Why China and Russia can not match USS Gerald R. Ford

Hawkeye10 said:
I have seen multiple reliable reports that Milley was just in the last few weeks at the WH claiming to speak for a Pentagon consensus "Dont get into a war with Russia and/or China...we would lose".
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don't trust Miley.......or people who have already surrendered to China, like yourself.....
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I have seen multiple reliable reports that Milley was just in the last few weeks at the WH claiming to speak for a Pentagon consensus "Dont get into a war with Russia and/or China...we would lose".
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Would you post a single on of those reports, you lying cunt?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The people I listen to say generally that America's Generals still think they are fighting WW2, that their brains have not updated, and that when we try to use aircraft carriers against a peer we will learn very quickly that this is outdated tech just as traumatically as we learned that battleships were over.

They are going to be nearly useless, and they wont survive long.

That's going to be a lot of dead people.
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Well if that were true then why is China intent on building more?

Chinese Carrier Aircraft Fleet Is Poised For Rapid Growth

China’s third aircraft carrier, the Fujian, is just about complete. It has tested its machinery in harbor and is due to go to sea this year. Successful sea trials would then reportedly clear the way for construction of a fourth aircraft carrier, presumably a sibling to the Fujian. A fifth may not be far behind.

China’s carrier-capable aircraft fleet is set to expand more than proportionally, with shipborne fighter numbers quadrupling over the coming decade, according to an Aviation Week assessment led by Senior Military Defense Analyst Matt Jouppi (see chart).

Shipboard fighter force will quadruple by 2033
Third aircraft carrier is almost ready for sea trials
Multiple aircraft types will add complexity for the carrier organization
As with other Chinese military aviation services, however, the carrier force will likely suffer from complexity, with many aircraft types and versions. There will also be at least two ship classes.

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In 2020, the U.S. Navy forecast that the Chinese aircraft carrier fleet would reach five ships by 2030 and six by 2040. That forecast was evidently still current in 2022, because the U.S. Navy passed it on to the U.S. Congressional Research Service for a report published that year.

Three of the 2030 ships have been built: the Liaoning and Shandong, which are half-siblings each equipped to launch aircraft from a ski jump, and the Fujian, which uses electromagnetic catapults. All three are propelled by steam turbines fed by oil-fired boilers.

Aviation Week’s estimate of Chinese aircraft numbers presumes the fourth ship will be a sibling of the Fujian and the fifth will be the first of a nuclear-propelled class.

So far there is no sign of the fourth ship being under construction. Hong Kong’s South China Morning Post last year quoted a source close to the military as saying construction would not begin until the Fujian had run sea trials—a plausible precaution, especially since the navy will want to verify catapult performance.

State media have reported progress in testing the Fujian and the plan to begin sea trials this year.

The Fujian has taken at least six years to build, but the Shandong needed only 4.5 years—though it was not commissioned until another 1.6 years had passed. So getting the fleet of completed ships, not necessarily commissioned, to five by 2030 seems possible if fabrication of the fourth and fifth ships begins not much later than next year. Conceivably, Dalian Shipbuilding, the yard in northeastern China that built the Liaoning and Shandong, could construct one of the next two carriers while Fujian’s builder, the Shanghai Jiangnan yard, builds the other.

https://aviationweek.com/defense-sp...se-carrier-aircraft-fleet-poised-rapid-growth
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The people I listen to say generally that America's Generals still think they are fighting WW2, that their brains have not updated, and that when we try to use aircraft carriers against a peer we will learn very quickly that this is outdated tech just as traumatically as we learned that battleships were over.

They are going to be nearly useless, and they wont survive long.

That's going to be a lot of dead people.
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Our aircraft carriers have been very successful at their mission of delivering air power. :dunno:

What peer?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The people I listen to say generally that America's Generals still think they are fighting WW2, that their brains have not updated, and that when we try to use aircraft carriers against a peer we will learn very quickly that this is outdated tech just as traumatically as we learned that battleships were over.

They are going to be nearly useless, and they wont survive long.

That's going to be a lot of dead people.
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Unfortunately...that is dead on, Hawk.

At some point, a single weapon will be able to destroy any carrier...and the entirety of its security group.

The Navy is stuck in the past.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Unfortunately...that is dead on, Hawk.

At some point, a single weapon will be able to destroy any carrier...and the entirety of its security group.

The Navy is stuck in the past.
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Ukraine shows how the nature of war has changed, and how incompetent our Generals are. If we go to war with Russia and/or China we are going to get our asses kicked, and yet our leaders as always keep driving for war.

