We're a pro-choice nation

Frank Apisa said:
Yes, it "does" become a living human "unless it's removed" (or otherwise caused to fail)...

...but "becoming" a thing is NOT the same as BEING that thing. An acorn (if it does not fail) will become an oak tree...but an acorn IS NOT an oak tree. A blastocyst, an embryo, or a fetus is not a living human...despite the fact that they can become a living human.

That is all I am saying.



A woman can decide to terminate a pregnancy occurring in her own body...and should be able to do so legally...and with the safety that legality helps provide. You and others of your same mind may want to word your remarks the way you are because wording it more accurately weakens your arguments.



YES...I GROK THAT. Why are you so unable to understand that there are those of us who feel differently than you about whether an UNDENIABLE LIVING HUMAN WOMAN who wants to terminate a pregnancy occurring in her own body should be able to do so legally...and with the safety that legality helps provide?



What do you see as demeaning about that word? It is used by intelligent people to denote understanding in depth...often through intuition or empathy. I use it often...and honestly see nothing to be ashamed of about using it.
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i understand how you feel...and I believe we have agreed to disagree...
You are free to use whatever words you like....we'll have to agree to disagree about "intelligent" people using it to "denote understanding in depth"....
 
The result of an abortion is a dead child.

The child was alive before it was killed.

AN UNDENIABLE LIVING HUMAN CHILD was killed.
 
Earl said:
The result of an abortion is a dead child.

The child was alive before it was killed.
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I'm not sure why that is such a difficult concept to grasp...especially when some are so insistent that we all adopt a "deep and intuitive understanding of what is taking place...to empathize and be sympathetic" to the decision to abort....I think we're very understanding when there's a medical reason, or danger to the lives involved...I think we're very encouraging to find options to avoid having to follow through with such a procedure...
Obviously, many here are more reasonable than others....
 
TOP said:
i understand how you feel...and I believe we have agreed to disagree...
You are free to use whatever words you like....we'll have to agree to disagree about "intelligent" people using it to "denote understanding in depth"....
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I am not sure why you would disagree with that, but...perhaps it would be more understandable to me if you would explain what you consider "grok" to mean.

Please do. I value you opinions...even the ones I disagree with vehemently.
 
Earl said:
The result of an abortion is a dead child.

The child was alive before it was killed.

AN UNDENIABLE LIVING HUMAN CHILD was killed.
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Bullshit.

Often all an abortion (or miscarriage, for that matter) is...is the disposal of a cell cluster.
 
TOP said:
I'm not sure why that is such a difficult concept to grasp...especially when some are so insistent that we all adopt a "deep and intuitive understanding of what is taking place...to empathize and be sympathetic" to the decision to abort....I think we're very understanding when there's a medical reason, or danger to the lives involved...I think we're very encouraging to find options to avoid having to follow through with such a procedure...
Obviously, many here are more reasonable than others....
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If a woman chooses to terminate a pregnancy occurring in her own body...she should be allowed to do so legally...etc. etc. etc.

I cannot understand why that is such a difficult concept for some people to grasp...especially the ones who say they are being reasonable and logical.
 
TOP said:
I'm not sure why that is such a difficult concept to grasp...especially when some are so insistent that we all adopt a "deep and intuitive understanding of what is taking place...to empathize and be sympathetic" to the decision to abort....I think we're very understanding when there's a medical reason, or danger to the lives involved...I think we're very encouraging to find options to avoid having to follow through with such a procedure...
Obviously, many here are more reasonable than others....
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Indeed.

That "deep and intuitive understanding of what is taking place"... is the death of an unborn child.

The left will never admit that the unborn child is alive before it is killed.

That is an untenable position. The child was alive before it was killed.

The left can shuck and jive til Hell freezes over but there is a death certificate issued following the killing.


When a doctor has induced an abortion by any currently used abortion procedure, a fetal death occurs; therefore, both a fetal death certificate and a certificate of abortion must be filed; however, if fetal death is caused by a spontaneous abortion or miscarriage, it would only be necessary to file a fetal death certificate.
 
I believe we will all be judged by our actions on this earth.

I do not believe that the Grand Architect will look favorably on those who favor the killing of the live, unborn child.
 
Earl said:
Indeed.

That "deep and intuitive understanding of what is taking place"... is the death of an unborn child.

The left will never admit that the unborn child is alive before it is killed.

That is an untenable position. The child was alive before it was killed.

