Trumpism Isn't a Matter of Justice / Injuctice

NiftyNiblick said:
I'm pretty sure that he actually committed very serious crimes.
I'm not on the jury.
I haven't seen the evidence that the juries will see.

I'm admittedly just going by the fact
that he is a disgusting creature
by my own personal standards of human behavior
and would thus very likely be a recidivist criminal.

Hopefully, the prosecution will have more to work with than that.

Even being personally confident of his guilt, however,
I cannot dismiss the possibility of you being correct,
and that he's possibly indeed in no long term danger.

The primary result of his entire term as POTUS
was to install a judicial system that will protect him in any legal circumstance.
Those judges are there for life.

In any civilized nation, we both know that he'd be incarcerated already,
only because most of them don't lethally inject.

I, at least, won't live to see us become a civilized nation,
while your most fervent wish is that we never become one, is it not?
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You are condemning him after just admitting you haven't seen the evidence.

That is very biased.
 
domer76 said:
SCOTUS will require constitutional grounds to overturn any conviction. Not likely to happen.
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SCOTUS dictates what the constitutional grounds are.
They have no enforcement power, however.
That belongs to the executive branch.

After SCOTUS gives the orangutan his free pass,
which I'm afraid that it probably will,
Biden would have to say,
Fuck you, black-gowned idiots, I'm frying him anyway.

Biden has NEVER had balls like that.
Very few of our presidents have...maybe Obama.

Ms. Harris has adequate man parts to do it if Biden croaks in time.
That's our best shot.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
You are condemning him after just admitting you haven't seen the evidence.

That is very biased.
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I am of course very, very biased,
but I'm NOT condemning him.

That is to say,
I don't think that he should be convicted on the grounds
that Nifty Niblick recognizes him as being a complete jerk.

The jury is obligated to presume him innocent
until if and when the prosecution convinces all twelve jurors in each trial
with beyond-reasonable-doubt level proof
that he isn't.

As much as I hate Trump, I do respect the concept of proper legal process.

I personally think [without having absolute knowledge]
that the prosecutors have all the evidence required.

I also think that Trump might skate anyway,
either by mistrial or SCOTUS reversal.

You already know what I think about the present state of the republic.
Optimism for justice wouldn't appear called for.
 
The Supreme Court has reversed criminal convictions, more than once.

As one of the primary school educated loons has posted, wrongly:

NiftyNiblick:

"After SCOTUS gives the orangutan his free pass,
which I'm afraid that it probably will,
Biden would have to say,
Fuck you, black-gowned idiots, I'm frying him anyway."

Biden has no say in the matter. The Executive Branch can not overturn the Supreme Court in a criminal or civil case. The Supreme Court is the final arbiter and Trump will prevail, if necessary.

The primary school, uneducated loon:

NiftyNiblick:

"As much as I hate Trump..."

So much hate in this old man facing the final judgement...soon.


The Separation of Powers is taught, I believe, in middle school...eighth grade.
 
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NiftyNiblick said:
I am of course very, very biased,
but I'm NOT condemning him.

That is to say,
I don't think that he should be convicted on the grounds
that Nifty Niblick recognizes him as being a complete jerk.

The jury is obligated to presume him innocent
until if and when the prosecution convinces all twelve jurors in each trial
with beyond-reasonable-doubt level proof
that he isn't.

As much as I hate Trump, I do respect the concept of proper legal process.

I personally think [without having absolute knowledge]
that the prosecutors have all the evidence required.

I also think that Trump might skate anyway,
either by mistrial or SCOTUS reversal.

You already know what I think about the present state of the republic.
Optimism for justice wouldn't appear called for.
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Well I can't fault you for anything here.

If he is found guilty of something eventually I will accept it and move on, I have no allegiance to the man.

The supreme court is also not a sure thing, the Robert's court has a history of ruling against conservatives but I do know that Smith better have all his shit together because Trump will certainly be appealing any conviction all the way up to them.

Smith is playing in the pro's right now, this isn't college anymore, also remember that Smith has already been admonished by the court for withholding evidence during discovery so that is not a very good start for him.
 
Mike said:
There aren't many chances people (especially men) have to unabashedly express their feelings, show emotion. While the last decade has shown toxic masculinity to be on the right course to extinction, we're not quite there yet.

