DOJ reviewing classified documents found at Joe Biden's private office

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Well, when the documents were discovered, did Biden or anyone in his administration REFUSE to turn them over to the proper authorities?

Nope.

Was it the current administration or investigations by other agencies within Washington that discover the error. Answer: current Administration.

Big differences, but MAGA minions will ignore this in favor of the myopic drum beat by the likes of constipated looking Tucker Carlson.

Pew-pew-pew, indeed!



Was Biden protected by the Presidential records act? Nope. Biden STOLE those documents that office never even had a SCIF.

Your first sentence is irrelevant, as NEITHER Biden or Dump had such "protection". The POINT is that when the material was discovered in a locked box in Biden's think tank repository, IMMEDIATE steps were taken by PROPER OFFICIAL CHANNELS BY BIDEN AND HIS ADMINISTRATION.

Dump took similar material TO HIS PRIVATE RESIDENCE. When discovered, HE REFUSED NUMEROUS REQUESTS FOR MONTHS BY THE DOJ TO TURN OVER SAID RECORDS.

A matter of fact, a matter of history.

Had Dump just said, "oops, my bad" and immediately turned over the records, it would have been nothing more than a minor news blurb for a day. But his sleazy nature and his legal sycophants are incapable of such honesty and integrity.

Deal with it. Pew-pew-pew!
 
So Biden stole vital state secrets on the UK , Iran and Ukraine. He had ZERO rights to those documents. Biden should be impeached immediately. Another weird thing is he had lawyers moving him out of the office instead of a moving company. Who does that? May since these things were found before the midterm so maybe they were just trying to get ahead of this because they knew the Republicans were taking over the house.
 
Yes and Trump is covered by the Presidential Records Act but VP Biden was not.

Get educated about a subject before you parrot MAGA talking points. Observe and learn:


The Presidential Records Act and the Mar-a-Lago Documents


The PRA says that “upon the conclusion of a President’s term of office, … the Archivist … shall assume responsibility for the custody, control, and preservation of, and access to, the Presidential records of that President.” More importantly, it says that the United States “shall reserve and retain complete ownership, possession, and control of Presidential records.” The PRA also says that the archivist “shall deposit all such Presidential records in a Presidential archival depository or another archival facility operated by the United States” (emphasis added).

The PRA thus makes clear that only the United States (and not former President Trump) owns and is authorized to possess and control the presidential documents. And it specifies that the archivist assumes “responsibility for the custody [and] control” of presidential records at the end of a presidential term, and must deposit them in an archival facility operated by the United States. The PRA gives a former president certain rights to access and limit access to the documents in the possession of the United States, but it rules out the possibility of a former president possessing presidential records after his presidential term.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/presidential-records-act-and-mar-lago-documents
 
It was a crime to take them in the first place...that's when the law was broke

Ahh, but in both cases you would have to prove intent, don't cha know.

Dump's problem isn't about intent, but his REFUSAL AND OBFUSCATION of the procedure to properly return the material to the DOJ that has him in hot water.

There is no proof of intent, nor any evidence of refusal or obfuscation on Biden's part.

Deal with it.
 
Ahh, but in both cases you would have to prove intent, don't cha know.

Dump's problem isn't about intent, but his REFUSAL AND OBFUSCATION of the procedure to properly return the material to the DOJ that has him in hot water.

There is no proof of intent, nor any evidence of refusal or obfuscation on Biden's part.

Deal with it.

Total bullshit.
 
So Biden stole vital state secrets on the UK , Iran and Ukraine. He had ZERO rights to those documents. Biden should be impeached immediately. Another weird thing is he had lawyers moving him out of the office instead of a moving company. Who does that? May since these things were found before the midterm so maybe they were just trying to get ahead of this because they knew the Republicans were taking over the house.

You keep repeating these accusations, speculations, suppositions and conjectures....doesn't make them accurate or even conclusive. But in true MAGA form, you'll keep repeating them ad nausea in hopes that they will appear to be valid and factual.l

"pew-pew-pew" indeed! :rolleyes:
 
I never claimed to be an expert on the subject...I just follow ALL the fact based, well documented information available and logically conclude from that. Your myopic propaganda drivel is akin to a child covering his ears and yelling his talking point ad nausea....just as I predicted.

