There is an extremist movement that does not share the basic beliefs of our democracy

What's even crazier is that Trump does not care about governing. It's just his ego - he can't handle losing.

He tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power because of ego. And his supporters were all in.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Okay, then this: Should the federal bureaucracy and president control the nation's energy sector? What about the healthcare sector? Transportation sector? How about deciding what kind of motor vehicles can be produced?
Should the federal bureaucracy and president have detailed control over the economy like they do?

I don't follow football, and the Cardinal's stadium looks either like a giant UFO flying saucer or if the outer edge were painted black, like a giant flat tire lying in the desert...
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Yes I know TA, Politics is your sport. But yes, I would ask for a refund on that shell they wrapped around that stadium.

Should a president control the Energy sector- NO! Not unless it is during an energy crisis. And no, a president has to work with the energy MAGNATES that actually controls the sector. Biden has asked them to step up production, and they did, well not all the way- they still have not stepped up Diesel production, and that is hurting our economy still.

Should a president control the Healthcare sector? NO! But a president can certainly help by insuring Americans are not getting screwed paying 10 or 20 times for the same drugs that other countries are paying for the very same drugs! He just signed a Bill to help that out. And a president can also help during pandemics by making sure there are enough vaccinations to go around during a pandemic. And presidents can also help by creating healthcare plans where everyone who wants healthcare insurance are able to obtain it.

Deciding what kind of automobiles are produced! NO! Presidents can help out by bailing out the auto manufactures when they fail, with loans they have to repay as they recover. And presidents can also provide incentives for building cars of the future, and buying cars of the future.

Transportation sector? I don't think presidents try to control that. But they can be a huge help by signing Infrastructure Bills that help by investing into the modernizing of our highways systems, railroads, Bridges, airports, proposing and initiating safety into the transportation systems, that keep the public safe. The Public safety is the presidents first priority in keeping Americans safe!

Biden has addressed all of these matters- mostly though his trillion dollar Infrastructure Bill that passed with Bipartisan support!

Next!
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
Yes I know TA, Politics is your sport. But yes, I would ask for a refund on that shell they wrapped around that stadium.

Should a president control the Energy sector- NO! Not unless it is during an energy crisis. And no, a president has to work with the energy MAGNATES that actually controls the sector. Biden has asked them to step up production, and they did, well not all the way- they still have not stepped up Diesel production, and that is hurting our economy still.

Should a president control the Healthcare sector? NO! But a president can certainly help by insuring Americans are not getting screwed paying 10 or 20 times for the same drugs that other countries are paying for the very same drugs! He just signed a Bill to help that out. And a president can also help during pandemics by making sure there are enough vaccinations to go around during a pandemic. And presidents can also help by creating healthcare plans where everyone who wants healthcare insurance are able to obtain it.

Deciding what kind of automobiles are produced! NO! Presidents can help out by bailing out the auto manufactures when they fail, with loans they have to repay as they recover. And presidents can also provide incentives for building cars of the future, and buying cars of the future.

Transportation sector? I don't think presidents try to control that. But they can be a huge help by signing Infrastructure Bills that help by investing into the modernizing of our highways systems, railroads, Bridges, airports, proposing and initiating safety into the transportation systems, that keep the public safe. The Public safety is the presidents first priority in keeping Americans safe!

Biden has addressed all of these matters!

Next!
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So, your answer in a nutshell is No the President should not control the economy except when he should because I think it will benefit me...
 
BidenPresident said:
Hitler wanted political power. So does everyone who runs for public office.
I imagine there are narcissistic accountants. Does not mean they want to take over the government with violence.
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It's kind of a side debate, and we don't have to agree on it. But I think every single thing Trump does is to feed his ego. He's a pure, pure narcissist. Trump is only about Trump, ever.

His desire to return to power and be a dictator has little to do w/ the workings of government, or a desire to create a certain kind of government or rule. It's just ego.

Just my take.
 
BartenderElite said:
It's kind of a side debate, and we don't have to agree on it. But I think every single thing Trump does is to feed his ego. He's a pure, pure narcissist. Trump is only about Trump, ever.

His desire to return to power and be a dictator has little to do w/ the workings of government, or a desire to create a certain kind of government or rule. It's just ego.

Just my take.
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And my response is that there are lots of egotists who have no interest in taking over the government. So that in itself does not explain Trump.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
So, your answer in a nutshell is No the President should not control the economy except when he should because I think it will benefit me...
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I don't just think of myself Sir!

I think of others, like my son, who we are having to pay $850 a month for 30 little white pills, that are the only thing that is keeping him alive today!

And all others like him!

If all you are worried about is having to pay $2.70 a gallon for gas- or $4.99 a lb. for your hamburger meat- consider yourself lucky!

