There is an extremist movement that does not share the basic beliefs of our democracy

Geeko Sportivo said:
We are not dealing with people that are normal here.

The people that are here defending Trump, and spreading FAKE NEWS and CONSPIRACY THEORIES and out right lies are not even Republicans.

They are TRUMPTARDS! TRUMPTARDS can't win elections, so they are through with that process. It doesn't work for them.

They want someone to lead the Nation like Trump, who is a criminal and will break all the laws and norms, to force their WHITE EVANGELISTIC SUPERIOR agenda on us all. Trump just happens to be their useful idiot, and they are Trump's useful idiots.

TRUMPTARDS are in some very high places right now. Just look at the 15 or so TRUMPTARDS that are so-called the Freedom Caucus, that is basically controlling the House, and allowing our nation to shutdown just to please Donald Trump- Because he is the one that is calling their shots.

Trump has asked the Freedom Caucus to shut down the government, so that the Destruction of our government can begin before he becomes the Dictator.
Trump wants America to fall into total CHAOS as a result of a shutdown.

He wants them to impeach Biden, so that he can say to his TRUMPTARDS, "SEE THERE- BIDEN IS AN IMPEACHED PRESIDENT JUST LIKE ME"!

Trump wants them to keep investigations going on Biden, so that he can say to his TRUMPTARDS- "SEE THERE, BIDEN IS CROOKED JUST LIKE ME"!

Trumptards are sinister and malevolent people who are trying to destroy our Democratic Processes, and governmental bodies, and put a DICTATOR in charge of making every decision in the country.

It is not even certain if the next election will even be a fair election. Since the last election, Trumptards that control the legislative branches (Due to gerrymandering) of just about every state, have imposed new voting suppression laws now, and setting up the people who verify the elections in their state, to throw out any of the precinct districts that come in as a win for the Democrats, at their discretion.

And don't look for the courts to be any help when the lawsuits start coming in. The courts are well stacked now with Trump appointees that were selected for this very reason. Trump appointed 226 judges that cover every Judicial District and Appellate Court in America.

And the Supreme Court including the 3 Judges that Trump appointed, along with the Judges being BRIBED by the Federalist Society, totally dominate that court as well. And we all know how it went the last time the Supreme Court was put in a situation to choose the president they wanted.

So, Trumptards are relying on all of these things to get Donald Trump forced into power. This is why they are so confident now- BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THE 2024 ELECTION IS ALREADY RIGGED IN DONALD TRUMP'S FAVOR!

AND THESE ARE VERY SCARY FACTS! We may have already seen the last of DEMOCRACY in the United States in the 2020 election!

And once the TRUMPTARDS puts their dictator in place- there will be no more elections. We will have lost our government as we know it!

And as Donald Trump lies dying in bed someday, he will just hand the reigns over to his son DON JR.

These are the thoughts floating in the crazy minds of all the TRUMPTARDS across America, including the ones we have to deal with here every day!
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Words have meaning unlike the drivel regurgitated above.

Let me ask you this: Do you think that the President through the executive branch bureaucracy and by executive order (fiat) should be able to control broad sectors of the nation's economy in detail, let alone in sweeping measure?
 
The GOP realized decades ago that both demographic shift and the aged population dying out and the voting age getting younger meant that the GOP would have to evolve and change with the population or the party would never be able to win.

There was discussions instead by the hard core racists of implementing versions of the Southern Strategy, by instead further shrinking the party but around a hard core, racist base, but most realized that would eventually be the death of the party.

BUt still the idea of trying to appeal to Latino's, Blacks and young people was just not something most racist, xenophobic, sexist republicans could stomach, so they turned to a version of the Southern Strategy anyway with Trump. Which was why LIndsey said 'if we go with Trump we will destroy the party and deserve it'.

Trumps version of the Southern Strategy requires they destroy American democracy so they can establish minority rule under a tyrant King because they know if they ever allow a fair vote after they will be done.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's not an oligarchy that threatens freedom in the US today, it's an autocratic bureaucracy. When the President can, through bureaucrats control the nation's economic policies in detail you have statist capitalism going on. That is fascist down to its roots. When the President through executive orders and using bureaucrats can alter law, impose what amounts to a secret police state on citizens and political opposition, you are looking at a fascist autocracy.

When you have elections in which voting is done in secret lasting as much as a month, where political operatives get to collect and handle ballots, where anyone can vote regardless of actual requirements, where voters need not even identify themselves, you are looking at a fascist autocracy. That is, a self-perpetuating state ruled by an entrenched elite. Not quite a dictatorship, but damn close. All that autocracy needs to become completely self-perpetuating is to remove the last barriers and political opposition to it by doing things like vilifying the opposition and treating them as criminals. By taking control of elections and announcing the results without the confidence of the public because the entrenched powers know anyone who defies them will be erased from society.

All of that is happening today to one extent or another, and it's all Democrat run.
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As I see it, we're ultimately in agreement with one other. You're just coming up with a special name to specify precisely how the Oligarchy is operating/ruling. You're still, in essence, describing an Oligarchy.

I do agree with your description of what is happening to this once great nation. It's unfortunate.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, I think it was a typical violent riot that lasted three-hours. It changed NOTHING. Riots rarely do.
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Typical violent riots don’t get presidents impeached or others convicted of sedition.

