Charges against Baldwin dropped due to a complete lack of evidence

[Text Drivers are Killers]

If someone hands me a gun, the FIRST thing I do is check to see what condition it's in. Is it loaded? Is the safety on or off?

You are gun ignorant. The gun baldwin shot did not have a safety. It was a revolver.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Baldwin was instructed by the cinematographer, Halyna Hutchins, to point the gun at the camera.

So how did baldwin hit her, you idiot. If the gun is aimed at the camera, the bullet will hit the camera. THINK

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

We know they wanted shots of him at the camera, because there is footage of him firing shots at the camera.

Again i ask - if the gun was pointed at the camera lens, how did he hit her.? You refuse to answer that question.

 

[Yakuda]

No, but a gun that looks like a lighter does shoot bullets. They also have a gun that looks like a cell phone. You try to call someone with that cell phone, and you can kill someone by mistake.

You bring up an interesting example of what I was saying. We can call that the Pink Panther example, because it was in the original Pink Panther movie. A person has a lighter that looks exactly like a gun. Someone exchanges the lighter for a real gun. The person tries to light a cigar, and instead kills someone. There is no intent, nor crime, nor knowledge death was a reasonably probable outcome.

Oddly enough, if someone intentionally exchanged the gun for the lighter, the exchanger would probably be guilty of murder. Not the person who pulled the trigger.

His actions resulted in a death. That's manslaughter. Period

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

The number one rule of gun safety is never point a gun at someone unless you want to shoot them. For some reason hollywood is allowed to break that rule - if the script calls for you to point the gun at an actor you can. BUT HALYNA WAS NOT IN THE MOVIE and if he was instructed to point the gun at the camera, then how did he hit her??

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

This may have been murder. Baldwin has a decades long reputation for having a short fuse. Halyna may have said something he didn't like. Who knows?. But for sure this was at least manslaughter and you or i would get 5-10 for this.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

His actions resulted in a death. That's manslaughter. Period

Now wait a minute. It's not THAT simple. There has to be negligence. If you are driving a car and a kid runs in front of the car and you swerve and kill some other pedestrian, that is not manslaughter. But with baldwin there was negligence and he is guilty.

 

[Yakuda]

Now wait a minute. It's not THAT simple. There has to be negligence. If you are driving a car and a kid runs in front of the car and you swerve and kill some other pedestrian, that is not manslaughter. But with baldwin there was negligence and he is guilty.

I agree but his actions directly resulted in a death so for the OP to say there is a "complete" lack of evidence is nonsensical

 

[Walt]

Again i ask - if the gun was pointed at the camera lens, how did he hit her.? You refuse to answer that question.

It hit two people and a camera. Bullets tend to go through things and hit other things.

 

[Walt]

His actions resulted in a death. That's manslaughter. Period

trump's companies, and his actions have resulted in several deaths. Any doctor will kill a few patients along the way. All the white killers you defend killed people.

Accidents are not manslaughter. Baldwin was handed a prop that was not supposed to be in any way able to fire a bullet. The gun being able to fire a bullet is the trigger that killed people.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

trump's companies, and his actions have resulted in several deaths. Any doctor will kill a few patients along the way. All the white killers you defend killed people.

Accidents are not manslaughter. Baldwin was handed a prop that was not supposed to be in any way able to fire a bullet. The gun being able to fire a bullet is the trigger that killed people.

True.

Not a lawyer, but my understanding is that accidents can be manslaughter. In Baldwin's case, he hired the people who handed him the gun...on the cheap. Ergo, he's responsible...if only morally, not legally.

Multi-million dollar legal teams are the best defense for the rich.

 

[Text Drivers are Killers]

Accidents are not manslaughter.

What a stupid thing to say. A drunk driver who kills someone may well go to prison for MS even though it was an accident. He wasn't trying to kill.

 

[Walt]

Not a lawyer, but my understanding is that accidents can be manslaughter.

If there is criminal intent for another crime that could reasonably lead to an accidental death, then an accident is manslaughter. For instance, if you have are brandishing a gun (threatening people), and it accidentally goes off killing someone, it would be manslaughter. That is why the Republicans tried so hard to get the brandishing charge to stick.

In Baldwin's case, he hired the people who handed him the gun...on the cheap. Ergo, he's responsible...if only morally, not legally.

That is an argument for civil liability, but not criminal liability. And I doubt Baldwin actually hired the father who was supposed to be the armorer, or allowed the replacement with the daughter. I doubt he cared... Which also runs to civil liability.

Multi-million dollar legal teams are the best defense for the rich.

It cut both ways. There was also a million dollar attack team setup to get Baldwin, because he was famous.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

...It cut both ways. There was also a million dollar attack team setup to get Baldwin, because he was famous.

Isn't that what the Trumpers are always saying about their messiah?

 

[Walt]

What a stupid thing to say. A drunk driver who kills someone may well go to prison for MS even though it was an accident. He wasn't trying to kill.

A drunk driver may accidentally kill someone, but they did not drive drunk accidentally. The criminal intent is formed by intentionally drinking, and then intentionally driving.

Let's say someone spikes your nonalcoholic drink with drugs. You are so messed up you do not realize you are messed up. Then that person guides you into a car, and sends you off driving. You run over someone. You did not commit manslaughter, because you did not intend to drive while impaired. The person who spiked your drink is guilty of manslaughter, or worse murder.

It is hard to find a crime that Baldwin intended to do. That makes this a pure accident from his point of view. The handing him a loaded gun, and telling him that it was a prop that could not be fired starts looking like the spiking of the drink with drugs. There might be a crime here, but it certainly does not look like it was Baldwin's.

 

[Walt]

Isn't that what the Trumpers are always saying about their messiah?

Was Baldwin intentionally using the gun to threaten Hutchins? That is the legal question.

But yes, when you go after a rich defendant, you are forced to put together a bigger team. So it does cut both ways with trump. I would argue trump got away with a lot before being challenged.

How many other shooting incidents has Baldwin been involved in?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

A drunk driver may accidentally kill someone, but they did not drive drunk accidentally. The criminal intent is formed by intentionally drinking, and then intentionally driving.

Let's say someone spikes your nonalcoholic drink with drugs. You are so messed up you do not realize you are messed up. Then that person guides you into a car, and sends you off driving. You run over someone. You did not commit manslaughter, because you did not intend to drive while impaired. The person who spiked your drink is guilty of manslaughter, or worse murder.

It is hard to find a crime that Baldwin intended to do. That makes this a pure accident from his point of view. The handing him a loaded gun, and telling him that it was a prop that could not be fired starts looking like the spiking of the drink with drugs. There might be a crime here, but it certainly does not look like it was Baldwin's.

The producer was responsible for hiring the staff.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Was Baldwin intentionally using the gun to threaten Hutchins? That is the legal question.

But yes, when you go after a rich defendant, you are forced to put together a bigger team. So it does cut both ways with trump. I would argue trump got away with a lot before being challenged.

How many other shooting incidents has Baldwin been involved in?

As producer, he was responsible for the safety of the set. As an actor, not so much.

 

[Walt]

As producer, he was responsible for the safety of the set. As an actor, not so much.

That is a civil liability argument.

 

[Walt]

The producer was responsible for hiring the staff.

There was a co-producer who hired the people who then hired the staff. For instance, the cast was hired by the casting director, who was in turn hired by the co-producer.