No crime San Francisco trip!

cawacko said:
I responded to the discussion point that many older people paid their way through school. That is correct but it was also a very different time.

Kids getting part time jobs tend to earn little more than minimum wage. Not enough work hours possible to make what is needed to pay on your own.

And yes, I also referenced scholarships and grants but even for those who receive them it doesn’t pay all expenses for most. Kids still need either help from their parents or to take out additional loans.
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It was a very different time...
 
TOP said:
But a part-time job still isn't going to pay all the bills...you know that... do you think your son could do it without your help? You mentioned that he was going to drive to Maverick to Surf so that would mean a car gas maintenance Insurance Etc on top of everything else... and that would probably cut into the part-time job hours... and that's not meant to be personal just meant to point out that it would be really expensive and difficult to try to do it on your own..
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WIth scholarships and grants and maybe a part-time job, it is possible. There are also student loans. I did not say it would be easy, but it can be done. One might not get to surf much.
 
christiefan915 said:
I looked and one site says "$14,226 in-state" and "$43,980 out of state." What's up with that? I'm sure it's legal but it doesn't seem ethical.
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All schools are like that (for the most part). State tax payers subsidize the schools so in state students get the subsidize rates. Those from out of state have to pay the full freight. (And that $43K number doesn’t include full room and board. That’s just tuition.)

(I know there are some state schools that offer in-state tuition to kids from certain other states so there are exceptions.)
 
cawacko said:
I responded to the discussion point that many older people paid their way through school. That is correct but it was also a very different time.

Kids getting part time jobs tend to earn little more than minimum wage. Not enough work hours possible to make what is needed to pay on your own.

And yes, I also referenced scholarships and grants but even for those who receive them it doesn’t pay all expenses for most. Kids still need either help from their parents or to take out additional loans.
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I agree with you that a part time job is certainty not enough these days.
 
Jarod said:
WIth scholarships and grants and maybe a part-time job, it is possible. There are also student loans. I did not say it would be easy, but it can be done. One might not get to surf much.
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It would be incredibly difficult... but sure anything is possible... if getting a college degree is that important there are much better ways to go about getting one then to choose an out-of-state incredibly expensive University in a equally as expensive city... but absolutely there are always way if you have a dream school...
I mentioned doing the first year or two... basically core classes... in a less expensive environment... working.. living at home and saving money... to transfer and get your degree from your dream School...
I'm not sure why that's not a pretty reasonable and good thing suggest to a young person who doesn't have a lot of outside help..
 
cawacko said:
All schools are like that (for the most part). State tax payers subsidize the schools so in state students get the subsidize rates. Those from out of state have to pay the full freight. (And that $43K number doesn’t include full room and board. That’s just tuition.)

(I know there are some state schools that offer in-state tuition to kids from certain other states so there are exceptions.)
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I looked up Pitt and Penn State and both have out-of-state tuition approximately double than in-state. Yet Berkeley's is more that three times for out-of-state. I guess their superior reputation allows them to do it.
 
TOP said:
It would be incredibly difficult... but sure anything is possible... if getting a college degree is that important there are much better ways to go about getting one then to choose an out-of-state incredibly expensive University in a equally as expensive city... but absolutely there are always way if you have a dream school...
I mentioned doing the first year or two... basically core classes... in a less expensive environment... working.. living at home and saving money... to transfer and get your degree from your dream School...
I'm not sure why that's not a pretty reasonable and good thing suggest to a young person who doesn't have a lot of outside help..
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I think it is a very good and reasonable option. Its also not wrong to dream big, if you did the work to back it up.
 
christiefan915 said:
I looked up Pitt and Penn State and both have out-of-state tuition approximately double than in-state. Yet Berkeley's is more that three times for out-of-state. I guess their superior reputation allows them to do it.
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I actually don’t know how they determine the out of state number but as you just showed it’s not uniform for each university.

On the surface, Cal’s reputation would seem to be a reason they can charge that high like you said. I don’t know if that’s actually the case or not.

Several years ago almost 24% of students at Cal were from out of state. (the school see’s the dollar signs). But there was push back against it and I think the number has dropped below 10%. With the state facing economic headwinds it will be interesting to see where that number goes in the next several years.
 
cawacko said:
I responded to the discussion point that many older people paid their way through school. That is correct but it was also a very different time.