Speaking of sedition, when WAS the last time anyone in this country was convicted of that charge? There were 3 Trump followers, right?
 
gfm7175 said:
As I see it, we're ultimately in agreement with one other. You're just coming up with a special name to specify precisely how the Oligarchy is operating/ruling. You're still, in essence, describing an Oligarchy.

I do agree with your description of what is happening to this once great nation. It's unfortunate.
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An Oligarchy is what N. Korea has. Cuba has one in the Castros. When the US had "robber barons" there was a subset of oligarchs in the nation. They even tried to buy the Presidency on a couple of occasions.

What we have today is different. We now have an autocracy of sorts where the president has massive, if not absolute, power, coupled to a self-perpetuating bureaucracy. Congress is becoming more and more, little more than a debating society while the president and the bureaucracy run the country in detail.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Words have meaning unlike the drivel regurgitated above.

Let me ask you this: Do you think that the President through the executive branch bureaucracy and by executive order (fiat) should be able to control broad sectors of the nation's economy in detail, let alone in sweeping measure?
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I really do not like XO's, and I believe they should only be used when it is an emergency, and when we have idiots controlling the House!

Why do you ask, what are you aiming at? JUST SAY IT AND STOP BEATING AROUND IN THE BUSHES!

And congrats to you Arizona Cardinal fans- they taught my Cowboys a very valuable lesson last Sunday.

You guys have a great team AND HEAD COACH this year! Good luck! Perhaps they will meetup again in the playoffs!
 
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domer76 said:
Typical violent riots don’t get presidents impeached or others convicted of sedition.

Speaking of sedition, when WAS the last time anyone in this country was convicted of that charge? There were 3 Trump followers, right?
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Typical riots don't see the people involved persecuted for their politics in detail either. How many Jan 6 rioters who ended up being convicted of nothing more than a misdemeanor or two spent months in prison without being allowed to post bail?

In fact, the prosecutors made a special point that holding Jan 6 rioters without bond was as much a tactic to get them to take a plea deal and prevent their being able to continue political activity while held as it was for any valid reason usually held for no bail, like danger to the community or a history of violent crimes.

Prosecutors also withheld evidence and put roadblocks up to prevent client-attorney meetings. All of that tracks with my claim about a bureaucratic autocracy being in place.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Typical riots don't see the people involved persecuted for their politics in detail either. How many Jan 6 rioters who ended up being convicted of nothing more than a misdemeanor or two spent months in prison without being allowed to post bail?

In fact, the prosecutors made a special point that holding Jan 6 rioters without bond was as much a tactic to get them to take a plea deal and prevent their being able to continue political activity while held as it was for any valid reason usually held for no bail, like danger to the community or a history of violent crimes.

Prosecutors also withheld evidence and put roadblocks up to prevent client-attorney meetings. All of that tracks with my claim about a bureaucratic autocracy being in place.
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Do you believe they had a right to break into the Capitol building?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Typical riots don't see the people involved persecuted for their politics in detail either. How many Jan 6 rioters who ended up being convicted of nothing more than a misdemeanor or two spent months in prison without being allowed to post bail?

In fact, the prosecutors made a special point that holding Jan 6 rioters without bond was as much a tactic to get them to take a plea deal and prevent their being able to continue political activity while held as it was for any valid reason usually held for no bail, like danger to the community or a history of violent crimes.

Prosecutors also withheld evidence and put roadblocks up to prevent client-attorney meetings. All of that tracks with my claim about a bureaucratic autocracy being in place.
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Quite a few got misdemeanors. Quite a few got felonies. One got impeached. And, additional felonies await trial.

But you avoid the question. How many riots happen where people are convicted for sedition? I’ll wait for that answer.

As for political persecution? BULLSHIT. And, since we’ve figured that part of your post is bullshit, I’ll go with that for the rest of your post.
 
Geeko Sportivo said:
I really do not like XO's, and I believe they should only be used when it is an emergency, and when we have idiots controlling the House!

Why do you ask, what are you aiming at? JUST SAY IT AND STOP BEATING AROUND IN THE BUSHES!

And congrats to you Arizona Cardinal fans- they taught my Cowboys a very valuable lesson last Sunday.

You guys have a great team AND HEAD COACH this year! Good luck! Perhaps they will meetup again in the playoffs!
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Okay, then this: Should the federal bureaucracy and president control the nation's energy sector? What about the healthcare sector? Transportation sector? How about deciding what kind of motor vehicles can be produced?
Should the federal bureaucracy and president have detailed control over the economy like they do?

I don't follow football, and the Cardinal's stadium looks either like a giant UFO flying saucer or if the outer edge were painted black, like a giant flat tire lying in the desert...
 
BidenPresident said:
Do you believe they had a right to break into the Capitol building?
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Biden Issues a Blistering Attack on Trump

President Biden issued a broad and blistering attack against former President Donald J. Trump on Thursday, accusing his predecessor and would-be successor of inciting violence, seeking unfettered power and plotting to undermine the Constitution if he returns to office in next year’s elections.

In his most direct condemnation of his leading Republican challenger in many months, Mr. Biden portrayed Mr. Trump as a budding autocrat with no fidelity to the tenets of American democracy and who is motivated by hatred and a desire for retribution. While he usually avoids referring to Mr. Trump by name, Mr. Biden this time held nothing back as he offered a dire warning about the consequences of a new Trump term.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/28/us/politics/biden-mccain-library.html
 
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The building was closed, you lying douchebag.
 
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