Range anxiety is becoming a thing of the past as electric vehicle technology advances

[Into the Night]

The average American drives under 20 miles a day. The charging time is minutes If you are driving more than 120 miles a day, an EV is not for you. 120 there ,120 back uses up the whole charge. If you cannot recharge at lunch, then you might have range anxiety.

So you are constantly worried about charging the damn car, even though you drive it less than 20 miles a day. Hilarious!

 

[Into the Night]

Well eventually, the highways will charge your car as you drive.

Electrified Roads Power Your EV While You Drive, Making Charging Pit-Stops a Thing of the Past
https://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/a40313108/electrified-road-charges-your-ev-on-the-go/

Problem solved.

Won't happen. Too difficult and expensive to build and maintain, and produces an unsafe road surface.

 

[TOP]

IF you own the home, and IF you have a garage, and IF the electrical panel is somewhere either in the garage or nearby, and IF the electrical loads at the service entrance allow the extra load, then you can expect to spend about $2750 for an electrician to install the service (including the charger itself and the permitting required).

If you do not own a home, you are SOL.
If you do not have a garage, you are SOL.
If the electrical panel is far away, costs go up (with the possible requirement of cost of trenching and underground wiring to be installed).

The monthly costs for an EV must include the higher maintenance costs (EVs require specially equipped shops to be maintained...essentially everything is a dealer repair and maintenance!), and the higher insurance costs (EVs are easily totaled in any kind of accident since all it takes is for ONE single cell to be damaged and you have to replace the entire 2000lb battery pack), the constant worry of charging the damn car, and of course, the cost of garaging the car where it can be charged, and the prevailing electrical rates. You can also look forward to additional taxes being levied on EVs since they don't pay road taxes at the pump like gasoline cars do. You should probably amortize the higher price of the car as part of those monthly expenses as well, just like you would for a gasoline car. After all, most people either lease the car or purchase a car using a loan. That's also a monthly expense.

I won't have to worry...no desire or plan to buy one when the time comes...Thanks for the info...sounds as though I've made the right decision...

 

[serendipity]

Efficiency of battery???

Li-ion cells have a HIGHER internal resistance then a lead-acid cell.

ALL rechargeable cells have a common problem: electrode distortion.

Recharging a battery is essentially an electroplating process. How the material is deposited on that electrode is going to be different then the way the electrode was originally machined. Ions are kinda dumb, ya know. They don't know or care what the electrode originally looked like.

Enough distortion and the cell won't charge anymore.

NiCad batteries had a big problem with distortion, which is why they tended to die after awhile and wouldn't hold a charge.

Lead acid cells have an additional problem if allowed to discharge through their internal resistance and to sit for a while...sulfating. Lead sulfate builds up in the bottom of the battery box over time. When it touches plates, they won't hold a charge anymore. You can actually rejuvenate a lead-acid battery by dumping out the electrolyte, washing out the lead sulfate, and filling with fresh electrolyte, then putting the initial charge on it again. The distortion in the plates as still occurred so it won't last as long, but it does extend the life of said battery.

Ni-Fe cells are heavy, just like NiCad, but they don't suffer electrode distortion quite as fast, and they have a lower internal resistance.

Chemically, all batteries are the same. All are based on dissimilar metals and an electrolyte, even the lead-acid battery (the dissimilar metal is a lead oxide coated plate, and a just a regular lead plate, producing a potential of 2.6v). These lead-acid batteries are normally charged at a voltage of 3.1v.

You should be aware that voltage is not joules. Battery capacity is measured in joules. You might be more familiar with watts. One joule is one watt per second. Watt-hours are really just joules. One watt-hour is 3600 joules.
Batteries often have an amp-hour rating. This is kinda fake. Amps mean nothing without voltage to drive the current. What is really being described here is watt-hours, or joules.

Voltage is just like pressure in a pipe. Current is just that...the flow in the pipe. The power such a flow can do requires both the pressure and the flow. Yes...Ohm's law works for pipes. Even resistance is there (the friction in the pipe).

Voltage (pressure) and no flow is no work. If the battery had infinite internal resistance, it would never discharge. Of course, all electrical and electronic components are combinations of resistance, inductance, and capacitance. Even a wire, which is why you have to meet certain wire sizes depending on length of run and the current flowing on it, and why you have to use a conduit larger than the wires inside it to allow them to cool.

A battery is no different.

Flow batteries are the future!

