Biden want's to force people to buy electric water heaters now

[Lionfish]

Another goofy post.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Fox News=fake news

So everything on Fox is automatically false?

 

[Lionfish]

So everything on Fox is automatically false?

You have no idea how accurate your statement is. There could be a real time video of a riot and if it was posted using a link that had a FOX logo, every leftie here would deny it ever happened.
When I was listening to FOX I sent an email suggestion to Tucker suggesting he start loudly endorsing every democrat candidate in the country. That would ensure the barking leftie moonbats would vote Republican.

 

[Noking]

So everything on Fox is automatically false?

Most of everything yes

 

[QP!]

OMG what is next for this fascist Biden governments?

Are you going to tell me that the BIDEN gov't will :

- Require all vehicles State by State to have catalytic converters?? We drove cars for decades without one. HOW DARE BIDEN!~!!

- Ban freon . CFC's were common for decades. HOW DARE BIDEN!!!

- Lead in Paint? Is nothing sacred??? We have had unregulated amounts of lead in paint for decades. HOW DARE BIDEN!!!!

- etc, etc



Look i share the derps rage. Biden is time not only trying to set future standards that improve health, safety and costs for all over time, but he is also time traveling to the past and implementing this fascist strategy we have never seen done prior to Biden.


This is a completely new thing Biden is trying to do (current and past) in regulating things for future benefit and myself and my magatard idiot friends will not stand it. NO ONE MAKES FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS ON OUR WATCH!!!

 

[QP!]

Most of everything yes

Yup.

The vast, vast, vast majority of what comes from Fox is lies and propaganda so the default position should be everything is a lie unless proven otherwise.

And its not lie it is a secret. It was very deliberately created as a propaganda machine that could spread lies for conservative causes and to ensure people like Nixon on the right could never be held accountable, via the use of lies and misinformation.

Say what you want about partisan leanings in other media, but that is very different than the creators of the network admitting it was founded as propaganda and not have any type of 'truth' or 'fact' focus.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Most of everything yes

You understand that they are news reporting agency, they do very little investigative journalism, they simply report things from other sources, left sources as much as right sources.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

He's not suggesting it, he want's to put it into law meaning homeowners to spend upwards of 1500 dollars to comply with him.

Where are you spending $1500 for the average electric water heater.
I just checked Home Depot and of the first 72 electric water heaters on their site had only 2 home systems that were over $1000. I'm not sure how you got to an average one costs $1500 before install.

Lowes lists 165 electric water heaters and 159 of them cost less than $1000.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Where are you spending $1500 for the average electric water heater.
I just checked Home Depot and of the first 72 electric water heaters on their site had only 2 home systems that were over $1000. I'm not sure how you got to an average one costs $1500 before install.

Lowes lists 165 electric water heaters and 159 of them cost less than $1000.

I was including the price of installation

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

This is wrong. Yes, the Biden administration wants to put new, possibly onerous, energy efficiency and pollution controls on hot water heaters. No, they can't force you buy one to replace your current one. Instead, they expect you to pay big bucks when you need a new one. Right now, a water heater only lasts 7 to 10 years on average--for a decent quality one. That means eventually you will need a new water heater.

What the new unit will cost depends on a number of factors, but it will be more expensive with the new regulations. Will you "save money?" Probably not. Installation costs will remain about the same either way. The unit will cost more, therefore the payback period will be longer.

You can still go tankless too. That's big $$$$ to install, particularly if you have some contractor doing it. I can tell you the electric on one of those right now--in big part because of Biden's war on mining and the demand for copper--is going to run you a couple of thousand. The wiring alone will hit $1000 bucks easily, and that's the wholesale cost not the markup cost. Breaker(s)? Another $500 to $750, assuming there's room in your panel and you don't need a service upgrade (that'll add an easy $5,000 to the cost).

Can you provide an itemized list for why the wiring will cost $1000?

https://pdf.lowes.com/productdocume...1*1hjxare*_gcl_au*ODgzNjIwNDg5LjE2ODkyNTc3ODM.
A 5500w 240v electric water heater requires 30 amps and 10 gauge wire according to the user manual

1 - 30A GFCI Circuit Breaker - $150 ($285 for one at Graybar without commercial discount)
60' of 3/4" conduit - $100 (1/2" conduit will work according to code)
misc conduit connectors - $50
200' of 10gauge wire - $200 (Home Depot sells it for $.31 per ft)
Assorted wire connectors - $20
Grand total for all the electrical materials needed - $520


I don't get to $1000 and I have all my wire, conduit and the breaker.


I can get 250' of MC 10/3 from Grainger for $350 or 125' of MC 10/3 from Home Depot for $259.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I was including the price of installation

The standard price to switch over is 1,500 dollars for a new heater, not counting installation.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

My bad then.

