If the only ideas shared are the values that one party agrees to, it is indoctrination. I get that you want it to happen because they are your ideas you want shared, but the voters in your state disagreed and wanted a change.
Florida teachers have to hide books!
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If the only ideas shared are the values that one party agrees to, it is indoctrination. I get that you want it to happen because they are your ideas you want shared, but the voters in your state disagreed and wanted a change.
No, the sharing of ideas requires the status quo to be challenged, but it does not mean that the new idea is correct or valid, it simply allows the person exposed to it to make up her own mind.
I want ideas from any party to be shared, or religion, or sexuality... and on and on...
The government should not decide what ideas should not be shared in public school.
However, we know that, according to floridafan, that Florida has not done well educating children, the folks in your state have decided that a change is necessary to stop that recession. They begin by returning teachers focus to the fundamentals and away from the values you want handed to them.
What "fundamentals"?
Nothing DeSantis has done to education has anything to do with "fundamentals".
"Fundamentals" is just vague and ambiguous and meant to be a catch-all term for the subjects Conservatives think kids should only learn.
But since Conservatives are all fucking idiots, they can't even begin to explain what they mean.
So...what ideas of AP African American history are only shared by one party?
What are you TALKING about?
I am talking about the subject of the OP. You are trying to shotgun nonsense into it. This isn't about AP African American History, this is about classroom libraries and Jarod's use of "have to" when "choose to" is the correct word usage.
In this case some teachers, especially in the younger classrooms, are shutting down access to books they make available in the classroom because they want to make a political point and their political agenda is more important to them than the children. Jarod is more than happy to spread BS around, but you, just swing in and talk about something that has nothing to do with the topic of the thread and pretend you made a point.
In the past I have written a standard response for you and your posts. I may have to find it and polish the ctrl+c keys again.
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No school involves children in anything that is not age appropriate. To say so is just an excuse.
There is a reason why Florida schools and most of those in the South rank very low in education.
That's not what you said.
What you said was that "ideas" are only being shared by one party, and when asked what "ideas", you choked.
So you ran your big mouth, and now you're trying to cover for it.
You're not very good at posting on the internet.
Nope.
Here's what you said:
So what ideas shared in AP African American Studies are "values" that only one party agrees to?
It's a fairly simple question that forces you to show your work.
But instead of showing your work, you bullshit me.
I do not care about any of that bullshit because you said it to cover for your big mouth.
So what "ideas" were being "indoctrinated" by AP African American Studies?
This is what I am talking about. You cannot keep to topic, and when something is explained to you, you cannot absorb the information. You then rinse and repeat the responses as if you had made a salient point. You are disingenuous and incapable of comprehension. You are the child in the classroom upset and indignant that the teacher will not explain to you again that 5 plus 5 is 10 but 5 times 5 is 25, because you KNOW that 7 plus 7 is 12!
I will find that prewritten response I had for you so I can use it again. It seems that you still have not learned. Every once in a while I mistakenly to engage you in an attempt at conversation, every time you prove incapable of the simplest exchange.
What is happening is that you're trying to bullshit me, and I'm not indulging you.
I'm on topic here because I'm quoting your posts directly.
If you don't like that, then maybe the internet isn't the place for you.
I made such a salient point that you had to come up with an excuse to not engage it.
Because that's all you're doing here, making excuses for not being able to produce this "idea" that is supposedly indoctrination within an AP African American History course.
You haven't shared a single "idea" that you think is indoctrination because you can't find one!
Thing is, in this scenario, the teacher would be insisting 5 + 5 = Apple.
Because your posts make about as much sense.
Well-written post.You are right. From us Boomers down to yours, we all did learn some of the darker side of America's history. That's because of "liberals" and everyone else who wants accuracy in knowledge. But what FL is trying to do is forbid the teaching of history that causes some white kid to feel guilty and hurt his feelz. BTW, this law also forbids private companies from having any policies or rules that might make someone feel guilty and hurt his feelz. The law, of course, does not specify which race(s) it pertains to, so that RWers can proudly claim: "It's to protect children of color!" I think we all know who it was written to protect.
You are right. From us Boomers down to yours, we all did learn some of the darker side of America's history. That's because of "liberals" and everyone else who wants accuracy in knowledge. But what FL is trying to do is forbid the teaching of history that causes some white kid to feel guilty and hurt his feelz. BTW, this law also forbids private companies from having any policies or rules that might make someone feel guilty and hurt his feelz. The law, of course, does not specify which race(s) it pertains to, so that RWers can proudly claim: "It's to protect children of color!" I think we all know who it was written to protect.
It honestly doesn't matter who it was written to protect, placing guilt onto anyone is, quite literally, a value, based on an evaluation of what you perceive and who should feel the guilt. Those folks don't want children, none of whom had anything to do with such decisions, to pay for the sins of others and they believe that there is no justice in such an activity. Teach the facts, let the evaluation come from within or from the sources that teach values... their parents, their chosen Faith possibly, etc.
While you (and possibly I) may not like that they are allowed to believe differently about things than we may think they should, and may teach different values than you (or possibly I) want them to teach, it is still not the schools' place to teach such things.
I would be equally upset if the teacher was trying to teach them how Geebus was going to send them to Gehenna to visit their unbelieving ancestors because "prayer"and that "Intelligent Design" is a science class, as I would be to have those same children taught that men twerking in revealing pushup bras is "family friendly" or that the white kid next to me was "guilty" of something that happened 3 generations ago. Those are values, and not one teacher in any school is qualified to teach their own values in lieu of the parents' values. You don't get to fill them with a belief system you (and probably I) believe because you (and likely me) think they are wrong.
That was not a part of the governors platform. When he ran, this did not come from the people, it is a attempt at a culture war, to get his name in the national press.
We do have Here in Florida regarding education, but we pay our teachers very poorly, and their retirement is ridiculous. More of the same from Republicans is not going to make it any better. Using our schools as a culture war is not going to make it any better.
You think DeSantis didn't run on Parental Rights in Education? I think you are rewriting your own memory now.
There is no evidence that I have ever seen that says that a white kid learning that some white ppl 200 years ago captured, transported, and enslaved black ppl from another land causes psychiatrically-treatable feelings of shame and guilt. If it does -- too bad. Guilt is the sense we were given to avoid doing something bad in the future. We children of Xtian parents were raised with plenty of guilt. We did not die from it. No school kid learning about slavery, or smallpox blankets, or Nazi atrocities, or what Japan did to China and Korea should forget that we humans can be pretty shitty. So let's not repeat our ancestors' evil. This is how civilization progresses.
I understand your example about religion, but this has nothing to do with that. Encouraging diversity is not a religion.
This has nothing to do with politics or "belief systems." This has to do with a particular fascist-leaning governor with a sympathetic RW legislature trying to protect the status quo, to keep real history from being taught, to force corporations to stop requiring employees to respect a diverse workplace and those who share it.