If you take classified documents outside a secure area where they are stored, you are committing a crime whether your intention was criminal or reasonable. It's that simple. The President is the ultimate authority on what's classified. While Trump takes that to an extreme, he is more right than wrong. Biden as VP doesn't have the authority to declassify shit. Outside of a President by executive order (verbal or written) declassifying something, the process is this:

The President Executive Order 13526
Classified National Security Information


https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

The VP doesn't have authority to declassify. The Secretary of State doesn't either.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
I never claimed to be an expert on the subject...I just follow ALL the fact based, well documented information available and logically conclude from that. Your myopic propaganda drivel is akin to a child covering his ears and yelling his talking point ad nausea....just as I predicted.


If you take classified documents outside a secure area where they are stored, you are committing a crime whether your intention was criminal or reasonable. It's that simple. The President is the ultimate authority on what's classified. While Trump takes that to an extreme, he is more right than wrong. Biden as VP doesn't have the authority to declassify shit. Outside of a President by executive order (verbal or written) declassifying something, the process is this:

The President Executive Order 13526
Classified National Security Information


https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

The VP doesn't have authority to declassify. The Secretary of State doesn't either.

Please read Post #184.

- If Biden and Dump are guilty, period...then why are the MAGA yahoos throwing all types of BS against the wall to say that he's not? Sorry son, you can't have it both ways. The crime that you accuse Biden of is being examined by the proper authorities with FULL COMPLIANCE by the Biden Administration and the President. Dump REFUSED TO COOPERATE FOR A FULL YEAR and has been stalling and BS'ing since. Big difference.

- Dump DID NOT OFFICIALLY DECLASSIFY THE MATERIAL HE ILLEGALLY HAD IN POSSESSION IN HIS PRIVATE HOME. PERIOD. Biden has not made any silly assed claims of declassification by thought like Dump. The current investigation will determine intent, importance of material, and timeline of events.

- Your link must be taken in conjunction with what is in Post #184. Deal with it.
 
Please read Post #184.

- If Biden and Dump are guilty, period...then why are the MAGA yahoos throwing all types of BS against the wall to say that he's not? Sorry son, you can't have it both ways. The crime that you accuse Biden of is being examined by the proper authorities with FULL COMPLIANCE by the Biden Administration and the President. Dump REFUSED TO COOPERATE FOR A FULL YEAR and has been stalling and BS'ing since. Big difference.

- Dump DID NOT OFFICIALLY DECLASSIFY THE MATERIAL HE ILLEGALLY HAD IN POSSESSION IN HIS PRIVATE HOME. PERIOD. Biden has not made any silly assed claims of declassification by thought like Dump. The current investigation will determine intent, importance of material, and timeline of events.

- Your link must be taken in conjunction with what is in Post #184. Deal with it.

Trump has at least a credible argument. He was President when he took those documents and could declassify them by edict or whim. Let the courts decide that.

Biden on the other hand, took those documents when he had no authority to declassify shit making him criminally libel for mishandling them.

There's the difference in a nutshell.
 
Trump has at least a credible argument. He was President when he took those documents and could declassify them by edict or whim. Let the courts decide that.

Biden on the other hand, took those documents when he had no authority to declassify shit making him criminally libel for mishandling them.

There's the difference in a nutshell.

And the docs were related to Ukraine and China


Biden Center at UPenn Received $54.6M from Anonymous Chinese Donations

Hmnnn. This story is getting more interesting
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Please read Post #184.

- If Biden and Dump are guilty, period...then why are the MAGA yahoos throwing all types of BS against the wall to say that he's not? Sorry son, you can't have it both ways. The crime that you accuse Biden of is being examined by the proper authorities with FULL COMPLIANCE by the Biden Administration and the President. Dump REFUSED TO COOPERATE FOR A FULL YEAR and has been stalling and BS'ing since. Big difference.

- Dump DID NOT OFFICIALLY DECLASSIFY THE MATERIAL HE ILLEGALLY HAD IN POSSESSION IN HIS PRIVATE HOME. PERIOD. Biden has not made any silly assed claims of declassification by thought like Dump. The current investigation will determine intent, importance of material, and timeline of events.

- Your link must be taken in conjunction with what is in Post #184. Deal with it.



Trump has at least a credible argument. He was President when he took those documents and could declassify them by edict or whim. Let the courts decide that.

Biden on the other hand, took those documents when he had no authority to declassify shit making him criminally libel for mishandling them.