Kids getting part time jobs tend to earn little more than minimum wage. Not enough work hours possible to make what is needed to pay on your own.

And yes, I also referenced scholarships and grants but even for those who receive them it doesn’t pay all expenses for most. Kids still need either help from their parents or to take out additional loans.
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Nobody said a part-time job would be enough to pay the full tuition; it's just one way to help defray costs. I, personally, did not expect my parents to pay or help pay for my education so I did the things mentioned above. There's nothing wrong with parent help but I don't think it's the norm.
 
Jarod said:
I think it is a very good and reasonable option. Its also not wrong to dream big, if you did the work to back it up.
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Absolutely! I'm all about dreaming big..
But if that big dream doesn't include having to live in poverty and end up with a big debt it's much better.... your son is lucky he has your support... not all kids do... as you mentioned..
It's important to help those that do not make good choices...
 
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christiefan915 said:
Yep. That's pretty common here and why Biden wanted to give a tuition break to some students. I don't know if kids are getting more benefits from the ever-rising costs.
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Not to derail the tread and go off on another topic but beware when you hear any President (or even Congress) talking about wanting to lower tuition. Yes, it sounds great to voters but the reality is the increased gov’t involvement in cahoots with the Universities is what has driven costs so high.
 
christiefan915 said:
Nobody said a part-time job would be enough to pay the full tuition; it's just one way to help defray costs. I, personally, did not expect my parents to pay or help pay for my education so I did the things mentioned above. There's nothing wrong with parent help but I don't think it's the norm.
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No question that many people hold part time jobs while in school (either because it is required as part of their financial aid or simply to help cover costs). Compared to the cost of college decades ago, part time jobs cover far less of the costs today is all.
 
cawacko said:
Not to derail the tread and go off on another topic but beware when you hear any President (or even Congress) talking about wanting to lower tuition. Yes, it sounds great to voters but the reality is the increased gov’t involvement in cahoots with the Universities is what has driven costs so high.
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I was talking about his one-time loan forgiveness payment that's now back in Congress. I agree that the president or Congress shouldn't get involved in raising and lowering tuition.
 
Jarod said:
My wife and son are on a College visit to San Francisco, he’s considering colleges for the fall.

On their fourth day, haven’t witnessed a single crime yet!

Does that blow you Trumppers minds?
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My brother said he saw no crime on Mexico trip...means nothing
 
christiefan915 said:
I looked up Pitt and Penn State and both have out-of-state tuition approximately double than in-state. Yet Berkeley's is more that three times for out-of-state. I guess their superior reputation allows them to do it.
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Kind of random but was just speaking to one of my best friends growing up. He still lives here in the Bay Area and his daughter is a Senior in high school. He kind of fills me in on her college choices and he said she has chosen Michigan. I asked the cost. He claims it's $70K. He said close to $45K for tuition and then room & board etc. That blows my mind. That's private school tuition right there. It pains me to say this but when you list the top 5 public Universities in the country Michigan will be on that list, so its a good school. But I just can't fathom paying that for public school.
 
cawacko said:
Kind of random but was just speaking to one of my best friends growing up. He still lives here in the Bay Area and his daughter is a Senior in high school. He kind of fills me in on her college choices and he said she has chosen Michigan. I asked the cost. He claims it's $70K. He said close to $45K for tuition and then room & board etc. That blows my mind. That's private school tuition right there. It pains me to say this but when you list the top 5 public Universities in the country Michigan will be on that list, so its a good school. But I just can't fathom paying that for public school.
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She is likely not going to pay full tuition. If you can get into Michigan you can get money to help pay for it.
 
Jarod said:
She is likely not going to pay full tuition. If you can get into Michigan you can get money to help pay for it.
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Possibly. My friend isn't rich but he still makes enough money that she likely isn't going to qualify for a lot of loans. (Doesn't mean she can't get them but she's not the target)
 
cawacko said:
Possibly. My friend isn't rich but he still makes enough money that she likely isn't going to qualify for a lot of loans. (Doesn't mean she can't get them but she's not the target)
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It’s not all need based, there is money available for even wealthy people
 
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