Dems Alarmed as Independents Bolt

i figure the amount of taxes I have paid up till now in my life at age 35 is more then 95% pay there whole lives. So I would have no guilt if i stopped paying in.
 
Onceler said:
Please. You don't have to listen to Rush; the propoganda is everywhere.

I can almost guarantee that if you did a poll on whether Obama has raised income taxes, more than half of those polled would say "yes"
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Well I don't, the independents in polls cited spending, NOT taxes. The ol great unwashed argument, you keep thinking they are dumb, my personal experience is that the dumbest and smartest people tend to be extremists, while independent moderates are more in the middle intelligence wise.

Which means they are capable of discerning basic reality and if you don't think that, well didn't you call yourself a moderate?
 
Jarod said:
I am a Democrat and I can assure you that I am not worried, the independents may be moving Right, but thats part of the normal swing that happens when one party has the majority of the power.

It will likely result in losses in the sennate and house in 2010 and maybe the white house in 2012. If history tells us anything it is that losses in 2010 do not necessarly mean a loss of the presidency in 2012. Regan lost big in the house and Sennate 2 years into his first term, as did President Clinton.
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There is nothing normal about it, they are losing by DOUBLE digits in normally competitive areas. That's more than just a simple mid-term shift.
This is just some generic damage control Dem party BS meant to try and dismiss a big problem, if that's your strategy go for it, but nobody else is buying it.
 
KingCondanomation said:
There is nothing normal about it, they are losing by DOUBLE digits in normally competitive areas. That's more than just a simple mid-term shift.
This is just some generic damage control Dem party BS meant to try and dismiss a big problem, if that's your strategy go for it, but nobody else is buying it.
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Ok, time will tell. You may be right. I expect big wins in 2010 for Republicans unless they self destruct over some canidates not being conservative enough. Watch what happens to my Governor Charlie Crist, if he is ousted from the party you are in trouble.

To me it looks like Obama will get reelected, but there is a LOT of water under the bridge from here to there.
 
Jarod said:
I am a Democrat and I can assure you that I am not worried, the independents may be moving Right, but thats part of the normal swing that happens when one party has the majority of the power.

It will likely result in losses in the sennate and house in 2010 and maybe the white house in 2012. If history tells us anything it is that losses in 2010 do not necessarly mean a loss of the presidency in 2012. Regan lost big in the house and Sennate 2 years into his first term, as did President Clinton.
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Yeah but any liberal streak Clinton had was killed in 1994.
 
KingCondanomation said:
Well I don't, the independents in polls cited spending, NOT taxes. The ol great unwashed argument, you keep thinking they are dumb, my personal experience is that the dumbest and smartest people tend to be extremists, while independent moderates are more in the middle intelligence wise.
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You're an extremist.
 
KingCondanomation said:
There is nothing normal about it, they are losing by DOUBLE digits in normally competitive areas. That's more than just a simple mid-term shift.
This is just some generic damage control Dem party BS meant to try and dismiss a big problem, if that's your strategy go for it, but nobody else is buying it.
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We're losing in some areas for reasons other than national reasons. We aren't losing by double digits nationally.
 
Watermark said:
Yeah but any liberal streak Clinton had was killed in 1994.
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ANyone who pays attention knows that Obama is at his most powerfull right now, he will never again enjoy this much power, unless we have another 9-11.

Same with Clinton or Regan. Bush Sr. is a different story because of 9-11...
 
I've got a more accurate poll to send out.

If Democrats drop HCR, will you vote for them?

See how many people vote for that. If we're going to lose in 2010 we've lost whether or not we pull out of cap and trade and HCR.
 
KingCondanomation said:
:eek: So are you.

At least in my case it's much more sobering to reflect that I only really am one because I repeat the same ideas and phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence and the start of the greatest nation of freedom.
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You mean the godless heathens who founded this nation and Thomas Paine, the first socialist?
 
KingCondanomation said:
:eek: So are you.

At least in my case it's much more sobering to reflect that I only really am one because I repeat the same ideas and phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence and the start of the greatest nation of freedom.
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And you're quite modest to boot! You're just full of awesome, aren't you?
 
Watermark said:
I've got a more accurate poll to send out.

If Democrats drop HCR, will you vote for them?

See how many people vote for that. If we're going to lose in 2010 we've lost whether or not we pull out of cap and trade and HCR.
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That is more an indictment over the speed of the spending you have already done, but what kind of strategy is digging a hole deeper because you think you can't get out of it?

Political capital gets spent all too quickly, you spent it all on buying some time for your "stimulus" and corporate welfare/bailouts, at least you can console yourself that you got more than Bush who spent it all on Schiavo.
 
KingCondanomation said:
That is more an indictment over the speed of the spending you have already done, but what kind of strategy is digging a hole deeper because you think you can't get out of it?

Political capital gets spent all too quickly, you spent it all on buying some time for your "stimulus" and corporate welfare/bailouts, at least you can console yourself that you got more than Bush who spent it all on Schiavo.
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There's no such thing as political capital.

If we pass HCR and cap and trade, then it doesn't matter if we lose the house. Obama can just veto any repeal attempts and the issue will eventually die before 2012. Passing this is more important than winning elections.
 
very telling that lengths that republicans and liberals are taking in order to defame the founding fathers in order to pursue a totally unconstitutional power grab.
 
Watermark said:
There's no such thing as political capital.

If we pass HCR and cap and trade, then it doesn't matter if we lose the house. Obama can just veto any repeal attempts and the issue will eventually die before 2012. Passing this is more important than winning elections.
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Passing healthcare reform is how the Democrats win. Do what you said you were going to do.
 
Watermark said:
There's no such thing as political capital.
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Of course there is, once someone new gets in, people give them a bit more of a break and support.

Watermark said:
If we pass HCR and cap and trade, then it doesn't matter if we lose the house. Obama can just veto any repeal attempts and the issue will eventually die before 2012. Passing this is more important than winning elections.
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This is probably true and scary, but you are thinking about things from an idealists point of view, there are enough moderate and/or power hungry Dems in the senate to not want to go along with the plan of sacrificing what they got.
 
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