Abstract
Generation units based on renewable energy technologies such as solar, wind, hydro, biomass, etc., have rapidly penetrated into the electrical grid. Today, they constitute a significant percentage of the installed generation capacity and are considered to be an important energy storage option for future generation systems. However, the intermittent and fluctuating nature of renewable generation has led to concerns regarding the stability of an electric grid that derives a large fraction of its energy from these sources and the costs associated with integrating renewables at a large scale into an existing grid. Energy storage technologies offer a possible alternative to overcome some of these challenges by balancing the instantaneous mismatch in supply and demand in the electric grid effectively and thereby improving the system performance. The chapter is intended to offer a broad insight into different electrical energy storage technologies, their applications, challenges to widespread deployment, and future trends and outlooks.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topic... battery is one,a low internal discharge rate.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Electric vehicles are growing so fast that Exxon Mobil is preparing for a future when 'customers don’t need that gasoline'

Exxon Mobil Corp., which operates one of the world’s biggest oil-refining networks, is trying to be more responsive to changing consumer demands as the energy transition gathers pace. The changes it’s considering include potentially replacing some gasoline production with chemicals.
The oil giant has long pursued a strategy of upgrading refineries to expand production and make higher-value products from crude oil such as lubricants and plastic feedstock. But it now sees those projects potentially helping the company to move away from traditional fuels, demand for which is likely to wane in coming decades.
The strategy, discussed by this week by executives at a presentation to investors and media, shows how even Exxon, one of the leading proponents of fossil fuels, is being forced to reckon with a future in which electric vehicles significantly eat into gasoline consumption.
Exxon has already reduced production of fuel oil and high-sulfur petroleum at refineries in Singapore and the UK. Over time, it’s open to cutting output of gasoline, the focus of the company’s refining business since Henry Ford introduced the Model T nearly 100 years ago. The goal is to produce more chemicals, found in everything from paint to plastic, for which there are few low-carbon alternatives.
“We’re planning on modifying some of that yield from gasoline to distillate and chemicals feed,” Jack Williams, Exxon senior vice president, said Wednesday at the company’s office in Spring, Texas. “We’ve got projects that we know we would do to take those steps.”

 

[Lionfish]

Electric vehicles are growing so fast that Exxon Mobil is preparing for a future when 'customers don’t need that gasoline'

Exxon Mobil Corp., which operates one of the world’s biggest oil-refining networks, is trying to be more responsive to changing consumer demands as the energy transition gathers pace. The changes it’s considering include potentially replacing some gasoline production with chemicals.
The oil giant has long pursued a strategy of upgrading refineries to expand production and make higher-value products from crude oil such as lubricants and plastic feedstock. But it now sees those projects potentially helping the company to move away from traditional fuels, demand for which is likely to wane in coming decades.
The strategy, discussed by this week by executives at a presentation to investors and media, shows how even Exxon, one of the leading proponents of fossil fuels, is being forced to reckon with a future in which electric vehicles significantly eat into gasoline consumption.
Exxon has already reduced production of fuel oil and high-sulfur petroleum at refineries in Singapore and the UK. Over time, it’s open to cutting output of gasoline, the focus of the company’s refining business since Henry Ford introduced the Model T nearly 100 years ago. The goal is to produce more chemicals, found in everything from paint to plastic, for which there are few low-carbon alternatives.
“We’re planning on modifying some of that yield from gasoline to distillate and chemicals feed,” Jack Williams, Exxon senior vice president, said Wednesday at the company’s office in Spring, Texas. “We’ve got projects that we know we would do to take those steps.”

Sell your shit to the obama's
Joey wets panties

Sasha Obama shows off her stomach in a figure-hugging crop top and low-slung baggy jeans as she fills up her car with gas in Los Angeles

 

[Joe Capitalist]

In research published by Nature Communications, a study led by Dr. Xuekun Lu of Queen Mary University of London found a way to prevent lithium plating, which occurs during the rapid charging of the lithium-ion batteries used in electric vehicles.**

“This is a significant breakthrough that could have a major impact on the future of electric vehicles,” Lu said in a statement.*
Lu and a team of scientists from the United Kingdom and the United States found that lithium plating can be mitigated by improving the microstructure of the graphite negative electrode.*
In addition to allowing for faster charging times, it’s said the findings could improve the energy density of batteries, allowing electric cars to travel a greater distance on a single charge.*
According to the World Economic Forum, one of the biggest factors that hinders EV purchases is concerns about driving range — sometimes referred to as range anxiety.*
Citing data from a survey by EY, a professional services company, the World Economic Forum noted around a third of drivers worldwide are concerned about driving long distances in an electric vehicle.*
However, improved charging times and increased energy storage capacity could be achieved by minimizing the possibility of lithium plating.
Greater access to electric charging points will further help optimism about the capabilities of EVs. In the U.S., the government has announced the intention to create a national network of 500,000 electric vehicle chargers nationwide.*
In all, this is great news for the future takeup and performance of electric cars. EVs produce zero tailpipe pollution, making them much kinder to the environment than dirty-fuel alternatives, as they have no impact on air quality when out on the road.*

 

[ExpressLane]

The average EV on a full charge has 66% the range of an average ICE car with a 100% full tank. Then 80% of that range if they are "fast" charged so they then have 52% the range of an average ICE car with a full tank. And a 25 min "fast" charge takes you 3 times as long as an average 8 minutes to 100% fill up and ICE car which gets them almost twice as far. That is even if you find a place to get that 80% fast charge. And that is a good thing??? And now we have to worry about lithium plating too???

