Another Republican disaster

[Port Tack]

Actually, the EPA washed their hands of it. They told all those fucked by their actions that they couldn't be sued for it, then just let the shit they released dilute over time or settle out in the river beds. There was no attempt at clean up or remediation.

The Environmental Protection Agency said Friday it will not repay claims totaling more than $1.2 billion for economic damages from a mine waste spill the agency accidentally triggered in Colorado, saying the law prohibits it.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gold-king-mine-spill-colorado-rivers-epa-claims/

You can bet your ass if it was some private corporation the EPA would have forced them to pay it all AND probably prosecuted those they felt were responsible. But when it's the EPA's fault, too bad for you...

I have worked hand in hand with the EPA as well as the European union. My reports in 95% of the cases cross the desks of EPA reviewers. The EPA does what they can and are hampered by our fucked up govt, they try. I find it incredible that anyone could possibly blame them for any accident or spill, 95% of the time it is a case of the EPA saying I told you so.

 

[Port Tack]

Eh, rivers flow and settle. The EPA was responsible, though.

Just how the fuck could the EPA be responsible for a spill?

 

[Port Tack]

Under-regulation is the Republican mantra.

It would be good if people who don't believe in government would just stay the fuck out of it.

The pols are the lackeys for the oligarchs, and the rank and file who vote for them care about nothing but "Fuck the libs who look down on us for being stupid."

Some people should stop saying perpetually down there, always giving us something to look down upon.

That sentence "Under regulation is the republican mantra" is just about the most accurate statement in this thread. The EPA may say this is the way it is and what we should do and the republican says no thats too expensive and the sciences recommendation is ignored. you have an accident or find they were right and assholes like Matt Dillion claim it's EPA's fault. They can be a pain in the ass but I don't think I've ever seen them be the ones at fault.

 

[Port Tack]

To date, Biden has killed 150,000 + young Americans in short order with an extremely toxic chemical. "What chemical is that?", you ask. The chemical is (N - phenyl - N - [( 1 (2 - phenyl ethyl)] - 4 -piperidinyl] propylanamide) -commonly referred to as FENTANYL. And the death toll keeps mounting every day..


Seems very much like another major DEMOCRAT DISASTER to me - AN INTENTIONAL DISASTER !. The demented perpetrator of this horrific mass - murder, Biden, should be brought to trial and given the death sentence. That's what happens when you vote Democrat - you ridiculous, little, liberal "fart - chaser.."


Dachshund - the Wonder Hound

DLM....Dachshund Lives Matter !!

Utter bullshit. People were dying from fentanyl before Biden and will continue to after Biden. Ignorant right wingers like to think it comes across the border out in the desert where Trump would have put his wall because they are fucking stupid. 99% of it comes in boats or planes or stashed in the back of trucks and it came in the same way when your fucking velveeta man was president.

 

[Port Tack]

Anyone who still votes for a Republican in ANY election is either crazy or stupid. But it is almost impossible to get them to see that, since being crazy or stupid is a formidable impediment to understanding anything.

VOTE DEMOCRATIC...OR JUST DO NOT VOTE.

This truely is the key to 99% of our problems.

 

[serendipity]

Why would they select that gas for use in WWI if it has a low boiling point? The phosgene may not stick around but the 4-5 other compounds are known carcinogens and persistent.

As far as I know it was only used in the winter months in the trenches and was effective because of its density.

 

[serendipity]

Just how the fuck could the EPA be responsible for a spill?

Why did they set fire to the vinyl chloride?

 

[Ross Dolan]

Why would they select that gas for use in WWI if it has a low boiling point? The phosgene may not stick around but the 4-5 other compounds are known carcinogens and persistent.

As I remember it from basic training...phosgene was not a lethal gas. It made people vomit...and to vomit, a person had to remove their gas mask. Then the other gases killed them.

