Former Navy reservist sentenced to additional 4 years for Jan. 6 riot

Much as I probably would despise this guy he should have been sentenced strictly for his criminal conduct.
Not a lawyer, but it seems if the judge exceeded his powers, the sentence will be turned over on appeal. The idiot is going away for 3 years already so he’ll have time to appeal the extra year(?). I didn’t see if the sentences were to run concurrently, which is normal, or consecutively.

Don’t most criminals get out early with good behavior? Isn’t it the Trumpers who were whining about prisoners being released early? Ironic if true. LOL
 
Now you're just being silly. You are confusing being anti-war with anti-warrior.

I’m anti-war, TOW. :)

I used “lots” exactly as Nordberg, et al, used it. Why is it okay for them to use it and not me?

No doubt you guessed that I did that deliberately to make this exact point. :)
 
COGoat sounds quite jelly to me. :laugh:

Interesting how he claims to try to get along with others, but then exhibits his bizarre fetishism about me. Being on forced ignore has really hurt his feelz. Darn. ;)
I think he’s ronery. It can’t be easy staring at a ceiling all day.

He claims a lot of false things. What’s interesting to me is trying to determine if he knows he’s lying or if he’s delusional enough to believe them like AHZ.
 
Because they admire authoritarians, IMO. Trump puts himself out as one.


Specifically fascist authoritarianism as opposed to Democratic Party socialist authoritarianism.

In short; authority by one leader/King versus authority by committee/HOA/politburo. Neither is preferable, IMO. I prefer a republic.
 
Not a lawyer, but it seems if the judge exceeded his powers, the sentence will be turned over on appeal. The idiot is going away for 3 years already so he’ll have time to appeal the extra year(?). I didn’t see if the sentences were to run concurrently, which is normal, or consecutively.

Don’t most criminals get out early with good behavior? Isn’t it the Trumpers who were whining about prisoners being released early? Ironic if true. LOL

I don't think the federal prison system has early parole. Good point though, about the faux law-and-order crowd. They ARE constantly whining about early release of inmates. They also falsely accuse prosecutors and judges of being weak on criminals, yet America has more inmates than any other nation. I wonder how they parse that factoid?
 
Specifically fascist authoritarianism as opposed to Democratic Party socialist authoritarianism.

In short; authority by one leader/King versus authority by committee/HOA/politburo. Neither is preferable, IMO. I prefer a republic.

The (D)s are as far from being "socialist" as I am from flying one of your helicopters. lol
 
I don't think the federal prison system has early parole.

Good point though, about the faux law-and-order crowd. They ARE constantly whining about early release of inmates.

They also falsely accuse prosecutors and judges of being weak on criminals, yet America has more inmates than any other nation. I wonder how they parse that factoid?
I don’t know. I do know military prison doesn’t have early parole.

One of my favorite things about JPP is watching the political extremists flip-flop when it’s their side on the hook.

Agreed on the oddity: they hate the US government then applaud it when it sends those they oppose to prison.
 
Not a Sea lawyer, but there are a few on JPP for you to consult, Terry. :thup:

Common sense is sufficient to make that judgement. You don't have to be as stupid as a liar... err, lawyer... to see it.

Speed was found guilty of obstruction of an official proceeding, entering and remaining in a restricted building, disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building, disorderly conduct in a Capitol building, and parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building.

That's what he was found guilty of. How does being a racist or antisemite make any of that some sort of hate crime deserving of a stronger sentence? The judge erred, and erred badly, in this case. That's not to defend Speed. That's to be fair and impartial about it. Convict someone of what they did, don't pile on time for things you don't like about the defendant. Your opinion of him is irrelevant in sentencing.

If Speed has even a molecule of brain matter, even a public pretender as his attorney should be able to get that conviction overturned because of the judge's actions. How does that further justice?

If I were his lawyer, that's where I'd go on the appeal. Yea, my client is a racist and antisemite. He openly admits it. But what he did wasn't a hate crime and had nothing to do with his racist views. The enhancement that Judge (what's his name) used was clearly not following federal sentencing guidelines, and based on his personal dislike of my client...

That is enough to get the whole case tossed, or at least get a retrial. More likely it simply gets tossed and the defendant walks. The judge fucked up.
 
Common sense is sufficient to make that judgement. You don't have to be as stupid as a liar... err, lawyer... to see it.

Speed was found guilty of obstruction of an official proceeding, entering and remaining in a restricted building, disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building, disorderly conduct in a Capitol building, and parading, demonstrating, or picketing in a Capitol building.

That's what he was found guilty of. How does being a racist or antisemite make any of that some sort of hate crime deserving of a stronger sentence? The judge erred, and erred badly, in this case. That's not to defend Speed. That's to be fair and impartial about it. Convict someone of what they did, don't pile on time for things you don't like about the defendant. Your opinion of him is irrelevant in sentencing.

If Speed has even a molecule of brain matter, even a public pretender as his attorney should be able to get that conviction overturned because of the judge's actions. How does that further justice?

If I were his lawyer, that's where I'd go on the appeal. Yea, my client is a racist and antisemite. He openly admits it. But what he did wasn't a hate crime and had nothing to do with his racist views. The enhancement that Judge (what's his name) used was clearly not following federal sentencing guidelines, and based on his personal dislike of my client...

That is enough to get the whole case tossed, or at least get a retrial. More likely it simply gets tossed and the defendant walks. The judge fucked up.

Thanks for explaining your hatred and disrespect of the United States judicial system. It explains why you support those seeking to destroy it.

Are you making any predictions on when RAHOWA starts, Terry?
 
Just lawyers, not the judicial system.
Wow, Terry. I didn't realize you don't know that lawyers are officers of the court and swear an oath.

...not that oaths matter to Trumpers and veterans who support the violent overthrow of our government on wacky pretenses.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...he-bar/professional-life/anatomy-of-our-oath/
Every lawyer in the country must be sworn in and take their state’s oath of attorney. This ceremony may seem traditional and mundane, but it has never been more important. This oath binds each attorney to certain professional obligations and requires us, as lawyers, to faithfully uphold and support the laws of our state and our country.
 
Wow, Terry. I didn't realize you don't know that lawyers are officers of the court and swear an oath.

...not that oaths matter to Trumpers and veterans who support the violent overthrow of our government on wacky pretenses.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...he-bar/professional-life/anatomy-of-our-oath/
Every lawyer in the country must be sworn in and take their state’s oath of attorney. This ceremony may seem traditional and mundane, but it has never been more important. This oath binds each attorney to certain professional obligations and requires us, as lawyers, to faithfully uphold and support the laws of our state and our country.

I don't care. Lawyers are nothing special. They're just liberal arts majors in a simple field of study. In terms of what they do, for the most part they're nothing but over paid secretaries filling out paperwork to submit to the court.
 
I don't care. Lawyers are nothing special. They're just liberal arts majors in a simple field of study. In terms of what they do, for the most part they're nothing but over paid secretaries filling out paperwork to submit to the court.
Having dealt with lawyers three times more often than I'd have preferred, I can understand your dislike of lawyers, but they are necessary. Sometimes as necessary as toilet paper and just as quickly disposed of after use, but still necessary.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/law-day-2013-10-famous-people-who-were-lawyers
Among the Founding Fathers, 35 of the 55 delegates who attended the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were lawyers or had legal training.

 
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