Ex-Capital Police Chief Calls Jan 6 Official Story 'A Cover Up', Violence "End Goal"

Truth Detector said:
I guess you missed this part: National Guard was only a mile away the whole time but had orders NOT to assist :palm:

In addition, he never claimed he could call out the guard. Trump stated that he offered the guard and that Pelosi and the Democratic mayor didn't want "the optics."
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No, their headquarters are a mile away.

They do not keep units stationed and ready to go at a moments notice.

That is a process that takes time, far more than an hour.
 
traveler said:
First of all he is selling a book.

--irrelevant

Secondly, he has no authority to call out the national guard in DC, only the president can do that.

-- the president gives the authority for the Guard to respond if called upon by local LE. They did not respond

Thirdly it takes longer to mobilize the national guard than an hour meaning they wouldn't have gotten there in time anyways.

-- Chief Sund says the Guard was already staged only a mile away. That's because there were high level intel reports of possible trouble for many days before J6


There's not much they could have done in a little over an hours time before the police got it under control.

-- Chief Sund disagrees who knows more about protests and law enforcement than you ever will in a lifetime.
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Like I said, he is promoting his book.

The national guard does not keep units on standby as that costs money.

Trump never gave the DC police authority to call the national guard. No president does that. I don't think that is even legal.

Congress has the power to delegate authority but not the president.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Like I said, he is promoting his book.

The national guard does not keep units on standby as that costs money.

Trump never gave the DC police authority to call the national guard. No president does that. I don't think that is even legal.

Congress has the power to delegate authority but not the president.
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Presidents can use the DC Guard for law enforcement whenever they choose
 
Flash said:
Peaceful protestors were not charged unless they were trespassing.
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Like Trump said they should do!


"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." Trump Jan. 6 Speech
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Of course, but it isn't instantaneous.

They need to be called up.

They aren't on patrol like cops are, they are sleeping in bed or something and have to be summoned in.
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Sergeant-at-Arms Paul Irving was concerned with the "optics" of declaring an emergency ahead of the protests and rejected a National Guard presence on Jan 4th.
 
volsrock said:
Like Trump told them to do

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." Trump Jan. 6 Speech
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Trump has authority to make his supporters march to the Capitol? He did not tell them to trespass and they were obviously very naive if they thought they had to follow his orders.

He also told them "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore,". Is that why they got violent?

You make the Trump supporters sound like robotic drones who must do what he says.
 
Flash said:
"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore,". [/FONT][/COLOR]
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Just a few there are more


'I want you to argue with them and get in their face' Obama telling people to do something

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama telling people to do something...bring a gun



“I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. Chuck Schumer



But thats freedom of speech
 
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volsrock said:
Just a few there are more


'I want you to argue with them and get in their face' Obama telling people to do something

“If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama telling people to do something...bring a gun

“I want to tell you Kavanaugh. You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. Chuck Schumer

But thats freedom of speech
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Did any of that speech result in riots? It is free speech until it results in illegal action or conspiracy to commit illegal acts.

You can advocate anything--like overthrow of the government by violence--but you can't take any action to do it or conspire with others to do so.

A person can't incite a riot unless a riot actually occurs no matter what he said.
 
Flash said:
Did any of that speech result in riots? It is free speech until it results in illegal action or conspiracy to commit illegal acts.

You can advocate anything--like overthrow of the government by violence--but you can't take any action to do it or conspire with others to do so.

A person can't incite a riot unless a riot actually occurs no matter what he said.
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Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) traveled to Minnesota this weekend, urging protesters to "stay in the street" and to even become "more confrontational"


we’ve got to not only stay in the street, but we’ve got to fight for justice





.Is that why they got violent and rioted?... MAYBE just like in Trumps case MAYBE! But she got a pass! And those riots much more violence and damage occured ...19 people died during the riot


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Trump said fight..she said fight


Was she charged with inciting a riot?
 
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Flash said:
Violent protestors (the ones you saw rioting in the videos) assaulted police officers.
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Most were peaceful. However, when police started assaulting the mostly peaceful protestors with mace and clubs, it turned more violent.

If it was so violent, why did capitol police escort people into and around the building?

Flash said:
Peaceful protestors were not charged unless they were trespassing.
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The trespass charge is very weak. If capitol police escorted people into the building, they were charged with trespass. See any problems with that?

The point of this thread, which you apparently are incapable of comprehending while looking like an MSNBC parrot, is that all this could have been avoided and that this may have been the intent and result Democrats wanted.

Care to debate the thread premise, or do you want to continue looking like a mindless MSNBXC parrot and beating that dead horse? :palm:
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Of course, but it isn't instantaneous.

They need to be called up.

They aren't on patrol like cops are, they are sleeping in bed or something and have to be summoned in.
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The witness, a high-ranking Capital police, says they were within a mile. Why do people miss that important fact?
 
Flash said:
Trump has authority to make his supporters march to the Capitol? He did not tell them to trespass and they were obviously very naive if they thought they had to follow his orders.
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So then you agree that Jack Smith is nothing more than a partisan hack in trying to charge Trump with a crime. Good!

Flash said:
He also told them "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore,". Is that why they got violent?
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Why do you pretend they all got violent. It was a very small minority who did. So, saying "fight like hell" is no incitement? Thats laughably stupid.

Flash said:
You make the Trump supporters sound like robotic drones who must do what he says.
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Wrong again. That would be Biden and the Democrats who make such moronic arguments. You like building strawmen and deflecting don't you?
 
Flash said:
Did any of that speech result in riots? It is free speech until it results in illegal action or conspiracy to commit illegal acts.
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That is a pile of Jack Smith bile. Nothing in that speech could be construed as incitement. Unless you are an uneducated hyper partisan liar on steroids.

Flash said:
You can advocate anything--like overthrow of the government by violence--but you can't take any action to do it or conspire with others to do so.
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What action did Trump take or conspire with to cause the spontaneous violence? DUMB.

Flash said:
A person can't incite a riot unless a riot actually occurs no matter what he said.
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That is laughable word salad. Try again? How did Trump incite a riot?

Again, you deflect, flail and avoid the point of this thread which is, a high-ranking capitol police making a charge that the conspiracy was within the Democrat controlled Congress. He has a lot of evidence suggesting he is correct.
 
volsrock said:
Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) traveled to Minnesota this weekend, urging protesters to "stay in the street" and to even become "more confrontational"


we’ve got to not only stay in the street, but we’ve got to fight for justice





.Is that why they got violent and rioted?... MAYBE just like in Trumps case MAYBE! But she got a pass! And those riots much more violence and damage occured ...19 people died during the riot


...

Trump said fight..she said fight


Was she charged with inciting a riot?
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There are so many better examples of Democrats inciting violence.

"I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price," Schumer, who was then minority leader, said at the time. "You won't know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions."

“Let’s make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out, and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,” Waters said.

New Jersey’s Booker was also recorded in 2018 urging activists at the National Conference on Ending Homelessness to "get up in the face of some congresspeople.”

"Before I end, that’s my call to action here. Please don’t just come here today and then go home," he said. "Go to the Hill today. Get up, and please get up in the face of some congresspeople."

Texas Rep. Joaquin Castro said Democrats would “fight [Trump] and challenge him in every way that we can in the Congress, in the courts, and in the streets and protests,” regarding if Trump declared a national emergency.
 
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