So you do not know me Sir!
 
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Geeko Sportivo said:
I don't just think of myself Sir!

I think of others, like my son, who we are having to pay $850 a month for 30 little white pills, that are the only thing that is keeping him alive today!

And all others like him!
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That just says you accept that the government is the be-all, end-all of getting those prices down. FDR fucked up our healthcare system by forcing it onto insurance plans for routine care back in the 40's. That insanity has accelerated ever since.
Just because it's "always been done that way" doesn't mean it should be done that way.

If all you are worried about is having to pay $2.70 a gallon for gas- or $4.99 a lb. for your hamburger meat- consider yourself lucky!

So you do not know me Sir!
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What I'm worried about is the government today reducing oil and gas production and next week telling you you MUST drive an electric car, and then a year later saying you MUST stop using so much electricity because... and a year later forcing the installation of "smart" electric meters that allow the government to shut off your electricity at will.

Same thing on medical stuff. The government takes control and rationing follows because for bureaucrats it's the simplest path to control expenses.

I know you quite well. You are a self-absorbed narcissist interested in nothing beyond the present. You are the frog in the pan of water as the heat gets turned up boiling you to death.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No different there than other times before such as the Gore v. Bush election and Florida vote count... Trump has just been more virulent in his claims than others.
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I just watched a couple of clips from the Clinton/Trump debates prior to the 2016 election. When asked if he lost would he would accept the results of the election and agree to the peaceful transfer of power, he declined to agree. The answer was ‘we’ll see’.

So, his tactics go much farther back than just this election. It’s his MO.
 
domer76 said:
I just watched a couple of clips from the Clinton/Trump debates prior to the 2016 election. When asked if he lost would he would accept the results of the election and agree to the peaceful transfer of power, he declined to agree. The answer was ‘we’ll see’.

So, his tactics go much farther back than just this election. It’s his MO.
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Right. Trump is always obvious about his intentions and states them openly.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That just says you accept that the government is the be-all, end-all of getting those prices down. FDR fucked up our healthcare system by forcing it onto insurance plans for routine care back in the 40's. That insanity has accelerated ever since.
Just because it's "always been done that way" doesn't mean it should be done that way.

What I'm worried about is the government today reducing oil and gas production and next week telling you you MUST drive an electric car, and then a year later saying you MUST stop using so much electricity because... and a year later forcing the installation of "smart" electric meters that allow the government to shut off your electricity at will.

Same thing on medical stuff. The government takes control and rationing follows because for bureaucrats it's the simplest path to control expenses.

I know you quite well. You are a self-absorbed narcissist interested in nothing beyond the present. You are the frog in the pan of water as the heat gets turned up boiling you to death.
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I hope you are not confusing me for some progressive Democrat, because I would probably surprise you there.

Man, if you don't think I am just concerned as you are, about mortgaging our children's children's children with all of our debt, THINK AGAIN!

I am one of the few remaining Texas Conservative Democrats that goes all the way back to the origins of the State of Texas and lasted for over 150 years.

When all of the Conservative Democrats changed parties in 1980 just to vote for Ronald Reagan, I stuck to my guns. I did not follow them, and I do not regret it to this day. And my parents remained Democrats till the day they died, as well.

And I will also say this, as long as the Democrats keep selecting Fiscally Responsible Centrists like the Clintons, Obamas, and Bidens, I have had no regrets.

Any further left than that, and I will probably just stop voting.

I do listen to the wish lists of the progressives, after all, they put their trust in Democrats and vote for them, but I do not share their same desires and political ideologies. AND NEITHER DOES OUR PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN. Money does not grow on trees, and I paid my fair share of taxes and SS for over 51 years. Still do when I am actively running my Retirement businesses, but I had to put them on hold when my mom got sick and the world shut down with the pandemic. And haven't been able to start them back up again now that my son has developed Heart Failure and can't work, just since my Mom passed away.

I know how you feel about every one of your concerns, as I share a lot of them.

But, Donald Trump is not the answer my friend. And I know you know that as well as me.

SO back at you on that! What are you going to do about the Donald Trump debacle and how are you going to help your party survive it?

We've both said enough about me, let's talk about you now!
 
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domer76 said:
I just watched a couple of clips from the Clinton/Trump debates prior to the 2016 election. When asked if he lost would he would accept the results of the election and agree to the peaceful transfer of power, he declined to agree. The answer was ‘we’ll see’.

So, his tactics go much farther back than just this election. It’s his MO.
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I agree with this insomuch as Trump is a shitty, pouting, loser. His losing at anything is like a child throwing a temper tantrum. That said, he isn't some maniacal whatabe dictator. As shitty as his attitude towards losing is, he grudgingly accepts it even if he won't admit it.
 
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