Politics is such a volatile topic, it lets people emote in ways they'd otherwise never have a chance to emote. And so, when all logic leaves, we're left with emotion. Like a drug - emotion is created through chemicals in our brain, enchanting / disenchanting us.

And so, when Donald Trump's visual image and vocal imprint pierce through people's heads, logic has no chance to puncture through this stream of emotional consciousness.

I'm baffled as to how tens of millions would be casting their votes for Trump, if they ever get a chance to.

Knowing this makes those who have a say in the matter realize what a monumental deed they must not only do, but also get to fruition. Just think of an incumbent president, practically charged with treason against his own people, imagine him pardoning himself plus all his sycophants, while letting those who opposed him in defense of the Constitution, rot in jail.

What kind of message does it send out to the world? To Americans?

Emotion blinds.
You are driven by the need to have a cause, to have purpose, to have a community, your own sheltering peers, all in the name of those chemicals - coursing through your foggy-foggy brain.

SAD. :-(
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Soy is bad for you.
 
Mike said:
Context, baby, context!
Who cares what they make out of LIES (again - knew about them being lies but wanted more billions by getting as many eye balls on their filthy screen!)

The context was - CNN - warping people's minds, but that's just flapping gums, as opposed to Fox "NEWS", who'd been wittingly spitting out lies for ratings. CONTEXT!!

Those tapes don't lie. They knew they were lying and they kept on lying! But CNN's warping people's minds.

He could shoot your family right in front of you and you'd still be defending him to your dying day. Ridiculous!
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Hi.

Thank you for your friends request but I am not doing that here, my rejection of your request has nothing to do with you.
 
Mike said:
Sounds like a clear case of being spiteful for the sake of being spiteful. The US of A has been plagued with problems ever since its conception. No one-party is to blame. No one wants poverty/misery for its citizens, it's (mainly) the system.

We've been brainwashed into thinking capitalism is this amazing system. Sure, when you put it up against communism, it is. But being brainwashed won't let you see that the system says the richer people get, the more they spend. The more they spend = inflation rears its ugly head. It's no one's fault. The system is broken.

That's the cold hard truth. :-(
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we don't have capitalism - we have corporatism

in capitalism, prices ebb and flow. house prices can tank. wages are not fixed by decree. Capitalism is based on capital - Humans save for the future. In capitalism, prices stay the same or go down over time as we innovate, they do not generally go up.

We stopped doing that a long, long time ago. We don't save, we borrow. You blame capitalism for all the problems created by turning our backs on capitalism.
 
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Hello Tinkerpeach,

Tinkerpeach said:
He is alleged to have committed crimes.

Unlike people like you, most people don't convict him until a court of law does.

Everyone is entitled to a defense in this nation.
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Yeah but people tend to believe it when the evidence is so public and overwhelming in support of guilt. If Trump didn't cause Jan 6, who did? It was his lies that did it. And the public is angry that he got away with crimes while in office and the Republican Senate refused to even look at the evidence. That was totally prejudiced.
 
Hello Phantasmal,

Phantasmal said:
Trump’s lawyers are smart enough not to try your defense, but l, I don’t think Trump’s lawyers are as skilled as he needs, some of their tactics are rather amateurish.
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They begin in a hail mary situation. And then it gets worse for them as the trial proceeds.

When I got done watching the House Subcommittee on the January 6th Insurrection findings I was absolutely convinced of Donald's guilt. There isn't a shred of doubt that he didn't cause the insurrection. It would not have happened without his public lies and misleading his followers. If he had accepted the election loss, and told his followers thanks but we came up short, Jan 6th would not have happened.

Donald did the wrong thing and it caused the only attack on our capital since the war of 1812.
 
Hello Tinkerpeach,

Tinkerpeach said:
I imagine his lawyers are some of the best in the world.

Trump is a billionaire and they work on retainer meaning they were already paid a lot for their service.
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If they don't get paid up front they are not very smart. Knowing Donald, if he loses, he won't pay them.
 
zymurgy said:
we don't have capitalism - we have corporatism

in capitalism, prices ebb and flow. house prices can tank. wages are not fixed by decree. Capitalism is based on capital - Humans save for the future. In capitalism, prices stay the same or go down over time as we innovate, they do not generally go up.

We stopped doing that a long, long time ago. We don't save, we borrow. You blame capitalism for all the problems created by turning our backs on capitalism.
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derp derp
 
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