There's the difference in a nutshell.

Puh-leeze! :rolleyes:

Only MAGA minions believe that Dump has a "credible argument". Recent history proves otherwise, which is why the Orange Oaf is being thoroughly investigated. One would have to be either drunk or stupid to think that refusing to comply with official requests from the DOJ for classified documents YOU ARE NOT TO HAVE IN YOUR PRIVATE RESIDENCE lends to any credibility. Mental flatulence does not equal official documentation of declassification. That is a matter of historical, legal fact.

A Timeline of Trump’s False and Misleading Statements on the Mar-a-Lago Search


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/technology/trump-search-misinfo-timeline.html


There are clear distinctions between Trump and Biden’s two cases

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/biden-classified-documents-trump-garland/index.html
 
Attorney General Merrick Garland has assigned the U.S. attorney in Chicago to review classified documents found at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement in Washington, two sources with knowledge of the inquiry told CBS News. The roughly 10 documents are from President Biden's vice-presidential office at the center, the sources said. CBS News has learned the FBI is also involved in the U.S. attorney's inquiry.

The classified material was identified by personal attorneys for Mr. Biden on Nov. 2, just before the midterm elections, Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president confirmed. The documents were discovered when Mr. Biden's personal attorneys "were packing files housed in a locked closet to prepare to vacate office space at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C.," Sauber said in a statement to CBS News. The documents were contained in a folder that was in a box with other unclassified papers, the sources said. The sources revealed neither what the classified documents contain nor their level of classification. A source familiar told CBS News the documents did not contain nuclear secrets.

Sauber also said that on the same day the material was discovered, Nov. 2, the White House counsel's office notified the National Archives, which took possession of the materials the following morning.

"The discovery of these documents was made by the President's attorneys," Sauber said. "The documents were not the subject of any previous request or inquiry by the Archives. Since that discovery, the President's personal attorneys have cooperated with the Archives and the Department of Justice in a process to ensure that any Obama-Biden Administration records are appropriately in the possession of the Archives."

A source familiar with the matter said representatives from the National Archives then notified the Justice Department.

Garland assigned U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Illinois John Lausch to find out how the classified material ended up at the Penn Biden Center. The review is considered a preliminary step, and the attorney general will determine whether further investigation is necessary, including potentially appointing a special counsel.

Lausch was nominated to be U.S. attorney by former President Donald Trump, and he is one of only two current Trump-era U.S. attorneys still serving. The other is Delaware U.S. Attorney David Weiss, who is leading an investigation into the president's son, Hunter Biden.

Lausch recently briefed the attorney general and will eventually submit a final report to Garland. The review is expected to conclude soon.

The Penn Biden Center is a think tank about a mile from the White House, in Washington, D.C., that is affiliated with the University of Pennsylvania and named for the sitting president.

The Presidential Records Act requires all presidential and vice-presidential documents be turned over to the National Archives. There are special protocols to keep classified information secure.

President Biden learned about the presence of the classified documents when his lawyer reported them to the White House counsel's office in November. A source familiar said the president is unaware of their contents. The documents are believed to be currently held in a secure location in Washington.

Lauch's review will examine, in part, how the documents got from Mr. Biden's vice-presidential office to the Penn Biden Center.

In September, President Biden appeared on "60 Minutes" and was asked for his reaction to a photo showing the documents recovered at Mar-a-Lago. "How that could possibly happen? How anyone could be that irresponsible," the president said. "And it just — totally irresponsible."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-center-classified-documents/

The DOJ right now is so corrupt. :palm: Hopefully these new house committees clean some of that crap up.
 
"In September, President Biden appeared on "60 Minutes" and was asked for his reaction to a photo showing the documents recovered at Mar-a-Lago. "How that could possibly happen? How anyone could be that irresponsible," the president said. "And it just — totally irresponsible."


Irresponsible for thee but not for me.
 
The hypocrisy with this is patently unimaginable.

Biden was VP. He had no right to declassify any classified materials.

Yet he did. And he did so with Chinese involvement in the building in which they were stored!

They were unguarded, exposed to anyone who wanted to get to them.

Trump was the president. He had the ability and right to de-classify any document he wanted.

Trump's documents were under lock and key, under guard by the Secret Service.

Did they raid Biden's properties? No.

Will they? No.

Let that sink in.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top