 

[Into the Night]

It is known by the appearance of the wheels of the derailed train in Ohio that the brakes had failed. Wheels were melted in such a fashion that it was obvious that the wheels and brakes had failed prior to the derailment.

In 2014 the Obama administration proposed and passed more stringent regulations for brakes on freight trains. The regulations would require electronic brakes over (or in addition to) air brakes on all freight trains carrying hazardous materials.

However, after industry pressure and Republicans were involved, the final measure ended up including only trains carrying crude oil and exempting trains carrying the very same hazardous chemicals involved in this disaster.

Then in 2017 the trump administration after rail industry donors delivered more than $6 million to republican campaigns, Donald Trump backed by senate republicans, rescinded the regulation in its entirety that would make better braking systems on the nation’s rails a requirement.

Norfolk Southern had previously touted the new technology known as Electronically Controlled Pneumatic (ECP) brakes for their “ability to reduce train stopping distances by as much as 60 percent over conventional air brake systems.” Nevertheless they pressed to repeal the rule saying it would impose significant cost and the fat fucking shithead in Washington was none too happy to oblige them.

When asked if those electronically controlled brakes would have allowed that train to stop in time, the former senior official at the railroad Administration said “yes, no question about it”.

Now we have Butyl acrylate, ethylhexyl acrylate, vinyl chlorides and now phosgene that are extremely toxic dumped in the surrounding soil and water. Thousands of fish are already dead and floating as much as 7 miles downstream. It is inevitable that they will find these compounds in surrounding wells and as stable as they are they will be there for a long time. Phosgene gas is what killed thousands upon thousands of soldiers in WWI.

I’ve said it before and will say it again; if this accident disturbs you there is a way to put a stop to much of it. That is when it comes time to vote, DON’T vote for any republicans. I don’t care if it’s local, state or federal; none of them give a shit about you. Vote democrat down the line.

The only bright side to this disaster is the fact Trump carried Columbiana county with over 71% of the vote. At least we know that when those people start dropping dead from cancer or their kids are born with three eyeballs, we know most of those dumbshits will have deserved it.

Republicans do not cause train wrecks.
Brakes are already electronically controlled.

 

[Into the Night]

I am a scientist that has been working in the field of toxicology for over 30 years. Not sure what you are getting at but they intentionally set fire to containers of vinyl chloride in hopes to prevent their explosion. You burn vinyl chloride you release phosgene gas. Google WWI and phosgene and see what you get. People are returning to their homes after evacuation and finding dead pets and chickens. Naa, nothing threatening there. Give it another week or 2 and see how fucking stupid your comments are.

You are no scientist. You deny and discard science. Stop making up shit about yourself.
Science is not Google.

 

[Yakuda]

It is known by the appearance of the wheels of the derailed train in Ohio that the brakes had failed. Wheels were melted in such a fashion that it was obvious that the wheels and brakes had failed prior to the derailment.

In 2014 the Obama administration proposed and passed more stringent regulations for brakes on freight trains. The regulations would require electronic brakes over (or in addition to) air brakes on all freight trains carrying hazardous materials.

However, after industry pressure and Republicans were involved, the final measure ended up including only trains carrying crude oil and exempting trains carrying the very same hazardous chemicals involved in this disaster.

Then in 2017 the trump administration after rail industry donors delivered more than $6 million to republican campaigns, Donald Trump backed by senate republicans, rescinded the regulation in its entirety that would make better braking systems on the nation’s rails a requirement.

Norfolk Southern had previously touted the new technology known as Electronically Controlled Pneumatic (ECP) brakes for their “ability to reduce train stopping distances by as much as 60 percent over conventional air brake systems.” Nevertheless they pressed to repeal the rule saying it would impose significant cost and the fat fucking shithead in Washington was none too happy to oblige them.

When asked if those electronically controlled brakes would have allowed that train to stop in time, the former senior official at the railroad Administration said “yes, no question about it”.