Point still remains, it's too expensive for most people.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

I am not a huge fan of conventional Water Heaters or Heat Pumps.

First of all, conventional Water Heaters are, by far, one of the most energy deficient Money eaters on the planet. And Heat pumps only work well in warmer climates, and not recommended for areas where you have extreme winter low temperatures. And many times, builders will place a water heater in an attached garage that is not heated and exposed to the extreme cold winter air. So, I don't even think that would be a good idea for anyone in that situation.

So, in areas or in houses where the conditions are right for heat pumps, I believe they would save money for people who still insist on having conventional water heaters in their lives.

On demand water heaters will always be the best route to go, if you truly want an energy efficient system to warm your water.

So, if there should be a push by the Federal Government to make water heaters more efficient, instead, they should be offering some kind of incentive to offer the homeowners a break on the cost of On-Demand water heaters, and also on-demand insinkerators as well, for kitchen sinks and bathroom lavatories.

So, I do not believe a Bill as suggested would fly in Congress.

Let's move towards the future and use TRUE methods of energy efficiency, instead of putting a band-aid on Old Technologies that are still energy deficient from the get-go!

That is all I am saying!

For me, this would be a no deal!

 

[Into the Night]

If POTUS suggested using a Parmigiana-Romano blend of grated cheese on our pasta instead of straight Romano,
the righties would accuse him of spaghetti fascism.

This forum needs an idiot filter.

That WOULD be fascism if he tried to require it by law, which is what he doing here.

Dumb mutt.

 

[Into the Night]

POTUS has a republican house and can't push through any legislation whatsoever that they don't like.

My guess is that he's just trying to make a point.
If he had both chambers. he probably wouldn't make such a suggestion.

Lots of loyal democrats wouldn't like it either.
$1500 isn't a lot of money to people who own a house, normally, but I suppose it definitely could be to some.

It just brings up the thought that long run, when it's possible, the electric heaters might be a good idea.

It's a stupid way to do politics, I agree,
but we have an extremely stupid political system with which to work.

Okay. Give me $1500 as a 'stupid fee' because you're so stupid.

Dumb mutt.

 

[Into the Night]

You are a fucking moron Nora. And a lazy and stupid poster. The rule covers SALES OF NEW WATER HEATERS sold beginning five years after the policy is adapted. Jesus fucking Christ read about the topic you are posting about you asscliwn.

Fascism is fascism, dope.

 

[Into the Night]

She's aware that she's being deceitful. She's just a pathetic, little far right troll.

She is not being deceitful. YOU are.

Dumb Commie.

 

[Into the Night]

My bad then.

Point still remains, it's too expensive for most people.

Your price is generally fairly low. I am, of course, including installation costs.

It costs money to buy the new water heater (about $950), money to ship it, money to install it (wiring costs and changes in plumbing can cost easily $1000 total).
Then come the higher costs of heating water by electricity instead of natural gas or propane.

All because the government wants to implement fascism and this is the current fad they favor.

 

[Into the Night]

I am not a huge fan of conventional Water Heaters or Heat Pumps.

First of all, conventional Water Heaters are, by far, one of the most energy deficient Money eaters on the planet. And Heat pumps only work well in warmer climates, and not recommended for areas where you have extreme winter low temperatures. And many times, builders will place a water heater in an attached garage that is not heated and exposed to the extreme cold winter air. So, I don't even think that would be a good idea for anyone in that situation.

So, in areas or in houses where the conditions are right for heat pumps, I believe they would save money for people who still insist on having conventional water heaters in their lives.

On demand water heaters will always be the best route to go, if you truly want an energy efficient system to warm your water.

So, if there should be a push by the Federal Government to make water heaters more efficient, instead, they should be offering some kind of incentive to offer the homeowners a break on the cost of On-Demand water heaters, and also on-demand insinkerators as well, for kitchen sinks and bathroom lavatories.

So, I do not believe a Bill as suggested would fly in Congress.

Let's move towards the future and use TRUE methods of energy efficiency, instead of putting a band-aid on Old Technologies that are still energy deficient from the get-go!

That is all I am saying!

For me, this would be a no deal!

You don't get to dictate energy markets ya dumb lizard.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Your price is generally fairly low. I am, of course, including installation costs.

It costs money to buy the new water heater (about $950), money to ship it, money to install it (wiring costs and changes in plumbing can cost easily $1000 total).
Then come the higher costs of heating water by electricity instead of natural gas or propane.

All because the government wants to implement fascism and this is the current fad they favor.

Probably it's low, I'm not an expert on water heaters, just pulled some numbers quickly off a site for the post.

My point was that it is too expensive more many people to implement.