One of the many actions by Trump and his cronies that day which are certain to come up on court.
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One of the many actions by Trump and his cronies that day which are certain to come up on court.
Don't do that. I heard the fucking speech and the other ones Trump scheduled. They were all firing up hate and violence. They did it for over an hour. When they attacked the capitol and tried to kill the politicians, they were listening to Trumo. That is what he stirred up. His tossing in a be peaceful after all the damage he did was to try and absolve himself from what he was doing.
Trump was organizing the hateful anti-American insurrection for weeks.
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He knew his people came to his rally 'ready to hurt someone', and then he sent them on a 'March to the Capital', so tell Tinker to stuff that nonsense.
Tinkerpeach
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I highly doubt you sat through an hour long speech by trump.
I couldn't even do it, I had to read the transcripts.
There was nothing in it that would have riled up the crowd, in fact it was so mundane it probably put them to sleep.
You are as usual, highly wrong. I guess you fell asleep. Did you hear Rudy talking about "Trial by Combat? Trump made many violent suggestions. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...d-a-faithful-mob-to-the-capitol-idUSKBN29G2UP
Tinkerpeach
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He also told them to protest peacefully.
That is something you guys can't overcome in court.
It was a direct statement which overrules any "suggestions" you think he made.
That is why Trump hasn't been charged.
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Fight like hell
Tinkerpeach
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That doesn't mean violence, it could mean a legal fight.
I've had coaches tell our team to fight like hell and if your mind goes to violence when you hear that then I would say the problem is with you.
Most people don't think that way.
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"Fight like hell" and 'ya they are here to hurt people but they are not here to hurt me, let them thru and then i'll send them to the Capital'.
Tinkerpeach
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Trump never said that.
That is what Hutchinson accused him of.
She also said this.
Relaying what she said she was told by Secret Service official Tony Ornato, Hutchinson recounted that Trump grew livid when his bodyguards told him his limousine was headed not to the Capitol, but back to the White House, after the rally.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...-house-cassidy-hutchinson-testimony-rcna35550
QP!
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Correct.
And when it comes to truth telling Cassidy Hutchinson has 1000 times the credibility that Trump does.
Tinkerpeach
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Trump can't even access the steering wheel from the back seat.
It is blocked off.
She is lying.
Unless the secret service was letting him ride shotgun hahahahaha
If you've ever seen how "The Beast" is designed where the president sits is unpenetrable. There is bulletproof glass separating the president from the front of the car.
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She was not relaying what she said she witnessed.
She said she was relaying what she was told, as she recalled it.
If someone tells you they got in a fight, and they tell you they got tripped and hit their head, and you recall it as 'they were in a fight and got picked up and hit their head' that is NOT a lie.
In the retelling of Trump's conflict with his SS in his angry rant to go the Capital the vantage point from which he lunged at his SS in anger does not matter. It is the conflict that matters, and not the specifics.
Tinkerpeach
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QP!
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Nope.
That is just you being stupid again.
If i tell you 6 months ago i was in a fight, and that is what you recall, and can testify to that, that is what matters.
If you get certain points wrong, such as 'was it a kick or punch that started it', everyone knows that happens. That does not then invalidate that you got the point that matters correct.
Anyone trying to say 'she said it was a punch when it was a kick' as a way to try to say it did not happen and was all a lie, is just stupid.
Tinkerpeach
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That doesn't work in court.
If you aren't credible you are not a good witness.
She will have to say who told her this then that agent will be questioned for his statement.
If he cannot be validated then her whole testimony is irrelevant.
So an agent saying Trump grabbed the wheel and another agent by the throat to force them to drive to the capital is obviously lying so everything he said will be discounted by a jury.
Besides, she wasn't even a witness to it.
She never heard the words.
Why haven't they been in touch with someone who actually did here it?
Why are they relying on her and not the source?
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It does work in court as juries are not stupid like you.
People understand that in recalling things years later, small details can get lost while the big picture can still be clear.
Meaning i can recall correctly that the plane that crashed was on fire, but i might say it was the right engine and not the left.
Only an idiot (you) says, it was proven the left engine was on fire so your testimony the plane was no fire, is not accepted.
Her story has already been corroborated by various parties on the scene in the way that matters. Trump was angry, beligerant and threatening to his SS as he demanded to get taken to the Capital. That and not the specifics of what words he used and what specific angry gestures he made, is what matters to anyone not stupid (ie not you).