Now we have Butyl acrylate, ethylhexyl acrylate, vinyl chlorides and now phosgene that are extremely toxic dumped in the surrounding soil and water. Thousands of fish are already dead and floating as much as 7 miles downstream. It is inevitable that they will find these compounds in surrounding wells and as stable as they are they will be there for a long time. Phosgene gas is what killed thousands upon thousands of soldiers in WWI.

I’ve said it before and will say it again; if this accident disturbs you there is a way to put a stop to much of it. That is when it comes time to vote, DON’T vote for any republicans. I don’t care if it’s local, state or federal; none of them give a shit about you. Vote democrat down the line.

The only bright side to this disaster is the fact Trump carried Columbiana county with over 71% of the vote. At least we know that when those people start dropping dead from cancer or their kids are born with three eyeballs, we know most of those dumbshits will have deserved it.

And you wonder decent people think leftists are vermin.

 

[Into the Night]

No, without republicans that train would have had electronic brakes and we would not be having this conversation. Those people were not fucked over by govt, it was republicans.

Trains already have electronic brakes.

 

[Into the Night]

You have no way of knowing that. Implementation of policy can take decades. Retroactive laws are illegal in the US. Therefore, the rail company wouldn't have to retrofit their older trains and cars with this system, but rather implement it as they replaced them.
Aside from that, there were both Democrats and Republicans who were against this law / regulation.

Your rebuttal also fails to address the true disaster here, the decision to burn off these chemicals.

Brakes on trains are already electronic.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Just how the fuck could the EPA be responsible for a spill?

Because they were the official contractor of record and supervising the clean up. That makes them responsible, and the EPA even grudgingly had to admit they had legal responsibility.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

No, without republicans that train would have had electronic brakes and we would not be having this conversation. Those people were not fucked over by govt, it was republicans.

you clearly lack even a basic understanding of how the game of politics is played. Instead, you're a lemming who swallows the blue colored koolaid and spews the talking points they tell you to.

 

[Gondwanaland]

It is known by the appearance of the wheels of the derailed train in Ohio that the brakes had failed. Wheels were melted in such a fashion that it was obvious that the wheels and brakes had failed prior to the derailment.

In 2014 the Obama administration proposed and passed more stringent regulations for brakes on freight trains. The regulations would require electronic brakes over (or in addition to) air brakes on all freight trains carrying hazardous materials.

However, after industry pressure and Republicans were involved, the final measure ended up including only trains carrying crude oil and exempting trains carrying the very same hazardous chemicals involved in this disaster.

Then in 2017 the trump administration after rail industry donors delivered more than $6 million to republican campaigns, Donald Trump backed by senate republicans, rescinded the regulation in its entirety that would make better braking systems on the nation’s rails a requirement.

Norfolk Southern had previously touted the new technology known as Electronically Controlled Pneumatic (ECP) brakes for their “ability to reduce train stopping distances by as much as 60 percent over conventional air brake systems.” Nevertheless they pressed to repeal the rule saying it would impose significant cost and the fat fucking shithead in Washington was none too happy to oblige them.

When asked if those electronically controlled brakes would have allowed that train to stop in time, the former senior official at the railroad Administration said “yes, no question about it”.

Now we have Butyl acrylate, ethylhexyl acrylate, vinyl chlorides and now phosgene that are extremely toxic dumped in the surrounding soil and water. Thousands of fish are already dead and floating as much as 7 miles downstream. It is inevitable that they will find these compounds in surrounding wells and as stable as they are they will be there for a long time. Phosgene gas is what killed thousands upon thousands of soldiers in WWI.

I’ve said it before and will say it again; if this accident disturbs you there is a way to put a stop to much of it. That is when it comes time to vote, DON’T vote for any republicans. I don’t care if it’s local, state or federal; none of them give a shit about you. Vote democrat down the line.