 

[Into the Night]

Flow batteries are the future!

Abstract
Generation units based on renewable energy technologies such as solar, wind, hydro, biomass, etc., have rapidly penetrated into the electrical grid. Today, they constitute a significant percentage of the installed generation capacity and are considered to be an important energy storage option for future generation systems. However, the intermittent and fluctuating nature of renewable generation has led to concerns regarding the stability of an electric grid that derives a large fraction of its energy from these sources and the costs associated with integrating renewables at a large scale into an existing grid. Energy storage technologies offer a possible alternative to overcome some of these challenges by balancing the instantaneous mismatch in supply and demand in the electric grid effectively and thereby improving the system performance. The chapter is intended to offer a broad insight into different electrical energy storage technologies, their applications, challenges to widespread deployment, and future trends and outlooks.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topic... battery is one,a low internal discharge rate.

Just a battery with a tank and pumps.

 

[Into the Night]

Electric vehicles are growing so fast that Exxon Mobil is preparing for a future when 'customers don’t need that gasoline'

Exxon Mobil Corp., which operates one of the world’s biggest oil-refining networks, is trying to be more responsive to changing consumer demands as the energy transition gathers pace. The changes it’s considering include potentially replacing some gasoline production with chemicals.
The oil giant has long pursued a strategy of upgrading refineries to expand production and make higher-value products from crude oil such as lubricants and plastic feedstock. But it now sees those projects potentially helping the company to move away from traditional fuels, demand for which is likely to wane in coming decades.
The strategy, discussed by this week by executives at a presentation to investors and media, shows how even Exxon, one of the leading proponents of fossil fuels, is being forced to reckon with a future in which electric vehicles significantly eat into gasoline consumption.
Exxon has already reduced production of fuel oil and high-sulfur petroleum at refineries in Singapore and the UK. Over time, it’s open to cutting output of gasoline, the focus of the company’s refining business since Henry Ford introduced the Model T nearly 100 years ago. The goal is to produce more chemicals, found in everything from paint to plastic, for which there are few low-carbon alternatives.
“We’re planning on modifying some of that yield from gasoline to distillate and chemicals feed,” Jack Williams, Exxon senior vice president, said Wednesday at the company’s office in Spring, Texas. “We’ve got projects that we know we would do to take those steps.”

Another stupid statement by another Exxon executive?

It's cheaper to process sweet crude than sour crude dumbass.

 

[Into the Night]

Sell your shit to the obama's
Joey wets panties

Sasha Obama shows off her stomach in a figure-hugging crop top and low-slung baggy jeans as she fills up her car with gas in Los Angeles

Gas is high priced in L.A. too, thanks to taxes. About $7-8 a gallon now, over twice of elsewhere.

 

[Into the Night]

In research published by Nature Communications, a study led by Dr. Xuekun Lu of Queen Mary University of London found a way to prevent lithium plating, which occurs during the rapid charging of the lithium-ion batteries used in electric vehicles.**

“This is a significant breakthrough that could have a major impact on the future of electric vehicles,” Lu said in a statement.*
Lu and a team of scientists from the United Kingdom and the United States found that lithium plating can be mitigated by improving the microstructure of the graphite negative electrode.*
In addition to allowing for faster charging times, it’s said the findings could improve the energy density of batteries, allowing electric cars to travel a greater distance on a single charge.*
According to the World Economic Forum, one of the biggest factors that hinders EV purchases is concerns about driving range — sometimes referred to as range anxiety.*
Citing data from a survey by EY, a professional services company, the World Economic Forum noted around a third of drivers worldwide are concerned about driving long distances in an electric vehicle.*
However, improved charging times and increased energy storage capacity could be achieved by minimizing the possibility of lithium plating.
Greater access to electric charging points will further help optimism about the capabilities of EVs. In the U.S., the government has announced the intention to create a national network of 500,000 electric vehicle chargers nationwide.*
In all, this is great news for the future takeup and performance of electric cars. EVs produce zero tailpipe pollution, making them much kinder to the environment than dirty-fuel alternatives, as they have no impact on air quality when out on the road.*

More dumb statements by government 'sCiEnTiStS', and dead wrong.

EVs do not have tailpipes, but they use about twice the energy that comes from power plants (burning coal, oil, or natural gas) than just burning the gasoline to drive the car.
These idiots can't even name the 'pollution' or why it's 'pollution'.