The left can shuck and jive til Hell freezes over but there is a death certificate issued following the killing.


When a doctor has induced an abortion by any currently used abortion procedure, a fetal death occurs; therefore, both a fetal death certificate and a certificate of abortion must be filed; however, if fetal death is caused by a spontaneous abortion or miscarriage, it would only be necessary to file a fetal death certificate.
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IF you want to pretend you are defending children, best you stop using this kind of horse shit, and actually HELP children now actually alive.

There is no living human inside a pregnant woman's body. That is just a pretense on the part of people wanting others to see them in a favorable light.

The vast majority of abortions happen when all that exists in the pregnant woman's body is a clump of cells...NOT A LIVING HUMAN BABY.

No child was killed...because there was no child alive.
 
Earl said:
I believe we will all be judged by our actions on this earth.
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You "believe."

And the world is supposed to act in accordance with what you "believe?"

You are an asshole.

I do not believe that the Grand Architect will look favorably on those who favor the killing of the live, unborn child.
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The Grand Architect? You mean Zeus?
 
When a living human being dies, a death certificate is required.

Every abortion requires a death certificate.

The living human being was alive before it was killed.

It's an untenable position to say that an aborted child was dead before it was dead.
 
Frank Apisa said:
You "believe."

And the world is supposed to act in accordance with what you "believe?"

You are an asshole.



The Grand Architect? You mean Zeus?
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I'll respond directly to you this time.

You are looking at the great abyss and you support the murder of unborn children.

The Grand Architect of the Universe is your Maker, almighty God, to whom you will be held accountable.

After Roe fell, half of the states are expected to ban abortion...more to come.

Now, pendejo, take a hike and don't forget to say hello to old Blue Eyes.
 
TOP said:
What don't you understand?
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Don't you understand your own comments? You concluded by saying, "it doesn't make sense"

On the issue at hand, if society regarded a fetus as a child then abortion would be, and would always have been, first degree murder in every state. So all of this "unborn child" argument is blather.
 
If you are really pro-life, you will support a kid after it is born. If a woman chooses abortion and you stop her, it is your job to educate and feed the kid. Serious pro-birthers should give generously to a fund to support the kids. I bet if you had a fund to feed and educate a kid, there might be fewer abortions.If you really want to force a girl to have a kid, you should have responsibility for its life. With power comes responsibility.
 
Nordberg said:
If you are really pro-life, you will support a kid after it is born. If a woman chooses abortion and you stop her, it is your job to educate and feed the kid. Serious pro-birthers should give generously to a fund to support the kids. I bet if you had a fund to feed and educate a kid, there might be fewer abortions.If you really want to force a girl to have a kid, you should have responsibility for its life. With power comes responsibility.
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"If a woman chooses abortion and you stop her, it is your job to educate and feed the kid."

Nonsense, Nordy. It is the responsibility of the parents to feed their children.

We do support children after they are born. Our Catholic Charities feeds many children...and adults in our parish

No one forces a woman to have a child...except in a rape. If they don't want children, don't have children.
 
martin said:
Don't you understand your own comments? You concluded by saying, "it doesn't make sense"

On the issue at hand, if society regarded a fetus as a child then abortion would be, and would always have been, first degree murder in every state. So all of this "unborn child" argument is blather.
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My question to you is what don't you understand?
 
Earl said:
When a living human being dies, a death certificate is required.

Every abortion requires a death certificate.
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Please cite something requiring that. I am suggesting you are wrong.

The living human being was alive before it was killed.
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There is no living human being before the abortion...often nothing more than a clump of cells. You are merely asserting (without foundation) a living human being so that you can claim something had to be killed.

It is bullshit on your part.

It's an untenable position to say that an aborted child was dead before it was dead.
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It is an untenable position to claim that a clump of cells is a living human being.
 
Earl said:
I'll respond directly to you this time.

You are looking at the great abyss and you support the murder of unborn children.
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I do not support the murder of unborn children, Asshole.

The Grand Architect of the Universe is your Maker, almighty God, to whom you will be held accountable.
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So you do mean Zeus...or some other god?

After Roe fell, half of the states are expected to ban abortion...more to come.
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This, too, will eventually be overturned. It will happen. We are too evolved to buy into your kind of bullshit.


Now, pendejo, take a hike and don't forget to say hello to old Blue Eyes.
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Ole Blue Eyes is dead, Asshole.
 
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