is expensive. That was almost entirely the fault of FDR and his wage and price controls in WW 2 that pushed the US healthcare system into paying via insurance. In categories where insurance isn't paying, US healthcare is far more reasonably priced.

If the US adopted a nationalize healthcare system, it'd look like the VA does today. The overall cost would come down, but the quality of care would follow downward. Overall, the system would soon be one of hit and miss quality, often with absurdly long wait times, an inability to deal with specialist healthcare needs, and overall people who could afford a private alternative would take that choice.

Explain to me how simply consolidating the price negotiation for pharmacy items, would decrease health care?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

If you have proof, post the quote and source here. So everyone can see it and discuss it. Why are you so afraid to do that?

Data published in 2020 by the Association of American Medical Colleges estimates that the U.S. could see a shortage of 54,100 to 139,000 physicians by 2033.

https://time.com/6199666/physician-shortage-challenges-solutions/

Specific AAMC projections by 2034 include shortages of:

Between 17,800 and 48,000 primary care physicians .
Between 21,000 and 77,100 non-primary care physicians.

https://www.ama-assn.org/practice-m...re-here-and-they-ll-get-worse-if-we-don-t-act

Though having good access to primary care has traditionally been linked to better health, U.S. investment in that workforce lags behind that of other high-income countries. Today, a smaller percentage of physicians are entering the field than are practicing, suggesting that shortages will worsen over time.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ise-in-the-us-as-wait-times-grow/70352744007/

Groups like the Association of American Medical Colleges continue to project long-term workforce shortages.

https://www.vox.com/policy/23753724...re-medicare-medicaid-rural-health-care-access

According to data from the AAMC, the United States could see an estimated shortage of up to 124,000 physicians across all specialties by 2034.

https://www.sgu.edu/blog/medical/us-doctor-shortage/

The workforce shortage has been increasing since before the COVID-19 pandemic—accelerating at an even more alarming rate thereafter. By 2034, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges, the demand for primary and specialty care physicians will exceed supply by a range of 37,800 to 124,000 physicians.

https://www.boozman.senate.gov/publ...can-help-by-expanding-our-physician-workforce



Of course the doctor shortage is compounded in the US by the nurse shortage
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31479295/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK493175/
https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2...crisis-will-continue-without-concerted-action[/QUOTE]

Why are you so afraid to read what is at the links?

 

[Nordberg]

Maybe you should pay closer attention to the studies you post. They have multiple categories on the basis of socialized medicine like 'equality of access,' or 'equity.' These have ZERO to do with the quality-of-care patients receive or patient outcomes in terms of health. In those categories, the US usually ranks in the top 5 and often is first or second. What drags the US score down is that the US doesn't have socialized medicine that these studies are heavily weighted in favor of.

Many other nations do spend less on their healthcare and the results show they get lower quality care. Sure, they may rank first in equality and fairness or some other socialist metric of no relevance to outcomes, but that doesn't change that their quality-of-care sucks.

In the UK for instance, the NHS is the nation's largest employer. Quality of care is hit and miss. It can be anywhere from good to awful and service waits are likewise lengthy usually.

Canada's system is no different. Mexico has socialized healthcare. Nobody in Mexico chooses to use it if they can afford an alternative. Hell, there are people out on main roads that US tourists often use begging for funds to support their socialized healthcare system. Been there, seen that personally.

Bullshit. On a national scale, if the populace has access to care , the nation saves money. Americans who spend some time abroad quickly laud universal medicine and are happy that huge black clould we have in America was lifted off their heads.
I have lots of Canadian family and at every family gathering I ask if they want to trade their system with us. They laugh as they say "hell no".

 

[QP!]

I want everyone to pay attention to ExpressLanes logic above and how far the right goes to defend corporate profits.

He is arguing that since Americans make more money they SHOULD be charged more for the exact same item compared to other countries. So if a trip to a resort costs other countries X, the Americans should be charged 2x, etc.


That is what is called 'Progressive Pricing'. Make the richer pay more for the same goods, because they can.

So to protect corporate profits right derps support a progressive or more socialist aimed pricing strategy.