They are obviously not scientists. Ignoring the laws of thermodynamics, electrochemistry, and quantum mechanics is NOT science.
Lithium has only so many joules per mole. That doesn't and cannot change. You charge a battery through electroplating.

 

[Into the Night]

The average EV on a full charge has 66% the range of an average ICE car with a 100% full tank. Then 80% of that range if they are "fast" charged so they then have 52% the range of an average ICE car with a full tank. And a 25 min "fast" charge takes you 3 times as long as an average 8 minutes to 100% fill up and ICE car which gets them almost twice as far. That is even if you find a place to get that 80% fast charge. And that is a good thing??? And now we have to worry about lithium plating too???

You don't have to worry about lithium plating. A battery is charged through electroplating.
Fast charging a lithium-ion battery shortens it's life span (not charge span!). Using them shortens the overall life of the battery pack. The more you use them, the shorter your range will be each charge.

 

[Lionfish]

Gas is high priced in L.A. too, thanks to taxes. About $7-8 a gallon now, over twice of elsewhere.

By design

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Nissan says all new models coming to Europe will be fully electric Nissan says all new models coming to Europe will be fully electric

https://apple.news/AOdWju6meQJK0PMosaFJKRw

Nissan Motor Co said on Monday that as of now all new models it launches in Europe will be fully electric and it plans to sell only electric vehicles on the continent by 2030.
"There is no turning back now," Nissan CEO Makoto Uchida said in a statement. "Nissan will make the switch to full electric by 2030 in Europe - we believe it is the right thing to do for our business, our customers and for the planet."
The Japanese carmaker said that one of two new EV models it has already confirmed for Europe will be manufactured at its Sunderland plant in northern England.
Earlier this year, Nissan raised its targets for EV models as it plays catch up in a segment dominated by newcomers like Tesla (TSLA.O) - saying it would launch 19 new EV models by 2030.
Nissan also previously said that by its fiscal 2026 year ending March 31, 2027, 98% of its sales in Europe would be electrified - meaning either fully-electric cars or hybrids, which have both a large battery and a combustion engine.
The new goal of going fully electric in Europe by 2030 brings Nissan in line with alliance partner Renault (RENA.PA), which plans to make the Renault brand all electric by then.
Ford and Stellantis also plan to be fully electric in Europe by 2030. Volvo plans to sell only EVs globally by 2030.

 

[ExpressLane]

Funny I have driven ICE cars for almost 60 years and have never had range anxiety what is it?

 

[Lionfish]

Yes, range anxiety is becoming a thing of the past as electric vehicle technology advances.


https://www.facebook.com/100059398126978/posts/pfbid02Jo3LFtPdzHiPRRAMNuxaxGo4NozhdsShrgf2P57WWf2EWcDaHec3fHTBWaCUZjJJl/

Even the cheapest EVs can now travel more than 200 miles to a charge, while pioneering luxury models featuring the latest in battery technology have proven capable of as much as 500 miles of range or more. Longer-range EVs are making road trips more practical than ever, further closing the gap between them and the internal-combustion-powered cars and trucks they're increasingly replacing.
Several EVs achieve their increased ranges through a combination of more energy-dense battery chemistries and increasingly efficient designs. Others simply pack ever more battery into each vehicle in order to achieve greater distance. Regardless of how they get there, every EV on the following list of electric cars and trucks with the longest range can travel at least 270 miles to a charge, according to the EPA.

Joey wets panties

 

[Joe Capitalist]

MAGAs wet panties

 

[Walt]

Funny I have driven ICE cars for almost 60 years and have never had range anxiety what is it?

You are better at keeping your tank filled then. I have range anxiety all the time. Especially when I was younger, I coasted into gas stations on fumes.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Yes, range anxiety is becoming a thing of the past as electric vehicle technology advances.


https://www.facebook.com/100059398126978/posts/pfbid02Jo3LFtPdzHiPRRAMNuxaxGo4NozhdsShrgf2P57WWf2EWcDaHec3fHTBWaCUZjJJl/

Even the cheapest EVs can now travel more than 200 miles to a charge, while pioneering luxury models featuring the latest in battery technology have proven capable of as much as 500 miles of range or more. Longer-range EVs are making road trips more practical than ever, further closing the gap between them and the internal-combustion-powered cars and trucks they're increasingly replacing.
Several EVs achieve their increased ranges through a combination of more energy-dense battery chemistries and increasingly efficient designs. Others simply pack ever more battery into each vehicle in order to achieve greater distance. Regardless of how they get there, every EV on the following list of electric cars and trucks with the longest range can travel at least 270 miles to a charge, according to the EPA.

Drive cross country in one and document it, bitch.

You'll be in a world of shit when you try to go through Texas.