The only bright side to this disaster is the fact Trump carried Columbiana county with over 71% of the vote. At least we know that when those people start dropping dead from cancer or their kids are born with three eyeballs, we know most of those dumbshits will have deserved it.

As the fire was due to failed wheel bearings, a brake system regulation has nothing to do with it (PS trains already have electronic brakes you ignorant fuck). Good grief, use your fucking brians.

 

[Gondwanaland]

You have no way of knowing that. Implementation of policy can take decades. Retroactive laws are illegal in the US. Therefore, the rail company wouldn't have to retrofit their older trains and cars with this system, but rather implement it as they replaced them.
Aside from that, there were both Democrats and Republicans who were against this law / regulation.

Your rebuttal also fails to address the true disaster here, the decision to burn off these chemicals.

Not to mention the derailment was due to failed wheel bearings, and had literally nothing to do with brakes, as the NTSB has admitted.

 

[Geeko Sportivo]

The disaster in Ohio didn't start until the federal retards on the scene decided that the best way to deal with the derailment was to create the equivalent of a gigantic burn pit and burn off all the bad stuff that was on the train.

As for what you are talking about, that was a bipartisan effort to kill that legislation. Also, that was years ago, and if the Democrats alone thought it worthwhile, they could have brought it up with Biden for a second go-around. But, they didn't.

In any case, the issue isn't so much the derailment. Those happen pretty regularly. Instead, it was the response afterwards that was the problem. The train cars weren't presenting an environmental disaster covering miles around the accident until idiots at the EPA, probably FEMA, DoT, and other agencies decided to turn it into the world's largest chemical burn pit. This is what you get putting your trust into 'government experts' who are anything but experts.

Remember, the same bunch of retards at the EPA caused the Gold King Mine disaster poisoning an entire watershed and several rivers with toxic sludge and heavy metals.

You can also bet that the government won't hold themselves accountable or libel for this. Instead, they'll blame the railroad company for their failure.

As for this:



I hope you rot in Hell for your hatred of innocent people fucked over by the government.

I totally agree with where the Blame is- The idea to let the fire burn itself out.

Sure there was a maintenance issue with the tank cars brakes, so that's on the railroad.

But whoever made this decision to let the fire burn itself out, should be taken out and shot- unless....that was the only solution.

But, let's be sure who made this call, as it could have been there was not a proper emergency response team available to put the fire out.

This may go back to an Infrastructure problem. Perhaps Ohio needs a better Emergency Response capability than it has now.

Thanks for being first in pointing this out and saving me the trouble!

Let the lawsuits begin!

 

[evince]

The disaster in Ohio didn't start until the federal retards on the scene decided that the best way to deal with the derailment was to create the equivalent of a gigantic burn pit and burn off all the bad stuff that was on the train.

As for what you are talking about, that was a bipartisan effort to kill that legislation. Also, that was years ago, and if the Democrats alone thought it worthwhile, they could have brought it up with Biden for a second go-around. But, they didn't.

In any case, the issue isn't so much the derailment. Those happen pretty regularly. Instead, it was the response afterwards that was the problem. The train cars weren't presenting an environmental disaster covering miles around the accident until idiots at the EPA, probably FEMA, DoT, and other agencies decided to turn it into the world's largest chemical burn pit. This is what you get putting your trust into 'government experts' who are anything but experts.

Remember, the same bunch of retards at the EPA caused the Gold King Mine disaster poisoning an entire watershed and several rivers with toxic sludge and heavy metals.

You can also bet that the government won't hold themselves accountable or libel for this. Instead, they'll blame the railroad company for their failure.

As for this:



I hope you rot in Hell for your hatred of innocent people fucked over by the government.

DEREGULATION CAUSED THIS YOU SHITTY RUSSIAN BOT HOLE!

 

[evince]

No, without republicans that train would have had electronic brakes and we would not be having this conversation. Those people were not fucked over by govt, it was republicans.

Republicans deregulations always cause disasters


It’s happen all my life