Lowest unemployment since the moon landing.

[zymurgy]

NOW...you weren't discussing those earlier.

You only started talking about gross dollars when you realized the %/GDP metric didn't help your argument.

wow you are a retard. I only cared about dollars - as that is what you claimed went down

this is the article I posted - https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_spending

in 2022 the spending per gdp is 7.1 - so even your idiot claims are lies and bullshit

7.1 is higher than anytime in the 60s or 70's

 

[zymurgy]

YOU SAID it went down in the data you gave me.

no my data shows it going up

the problem is you have to multiply the GDP amount for a given year by the rate to get total spending - and math is hard for you

 

[LV426]

I am not running away from a thing.

You ran away from the %-to-GDP metric you provided.

You ran away from the dissonance of your personal feelings vs. empirical data.

You ran away from the charts that show higher personal savings when there's higher taxes.

You're just a coward.

In the mid 1950s education spending began a rapid increase, from a low of 2.6 percent in 1953. Education spending peaked at 5.7 percent in 1976

Isn't that what I said so many times that you disagreed with?????

In 2022 education spending was 7.1 percent GDP.

But in 2021 it was 5.5% and in 2023 it's 5.6%.

So that 7.1 is out of context, and isn't indicative of a pattern because the two years around it have lower rates.

It's also not 2022 anymore.

 

[LV426]

spending is up. we are not cutting spending . that is a lie

In terms of gross dollars, maybe.

But that doesn't tell us anything because it's a figure that exists in a vacuum.

It's also the lowest possible standard.

 

[LV426]

I did not say that.

So then if tax cuts do not increase the personal savings rate, then why do you support them?

 

[LV426]

I said I will take home more money if you cut taxes.

Take home...to what end?

it is axiomatic moron

So if you're not cutting taxes in order to "incentivize" saving, then why are you cutting them?

 

[zymurgy]

In terms of gross dollars, maybe.

But that doesn't tell us anything because it's a figure that exists in a vacuum.

It's also the lowest possible standard.

even in GDP - which is not what the argument is

7.1 is higher than the rate in the 60's or 70's

you have to read words though tardo. pretty pictures won't be as useful

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/education_spending

 

[LV426]

for my savings to deplete, it is not because I took more money home, it is because I spent more then I took home.

Because the cost of things like tuition and health care have gone up for those who rely on assistance for those things, of which there are hundreds of millions of people.

All the data shows that when taxes are cut, personal savings decline.

You can't seem to reconcile that, and every time you are confronted on it, you run away and avoid it like the little bitchass you are.

 

[LV426]

The data I proved shows conclusively that it skyrocketed

Yeah, back when I said it did...up until the 1970's...and then you usurped that like you came up with it yourself, and it wasn't something I said half a dozen times before.

Typical loser behavior.

 

[LV426]

from 2k per child in 1960 to 20k per child in 2020

Is the reason you've lowered your standards to gross numbers because your argument can't stand to the scrutiny of higher standards?

 

[zymurgy]

Because the cost of things like tuition and health care have gone up for those who rely on assistance for those things, of which there are hundreds of millions of people.

now we are getting somewhere. yes costs have gone up.

But not because government spends less. We know for a fact spending has went way up.

 

[zymurgy]

Is the reason you've lowered your standards to gross numbers because your argument can't stand to the scrutiny of higher standards?

my standards are the same. spending went up. that is my argument. even adjusted for inflation, spending goes up

you said it went down - and I proved otherwise

 

[LV426]

wow you are a retard. I only cared about dollars

No you didn't, STOP LYING TO ME.

You don't need to cover your ass with me because I already think so lowly of you.

If you cared about gross dollars, then why don't you care about the deficits that tax cuts create IN REAL GROSS DOLLARS?

Because just like the personal savings rate, the deficit is also negatively affected by tax cuts.

So you are getting all mad about some weird number you invented ($20K per student) but you're not mad at the $2Tg ross dollars hole Trump blew into the budget with his tax cuts 5 years ago.

 

[LV426]

in 2022 the spending per gdp is 7.1 - so even your idiot claims are lies and bullshit

In 2021, the spending per GDP was 5.5, and in 2023 the spending per GDP is 5.6.

 

[LV426]

no my data shows it going up

Not as a percentage of GDP.

Education spending for 2023, which was already devised in last year's budget, is 5.6% of GDP.

So 2022 is looking like an outlier, isn't it?

 

[zymurgy]

In 2021, the spending per GDP was 5.5, and in 2023 the spending per GDP is 5.6.

From our link -
in the mid 1950s education spending began a rapid increase, from a low of 2.6 percent in 1953. Education spending peaked at 5.7 percent in 1976 before declining for the next decade to 4.7 percent of GDP in 1984.

In the mid 1980s education spending began to increase again. It flatlined at about 5.3 percent of GDP in the 1990s, but resumed its growth in the 2000s, reaching 6.1 percent in 2010 before declining to 5.6 percent GDP in 2015.

In 2022 education spending was 7.1 percent GDP.

 

[LV426]

the problem is you have to multiply the GDP amount for a given year by the rate to get total spending - and math is hard for you

All you're doing here is telling everyone that the only means by which you can make an argument is if you reduce the standards of your argument to the lowest possible level.

 

[LV426]

even in GDP - which is not what the argument is

7.1 is higher than the rate in the 60's or 70's

7.1 was for just 2022...what's the rate for 2023? Oh, it's 5.6, which is exactly what it was back in the 1970's, when the top tax rate was 90% and personal savings reached their highest levels ever.

So if you want to create the conditions that produced the high savings rates of the 1970's, if you are being honest in what you want, then you have to raise taxes and bring education spending rates to the 70's levels.

 

[zymurgy]

7.1 was for just 2022...what's the rate for 2023? Oh, it's 5.6, which is exactly what it was back in the 1970's, when the top tax rate was 90% and personal savings reached their highest levels ever.

So if you want to create the conditions that produced the high savings rates of the 1970's, if you are being honest in what you want, then you have to raise taxes and bring education spending rates to the 70's levels.

but we are back to showing you how 5.6% of trillions is way more then 5.7% of billions

so overall spending is still up - in contrast to your initial lie

and 2023 has not actually completed. so cart and horse there!

 

[LV426]

now we are getting somewhere. yes costs have gone up.

Costs have gone up because state funding has gone down.

Like I showed you very graciously earlier when the KS State University Board of Regents had to up their tuition in 2014 because of funding cuts due to the deficits the tax cut created.

Report: Kansas higher education cuts among longest-lasting
Last year the Legislature approved two years of consecutive 1.5 percent cuts to the Kansas Board of Regents schools’ operating budgets and further cuts in the form of a "salary cap."
https://www.cjonline.com/story/news...ation-cuts-among-longest-lasting/16670960007/