Socialism!!!!!

Jarod said:
Pure Capitalism would be totally hands off business, no regulations or even taxes.
I do not know of anywhere it has been tried, I do not think it is possible to try that in the real world.
I do know that whenever a government tilts way toward Socialism or way toward Capitalism it gets out of whack.
A lot of socialism seems to work in Scandinavia, but they still have some Capitalism.
A lot of Capitalism seems to work in the United States, but we still have a lot of Socialism.

Honduras is about the most Capitalist system I have ever seen and it is a huge mess.
The USSR is about the most Socialist (to the degree of being Communist) and it was a mess.
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Fair enough. I agree, "pure capitalism" isn't possible because the masses mandate government. I disagree often as to what folks call "socialism", something can be "like" it or "socialistic" without actually being socialism. Having a hammock of a welfare system is socialistic, but it is not "socialism", for instance as the government has not taken ownership of companies and run them from a centralized entity. Taxing corporations is not the same thing as taking ownership of the means of production.
 
Jarod said:
When a state takes over the governing board of Disney’s town and appoints his donors to the board of directors what’s that called?
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Imagine if a Democratic governor did the same thing. The REPUBLICLOWNS would be having a panty-wetting hissy fit.

Is there any doubt?
 
Jarod said:
So, it has never lasted, but you are sure deep in your heart that if it was allowed to it would thrive...? I wonder why it is so vulnerable to the big bad socialists who never let it get going, why is it so weak?
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That's not what I said. I explained why so now you're being purposely obtuse.
 
Joe Capitalist said:
Imagine if a Democratic governor did the same thing. The REPUBLICLOWNS would be having a panty-wetting hissy fit.

Is there any doubt?
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Well, yes. Just like the Democrats are wetting their panties now. This is a bit like saying that folks need oxygen to stay alive.
 
It is noted that those who purport to hate Capitalism the most are those who will not leave America for the workers’ paradise of Cuba or the starving nation of Venezuela.

Those who love freedom (Cubans) still get on rafts to come to America and those who want to eat still leave Venezuela for America.
 
Damocles said:
Fair enough. I agree, "pure capitalism" isn't possible because the masses mandate government. I disagree often as to what folks call "socialism", something can be "like" it or "socialistic" without actually being socialism. Having a hammock of a welfare system is socialistic, but it is not "socialism", for instance as the government has not taken ownership of companies and run them from a centralized entity. Taxing corporations is not the same thing as taking ownership of the means of production.
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We agree on more than we disagree, but I do not think you see it. I am glad to see you willing to discuss some of this stuff.

I think taking ownership of companies crosses past the line of socialist to Communist.
 
“I think taking ownership of companies crosses past the line of socialist to Communist.”

A lie.

Since Walt died in 1966, the Walt Disney Company is now owned by three primary shareholders: the descendants of Roy and Walt, and two companies – Berkshire Hathaway and Cadbury.
 
Damocles said:
Well, yes. Just like the Democrats are wetting their panties now. This is a bit like saying that folks need oxygen to stay alive.
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Actually, I haven't seen anyone complain about him punishing companies, have you? Other than me?
 
Jarod said:
We agree on more than we disagree, but I do not think you see it. I am glad to see you willing to discuss some of this stuff.

I think taking ownership of companies crosses past the line of socialist to Communist.
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Socialism, according to the communist manifesto, is the next to last step towards Communism and is the step in which the government seizes and owns the means of production. "Global Communism" is the magic moment when the government is no longer necessary and the mythical utopia is reached.
 
Jarod said:
We agree on more than we disagree, but I do not think you see it. I am glad to see you willing to discuss some of this stuff.

I think taking ownership of companies crosses past the line of socialist to Communist.
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You haven't posted a link or a citation showing that's what's happening in this case.
 
Jarod said:
Actually, I haven't seen anyone complain about him punishing companies, have you? Other than me?
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There are zillions of "DeSatan" tiktoks, etc. with leftists very upset about this action. Yeah, I have seen it. They care that he's "punishing" Disney for "supporting LGBTQ+". Here on this board, not so much. One supposedly liberal poster seems to still believe that jokes about gay is the same thing as jokes about pedophile FFS. My guess is you are getting the more quiet version here because we aren't in HS. Though here on this board we had a bunch of y'all talking about it. Specifically about the law you hated...
 
Damocles said:
Socialism, according to the communist manifesto, is the next to last step towards Communism and is the step in which the government seizes and owns the means of production. "Global Communism" is the magic moment when the government is no longer necessary and the mythical utopia is reached.
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So the USSR was not communist?
 
Damocles said:
There are zillions of "DeSatan" tiktoks, etc. with leftists very upset about this action. Yeah, I have seen it. They care that he's "punishing" Disney for "supporting LGBTQ+". Here on this board, not so much. One supposedly liberal poster seems to still believe that jokes about gay is the same thing as jokes about pedophile FFS. My guess is you are getting the more quiet version here because we aren't in HS. Though here on this board we had a bunch of y'all talking about it. Specifically about the law you hated...
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I do not tiktok. I haven't seen it, I honestly expected bipartisan outrage, but I am naïve sometimes about people and politics.

Ive seen a lot of "Conservatives" on this board defending it. You are the only one I have seen admit it was harmful.
 
Jarod said:
I do not tiktok. I haven't seen it, I honestly expected bipartisan outrage, but I am naïve sometimes about people and politics.

Ive seen a lot of "Conservatives" on this board defending it. You are the only one I have seen admit it was harmful.
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Well it's tough to be "outraged" based solely in your opinion. Show some evidence that what you have claimed happened has actually happened and then maybe people will be outraged. If desantis put people on the Disney board of directors I would be outraged but that's not what happened here. I guess I'm naive enough to think people will support their claims with evidence.
 
Jarod said:
When a state takes over the governing board of Disney’s town and appoints his donors to the board of directors what’s that called?
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Got your ass kicked in the Marx thread you started, now you ooze over hear and start lying about our Next President.

How pathetic.
 
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