This is going to be if it happens a great lesson in how stupid hurts.
 
Bigdog said:
Our aircraft carriers have been very successful at their mission of delivering air power. :dunno:

What peer?
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Very good point. The USA carrier fleet is without peer. It cannot solve all military problems, but it is without peer.
 
FEB 2023
"The reliability of CVN 78 catapults, arresting gear, and jet blast deflectors (JBDs) continues to have an adverse effect on sortie generation and flight operations efficiency," noted DOT&E in an annual report released in mid-January. "The ongoing reliability problems with these critical subsystems remains the primary risk to the successful completion of CVN 78 [initial operational testing and evaluation]."

These launch and recovery systems are at the core of Ford's capabilities. The Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) was designed to be an ultra-reliable replacement for the steam catapult, the Navy's proven system for sending fully-loaded fighter aircraft aloft. However, EMALS' reliability numbers are running "well below" expectations: in testing in March-June 2022, Ford's catapults achieved about 600 cycles between failures, a fraction of the 4,000-plus cycle design goal. The reliability numbers were even lower during another test round in September, the agency reported.

The carrier's Advanced Arresting Gear (AAG) has similar challenges. The AAG is supposed to cycle 16,500 times between failures, but in recent testing it has broken down after roughly 450 cycles.

The carrier also experienced problems with its jet blast deflectors, the deck panels that are raised to protect other aircraft during a launch. On Ford, the deflectors are electromechanically actuated, and the actuators have repeatedly broken down in service. During a carrier qualification trial in August, all four broke down, forcing the ship to return to port for repairs. Corroded fasteners caused the failures, according to DOT&E, and the problem is being addressed.
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https://maritime-executive.com/arti...is supposed to,other aircraft during a launch.

I was also reading that due to a design failure all of that cats must be taken offline to fix one, which is beyond moronic. There was to be an attempt to figure out a way to fix it but as of last year no one was very sure that it can be done.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The people I listen to say generally that America's Generals still think they are fighting WW2, that their brains have not updated, and that when we try to use aircraft carriers against a peer we will learn very quickly that this is outdated tech just as traumatically as we learned that battleships were over.

They are going to be nearly useless, and they wont survive long.

That's going to be a lot of dead people.
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This from the guy who trashes the F35 because it isn't meant for dog fighting.

Advanced technology is the war of the future. This carrier and advance weapons platforms are the key to military dominance.

Of course Biden keeps selling our military technology to his mentors in China.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
This from the guy who trashes the F35 because it isn't meant for dog fighting.

Advanced technology is the war of the future. This carrier and advance weapons platforms are the key to military dominance.

Of course Biden keeps selling our military technology to his mentors in China.
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The problem with the f-35 is that very often it cant fly, and when it does fly it does not work very well....it is a super expensive piece of shit.

And that is before China Bloc removes its data links.
 
When the f-35 was designed it was unimaginable that our enemies could remove our satellites which provide the data links. Now we know that China Bloc can both blind and destroy our satellites. Starlink is the emergency back up plan, which Musk insists is unblockable, but there have been multiple reports that China/Russia et al think they have the solution. If so the f-35 is all the way useless, it wont be able to have any effect on the battlefield.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
The problem with the f-35 is that very often it cant fly, and when it does fly it does not work very well....it is a super expensive piece of shit.

And that is before China Bloc removes its data links.
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The one that "vanished" last week was clearly so that China could spend a few hours learning all it's secrets. Biden paying for his position again.
 
Dont think that other nations buying the f-35 means anything...they are told that if they dont it will be seen as a betrayal of America and they will be hacked off at the knees....so they buy them and pretend that they work as ordered.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
The one that "vanished" last week was clearly so that China could spend a few hours learning all it's secrets. Biden paying for his position again.
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We still have been not told what happened, which almost certainly means that China Bloc hacked it....something that was not supposed to be possible.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
A lot of people think that carriers are obsolete.
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There are competent people who think carriers might become obsolete in the future, but are not certain, and not currently obsolete.

The world's regional superpowers are building carriers because they think there might be a future in them. Everyone knows that might not work out as planned, but it is too risky not to do it.
 
Walt said:
Very good point. The USA carrier fleet is without peer. It cannot solve all military problems, but it is without peer.
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Thanks, Walt. And anyone that wipes out one of our carrier fleets will get the shit nuked out of them by our Boomers.
 
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